All things considered...

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, bluto said:

$350k Delta, approximately (assuming you have to eat $250k and were going to pay a total of $600k).

Can you adequately replace Zach for $350k?

We sure as hell can find someone who could play as well as Collaros did in the Cup game for that money.

[wbbfan]

4 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

https://3downnation.com/2022/10/18/top-up-the-cfl-mop-blue-bombers-qb-zach-collaros-earns-raise-with-three-year-1-8-million-contract-extension/

 

Thanks. Is that before the renegotiation of his deal? Idk how that might’ve shifted his numbers around if not. But it’s a lot better than 600k with 350-450k guaranteed that I thought he had. 

5 minutes ago, Tracker said:

We sure as hell can find someone who could play as well as Collaros did in the Cup game for that money.

We could find that for 6 bucks or 3 Burger King coupons. 

[bigg jay]

3 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Thanks. Is that before the renegotiation of his deal? Idk how that might’ve shifted his numbers around if not. But it’s a lot better than 600k with 350-450k guaranteed that I thought he had. 

He restructured his old deal in 2021 and signed this deal in 2022.  I don't think there's been any other changes since - at least none a quick search turns up.

[TBURGESS]

44 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Our OL has not been good since 2022, especially in pass protection.

It's still better than BC's.

[Tracker]

6 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

It's still better than BC's.

And better than the Riders' O-line but that is cold comfort. 

[17to85]

8 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

It's still better than BC's.

There were periods that I'm not sure it was... see 2nd regular season game vs. Toronto as an example... 

This OL is still living off 2021 reputation, but the interior was Hella weak mostnofnthe season

[SpeedFlex27]

15 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:

Risky business, which younger QB do you think could step in and knock off a 12-14 win season?

Adams easily could but he's expensive, I also like the young qb from Montreal & I like Powell from Hamilton. 

[TBURGESS]

6 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Adams easily could but he's expensive, I also like the young qb from Montreal & I like Powell from Hamilton. 

If you think Adams is expensive, what do you think of Collaros' contract?

[Booch]

Just now, TBURGESS said:

If you think Adams is expensive, what do you think of Collaros' contract?

dead weight...anchor...albotross....nightmare?....

The Vaj I bet would do great here....with BO...his ability to move...2 guys like Lawler and Schoen....Likely a guy or 2 who would follow him here....I'd roll with Vaj as Wilson is groomed...he looks way more advanced and a much better skill set than Brown had/showed after his rookie yr.

People like to dump on VAJ but from what I have heard with talking to players...guys love him...he's team first and not a locker room cancer....if anything the opposite....Some guys have said he can get a little too emotional, but it's cause he cares

 

 

[bigg jay]

27 minutes ago, Booch said:

dead weight...anchor...albotross....nightmare?....

The Vaj I bet would do great here....with BO...his ability to move...2 guys like Lawler and Schoen....Likely a guy or 2 who would follow him here....I'd roll with Vaj as Wilson is groomed...he looks way more advanced and a much better skill set than Brown had/showed after his rookie yr.

People like to dump on VAJ but from what I have heard with talking to players...guys love him...he's team first and not a locker room cancer....if anything the opposite....Some guys have said he can get a little too emotional, but it's cause he cares

I'd be OK going forward with VAJ, I just don't see how he lands here without him and/or Zach being willing to redo their deals.  Both guys have guarantees (ZC in 2025 & VAJ in 2026) & we wouldn't be able to afford VAJ next year if we have to eat Zach's guarantee next year without sacrificing in other areas.  

[Brandon]

Anyone think that Calgary would be willing to trade for Zach?   

That's the only way I can see them getting VAJ?  

Otherwise maybe Edmonton cuts MBT and they would go for him?

[Noeller]

Are we so far gone that VAJ seems like a viable option?? C'mon fellas it's not THAT bad.....

[bluto]

6 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Are we so far gone that VAJ seems like a viable option?? C'mon fellas it's not THAT bad.....

As a player, he is considerably more than merely viable.

It's his guaranteed $500k next year that isn't. Neither for you, nor for BC.

[Booch]

31 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Anyone think that Calgary would be willing to trade for Zach?   

That's the only way I can see them getting VAJ?  

Otherwise maybe Edmonton cuts MBT and they would go for him?

i was gonna say...some kind f 3 way deal where we swap VAJ and ZC

[bigg jay]

27 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Are we so far gone that VAJ seems like a viable option?? C'mon fellas it's not THAT bad.....

There are very few (if any) elite options available and it's not like we're talking FAJ here.   I would say VAJ is the best available right now (Davis or Powell could be down the road but haven't proven it yet).

[Super Duper Negatron]

33 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Are we so far gone that VAJ seems like a viable option?? C'mon fellas it's not THAT bad.....

Zach is clearly on a downward trajectory and that isn't even considering Grey Cup performance. I think we need to consider every option.

[Mike]

45 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Are we so far gone that VAJ seems like a viable option?? C'mon fellas it's not THAT bad.....

What’s wrong with Adams? Seriously 

[TBURGESS]

1 minute ago, Mike said:

What’s wrong with Adams? Seriously 

He's not one of us. 

[Dr Zaius]

O'shea will never be willing to move on from Collaros. It is what it is. They should re-structure his contract though. He's not worth 600k today. 

[Noeller]

VAJ is poor man's Burris. He seems like a whiner with an ego who puts himself first. Honestly I'd rather have Trevor Harris and that is REALLY saying something.... Cause I don't want him either. Maybe that Alexander kid from Montreal.... And obviously Brown would be my first choice. 

Edited November 19 by Noeller

[CodyT]

On 2024-11-18 at 10:18 AM, TBURGESS said:

If we cut Zac (we won't) we pay him $250K. If we keep him we pay him $600K. The question is... is it worth the sunk $250K to move on from Collaros and go to a younger QB? I'd say it is, but I totally understand folks who say it isn't. 

I'd say it's a big gamble to move on from him with a GC host year. He's our guy.

Nobody else out there that puts in a better position, IMO

We'd be get used to the idea of one more all in year and then expect a step back for a few years

[Super Duper Negatron]

12 minutes ago, CodyT said:

I'd say it's a big gamble to move on from him with a GC host year. He's our guy.

Nobody else out there that puts in a better position, IMO

We'd be get used to the idea of one more all in year and then expect a step back for a few years

Losing the Grey Cup at home would be tight.

[TBURGESS]

12 minutes ago, CodyT said:

I'd say it's a big gamble to move on from him with a GC host year. He's our guy.

Nobody else out there that puts in a better position, IMO

We'd be get used to the idea of one more all in year and then expect a step back for a few years

I'd say it's an equally big gamble to stick with Collaros considering he's been on a downward trajectory for a couple of years now. 

[voodoochylde]

On 2024-11-18 at 12:42 PM, TBURGESS said:

I don't think that Collaros will knock off a 12-14 win season next year, so that's not the bar I'd worry about. 

VAJ is the best available QB, behind our O line, he could be amazing.

Ford can make every throw and can run like the wind. He'd be my 2nd choice.

Alexander showed great promise, but he's got very few reps. Not ready for the starting QB job, but would be a great #2 for either of the above QB's.

BTW: Do you think that any team would trade for Collaros and his overly large contract. 

Ford is erratic at best and I wouldn't trust him to hit the broad side of a barn with any regularity let alone be willing to hand him the keys to what has been a model franchise the last half decade.

[Super Duper Negatron]

Don't get me wrong. I love making fun of VAJ, I think he is a bit of a wiener and one of those over the top fake "good guys", and I would be the first to turn on him if things didn't work out.

But if I had to put money on who will have a better season at QB next year between him and Zach I don't think its going to be close.