All things considered...

[HardCoreBlue]

Knowing it probably won't be a factor for next season, stick with Wilson, develop him as our future #1 QB down the road?

[CodyT]

2 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

I'd say it's an equally big gamble to stick with Collaros considering he's been on a downward trajectory for a couple of years now. 

Have we given up on the possibility of Strev being the next in line.

I think we did not get an accurate indication on what he could do with a capable oc 

I'd rather run with a one two punch, or possibly bo Levi as a place holder than vaj 

That being said. This is all moot. Zach ain't going anywhere and I am not sure I'd advocate for it anyway

[BBlink]

Zach has proven that he can put up a lot of numbers when the defenses aren't up to the task. Things tighten up in Grey Cup and he has thus far not been able to execute. He has always been the best when we can run a balanced attack.

We can win Grey Cups with him but we need a much better supporting cast. And that could include a coaching change.

[Fatty Liver]

12 minutes ago, Noeller said:

VAJ is poor man's Burris. He seems like a whiner with an ego who puts himself first. Honestly I'd rather have Trevor Harris and that is REALLY saying something.... Cause I don't want him either. Maybe that Alexander kid from Montreal.... And obviously Brown would be my first choice. 

Bingo, the longer he talks the more he whines, he starts freely emoting after 4:00 saying all sorts of **** that should never be said....I could see Darren Cameron cutting off his mic. and telling all gathered "go home, this **** show is over". 

 

[Fatty Liver]

13 minutes ago, CodyT said:

Have we given up on the possibility of Strev being the next in line.

I think we did not get an accurate indication on what he could do with a capable oc 

I'd rather run with a one two punch, or possibly bo Levi as a place holder than vaj 

That being said. This is all moot. Zach ain't going anywhere and I am not sure I'd advocate for it anyway

Yes, by UNANIMOUS decision. 😉

[Booch]

52 minutes ago, Mike said:

What’s wrong with Adams? Seriously 

Sweet fack all...I'd take him here in a heartbeat

1 hour ago, bigg jay said:

There are very few (if any) elite options available and it's not like we're talking FAJ here.   I would say VAJ is the best available right now (Davis or Powell could be down the road but haven't proven it yet).

If we were to go with a total unknown wild card...I'd just go with Wilson...On the cheap entry level deal....and load him with elite pieces...best way to learn and earn is being dropped right into it...he's got a yr under his belt and all off-season to prepare...and all camp.....and even if it a slow start to season...it's where u are at end....old...aging vets has shown to not be the way post 2021

 

39 minutes ago, Dr Zaius said:

O'shea will never be willing to move on from Collaros. It is what it is. They should re-structure his contract though. He's not worth 600k today. 

easy fix...his Boss's...aka Miller and Walters can take the option right out of his hands....and yes they are the bosses....not Osh

 

31 minutes ago, Noeller said:

VAJ is poor man's Burris. He seems like a whiner with an ego who puts himself first. Honestly I'd rather have Trevor Harris and that is REALLY saying something.... Cause I don't want him either. Maybe that Alexander kid from Montreal.... And obviously Brown would be my first choice. 

sorry if I offend you....but I know for certain he is not a whiner...or has an ego.....fake news

 

19 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Losing the Grey Cup at home would be tight.

gotta get there first..we stand pat and do the usual....next yr we wont.....we were lucky this yr

 

18 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

I'd say it's an equally big gamble to stick with Collaros considering he's been on a downward trajectory for a couple of years now. 

i'd say...its a bigger gable actually....and it also puts you further behind for 2026...we still have a solid core (if the right guys are back) brought in some real good new guys....rolling with the Vaj or a younger lesser known...on cheaper deal...with talent around them....is the better forward looking way....and we should be looking forward...not backward...Look at the ast 3 grey cup winning QB's...MBT/Sexpest/....The Faj.....Arbuckle....the right talent around them...and A+ coaching and prep.....they won....no reason we can't with someone else not named Zach

[wbbfan]

2 hours ago, Brandon said:

Anyone think that Calgary would be willing to trade for Zach?   

That's the only way I can see them getting VAJ?  

Otherwise maybe Edmonton cuts MBT and they would go for him?

I mean we duped them into khari back in the day lol. I legit think once Alexander is off the market and vaj too that you could trade any former all star qb. BLM was traded and he was as bad as zach. 
 

32 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Don't get me wrong. I love making fun of VAJ, I think he is a bit of a wiener and one of those over the top fake "good guys", and I would be the first to turn on him if things didn't work out.

But if I had to put money on who will have a better season at QB next year between him and Zach I don't think its going to be close.

agree. And I don’t like how turn over prone he is. 

[Dascow]

Food for thought

Zach Collaros for the Bombers by the numbers (Playoff edition):

Total Playoffs

178 / 265 = 67%,       2357 YDS (11 games / 214 avg.)     10 TD, 12 INT

Total Grey Cup

86 / 131 = 66%,         1031 YDS (5 games / 206 avg.)     2 TD, 8 INT

5 out of 11 playoff games 0 TDs.

4 out of 5 Grey Cup games 0 TDs.

Also keep in mind that Zach had 4 TDs in the most recent West Final vs Sask.

(I compiled these numbers myself, so feel free to scrutinize them and pick out possible errors.)  

[CodyT]

Good point, booch...

The last 3 qb weren't world beaters..

[SpeedFlex27]

3 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

If you think Adams is expensive, what do you think of Collaros' contract?

Assuming we trade Collaros. Then on the hook for half... If we want to make a change we'll have to accept that. 

50 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I mean we duped them into khari back in the day lol. I legit think once Alexander is off the market and vaj too that you could trade any former all star qb. BLM was traded and he was as bad as zach. 
 

agree. And I don’t like how turn over prone he is. 

No, BLM wasn't dumped by the Stamps because of turnovers. Dickenson/Hufnagel thought his shoulder & arm issues cooked his career. At the time, he was having problems with accuracy & one hopping intermediate passes. Maier was actually playing well in relief so they made the move to make Jake the #1 guy. 

[wbbfan]

31 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Assuming we trade Collaros. Then on the hook for half... If we want to make a change we'll have to accept that. 

No, BLM wasn't dumped by the Stamps because of turnovers. Dickenson/Hufnagel thought his shoulder & arm issues cooked his career. At the time, he was having problems with accuracy & one hopping intermediate passes. Maier was actually playing well in relief so they made the move to make Jake the #1 guy. 

Zach isn’t gonna get dumped for turn overs, it’s cus he’s done. Maybe atleast here, and he’s had 1 good play off game. BLM got dumped because he was done. Zachs been throwing hospital balls for a while. 

45 minutes ago, Dascow said:

Food for thought

Zach Collaros for the Bombers by the numbers (Playoff edition):

Total Playoffs

178 / 265 = 67%,       2357 YDS (11 games / 214 avg.)     10 TD, 12 INT

Total Grey Cup

86 / 131 = 66%,         1031 YDS (5 games / 206 avg.)     2 TD, 8 INT

5 out of 11 playoff games 0 TDs.

4 out of 5 Grey Cup games 0 TDs.

Also keep in mind that Zach had 4 TDs in the most recent West Final vs Sask.

(I compiled these numbers myself, so feel free to scrutinize them and pick out possible errors.)  

I did the numbers this time last year and that looks right to me. Take out the west final and it gets even uglier. 

[SpeedFlex27]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Zach isn’t gonna get dumped for turn overs, it’s cus he’s done. Maybe atleast here, and he’s had 1 good play off game. BLM got dumped because he was done. Zachs been throwing hospital balls for a while. 

Is Zach really done or is it coaching & the game plan by Buck? I hope BC hires him as HC so we can find out. 

You know, at this point if Buck left (please!!!), I would hire LaPo back in a heartbeat. I never thought I'd ever say that.

Edited November 19 by SpeedFlex27

[wbbfan]

7 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Is Zach really done or is it coaching & the game plan by Buck? I hope BC hires him as HC so we can find out. 

You know, at this point if Buck left (please!!!), I would hire LaPo back in a heartbeat. I never thought I'd ever say that.

I thought zach was past it last year. I was past his post season performances last year too. He might have a few good games left in him. I would not rest a season on his shoulders again. 
 Buck is the main problem, but zach is toast too. 
 

The cfl offensive systems are soo stagnant Paul would be Better than average. 
 My short list wouldn’t be popular I don’t think. 

[SpeedFlex27]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I thought zach was past it last year. I was past his post season performances last year too. He might have a few good games left in him. I would not rest a season on his shoulders again. 
 Buck is the main problem, but zach is toast too. 
 

The cfl offensive systems are soo stagnant Paul would be Better than average. 
 My short list wouldn’t be popular I don’t think. 

Let's hear it.

 

[Booch]

I dint think going into this yr that ZC is the guy to rely on now...the run of post season games alone is telling

I as well would bring Lapo back..as a straight up coordinator...with just that to focus on...he'd be fine

[wbbfan]

Just now, SpeedFlex27 said:

Let's hear it.

 

I’d hire beau Baldwin to be the oc, away from Calgary. Then if he retires I’d hire masoli to be the qb coach and assist beau. 
 That gives you as much diverse, high end offensive systems experience as you will ever see in the cfl. Masoli, with his experience is able to help Baldwin adjust to play calling in the cfl as well. 
 If Masoli doesn’t retire, it’s khari jones. 
 After beau id have a varied short list with guy like  Brennan Marion, and some other d1 young disciple or divergent types. 
 The idea would be a newer to the cfl co with a vet qb experienced in many systems to support his adjustment. Failing that, it’d be give AC ast hc title, or June jones, and Marc trestman type picks. I’d rather develop the guy and start early in the off season, but failing a blue chip guy id go for a guy who’s been a hc and succeeded. 

1 minute ago, Booch said:

I dint think going into this yr that ZC is the guy to rely on now...the run of post season games alone is telling

I as well would bring Lapo back..as a straight up coordinator...with just that to focus on...he'd be fine

I think with Paul you’d need some one as his qb coach to temper him. Maybe some one to take over calls in the hurry up signalling etc. Paul’s down fail has always been getting in his own way, similar to buck. So I’d want a qb coach who could push him. 

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I’d hire beau Baldwin to be the oc, away from Calgary. Then if he retires I’d hire masoli to be the qb coach and assist beau. 
 That gives you as much diverse, high end offensive systems experience as you will ever see in the cfl. Masoli, with his experience is able to help Baldwin adjust to play calling in the cfl as well. 
 If Masoli doesn’t retire, it’s khari jones. 
 After beau id have a varied short list with guy like  Brennan Marion, and some other d1 young disciple or divergent types. 
 The idea would be a newer to the cfl co with a vet qb experienced in many systems to support his adjustment. Failing that, it’d be give AC ast hc title, or June jones, and Marc trestman type picks. I’d rather develop the guy and start early in the off season, but failing a blue chip guy id go for a guy who’s been a hc and succeeded. 

I think with Paul you’d need some one as his qb coach to temper him. Maybe some one to take over calls in the hurry up signalling etc. Paul’s down fail has always been getting in his own way, similar to buck. So I’d want a qb coach who could push him. 

Was gonna say that...A dedicated qb coach so all lapo does is scheme and create....I do like the Baldwin scenario tho

[17to85]

1 minute ago, Booch said:

I dint think going into this yr that ZC is the guy to rely on now...the run of post season games alone is telling

I as well would bring Lapo back..as a straight up coordinator...with just that to focus on...he'd be fine

Lapo needs a handler to make sure he doesn't just play to not lose or I'm not interested. Also if you're bringing lapo in you can't go with collaros at all. 

Worth noting we made 1 grey cup with lapo as the OC and 4 straight with Pierce. I'll listen to arguments that Pierce has maybe gone stale and we need a change.... but we've been there done that with Lapo so many times I'm not interested in seeing that again.

[Booch]

Just now, 17to85 said:

Lapo needs a handler to make sure he doesn't just play to not lose or I'm not interested. Also if you're bringing lapo in you can't go with collaros at all. 

Worth noting we made 1 grey cup with lapo as the OC and 4 straight with Pierce. I'll listen to arguments that Pierce has maybe gone stale and we need a change.... but we've been there done that with Lapo so many times I'm not interested in seeing that again.

I just don't think Buck meshes well with ZC if whatever game plan they had isn't clicking.

He has no clue what to do or how to use Strev

With Lapo ...give him a hands on QB coach and an offensive quality control assistant...we'd do just fine

[wbbfan]

2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Lapo needs a handler to make sure he doesn't just play to not lose or I'm not interested. Also if you're bringing lapo in you can't go with collaros at all. 

Worth noting we made 1 grey cup with lapo as the OC and 4 straight with Pierce. I'll listen to arguments that Pierce has maybe gone stale and we need a change.... but we've been there done that with Lapo so many times I'm not interested in seeing that again.

With lapo you can’t have zach, or a running qb. You can’t have a qb who is happy to check down either. You need a qb who will push his system and read down field back. 

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

With lapo you can’t have zach, or a running qb. You can’t have a qb who is happy to check down either. You need a qb who will push his system and read down field back. 

The Vaj ....

[wbbfan]

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

The Vaj ....

I worry he’d have vaj running the strevy wildcat. But if not they would complement each other well. Vaj, Paul, with qb coach Khari or Masoli would probably be as good as any team can do this off season. 

[SpeedFlex27]

42 minutes ago, Booch said:

Was gonna say that...A dedicated qb coach so all lapo does is scheme and create....I do like the Baldwin scenario tho

Yeah, never thought of him. he is a qb guru. He developed VA, BLM & Michael Reilly in college. He wasn't OC in Calgary. just a qb coach. It was Pat DelMonaco with Dickenson calling the plays. No surprise there. Horrible offense. Don't want to see that here. 

Edited November 19 by SpeedFlex27

[Tracker]

5 hours ago, bigg jay said:

I'd be OK going forward with VAJ, I just don't see how he lands here without him and/or Zach being willing to redo their deals.  Both guys have guarantees (ZC in 2025 & VAJ in 2026) & we wouldn't be able to afford VAJ next year if we have to eat Zach's guarantee next year without sacrificing in other areas.  

Has to be an either/or situation, not a tandem.

[bigg jay]

4 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Has to be an either/or situation, not a tandem.

Wasn't implying a tandem and without some wheeling and dealing, there's not even an either/or situation, it's just Zach coming back and VAJ goes elsewhere because neither the Lions or Bombers can afford a straight up trade.