All things considered...

[Tracker]

2 hours ago, bb1 said:

Can't have it both ways, a meddling GM is a disaster, gotta leave who plays up to the HC.

When a GM sees the team deteriorate and lose three winnable Grey cup games in a row for the same reasons,, he had better step in as has happened before or he will be unemployed.

Edited Wednesday at 02:29 AM by Tracker

[Goalie]

56 minutes ago, Tracker said:

When a GM sees the team deteriorate and lose three winnable Grey cup games in a row for the same reasons,, he had better step in as has happened before or he will be unemployed.

Most gms don’t get fired for making 5 straight finals tho. Same with coaches. Walters and O’Shea have a job here along as they want one. I mean. Who fires ppl who makes finals 5 years in a row. 

Edited Wednesday at 03:25 AM by Goalie

[bigg jay]

14 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Most gms don’t get fired for making 5 straight finals tho. Same with coaches. Walters and O’Shea have a job here along as they want one. I mean. Who fires ppl who makes finals 5 years in a row. 

How many teams lose 3 straight championship games? 

The Buffalo Bills fired Bill Polian (former Bomber personnel director) as GM after 3 straight Superbowl losses so there is precedent for making changes on a successful team if you can't win the one that matters.

[Mike]

8 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

How many teams lose 3 straight championship games? 

The Buffalo Bills fired Bill Polian (former Bomber personnel director) as GM after 3 straight Superbowl losses so there is precedent for making changes on a successful team if you can't win the one that matters.

Bingo. When the standard is excellence, whether you’ve created that standard or not, that’s the bar you’ve got to reach and if you don’t ….

[Arnold_Palmer]

1 hour ago, bigg jay said:

How many teams lose 3 straight championship games? 

The Buffalo Bills fired Bill Polian (former Bomber personnel director) as GM after 3 straight Superbowl losses so there is precedent for making changes on a successful team if you can't win the one that matters.

Okay well situation is a little different first off there’s a little difference then losing three in a row and never winning the big game then there is to winning two and then losing three. Obviously we know things aren’t good enough, but when Buffalo fired Polian they got back next year (and lost again) and then went 6-10 the next season, we’re mostly a wild card team for the next couple of seasons and then went 16 years without making the playoffs, meanwhile Polian then goes to Indy and goes to two more superbowls, winning one, and going into to the Indianapolis Colts ring of fame. Really the moral of the story is the grass isn’t always greener, as much as this team has to be better next year using that example actually shows making those kind of decisions can cripple a franchise if done incorrectly.

[17to85]

7 hours ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Really the moral of the story is the grass isn’t always greener, as much as this team has to be better next year using that example actually shows making those kind of decisions can cripple a franchise if done incorrectly.

Which we as bomber fans can point to several times during the drought....

[GCn20]

15 hours ago, 17to85 said:

I think some of this is overblown to be honest. There's a couple guys need to be shown the door because time has passed them by but some of the young guys people ***** and moan about were hardly guarantees anyway. 

It's really not the big deal a select few have made it seem. 

Couldn't agree more. The whole narrative is overblown. It is frustrating as well...but how the bottom of our rosters shake out week to week is not something that is of huge consequence. The whole hanging onto vets too long is also overdone. Sure there might be 3-4 headscratchers over the past few years but it's not like they were costing us. They still played decent football for the most part.

10 hours ago, Goalie said:

Most gms don’t get fired for making 5 straight finals tho. Same with coaches. Walters and O’Shea have a job here along as they want one. I mean. Who fires ppl who makes finals 5 years in a row. 

It would be gobsmackingly stupid for the Bombers to fire either Walters or OShea. Idiotic.

[SpeedFlex27]

14 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Couldn't agree more. The whole narrative is overblown. It is frustrating as well...but how the bottom of our rosters shake out week to week is not something that is of huge consequence. The whole hanging onto vets too long is also overdone. Sure there might be 3-4 headscratchers over the past few years but it's not like they were costing us. They still played decent football for the most part.

 

We want excellent football, Not decent football. Those teams win championships.

[GCn20]

8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

We want excellent football, Not decent football. Those teams win championships.

We have played excellent football as a team. Are you suggesting we haven't? 

[17to85]

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

We have played excellent football as a team. Are you suggesting we haven't? 

"If you're not first you're last"

Is the mentality some here have.

[GCn20]

46 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

"If you're not first you're last"

Is the mentality some here have.

I get that it is frustrating to lose 3 consecutive championship games. There are certainly some improvements that could have been made, I just don't buy into this whole sky is falling nonsense agenda that seems to be permeating the forum. We are a well managed, well coached team with an excellent culture that players want to be a part of. Would I like to see some different roster management...sure....would I like to see some better coordinating in the big games....sure. Do I think these are firing worthy offences on a team that just went to 5 straight Grey Cups....not even remotely. Do I see an end of our ability to legit compete for yet another GC...not even remotely. Do I think players want out because of anything the coaches or management has done or not done....only those that are seeking more playing time or who we can't offer nearly the same money to because of SMS restraints but that is no different even in a GC winning year.

The Bombers now have an excellent reputation around the league amongst the players as an organization that will treat you well and provide you with a chance to win, and that includes our own pending FAs.

Edited 22 hours ago by GCn20

[Noeller]

2 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I get that it is frustrating to lose 3 consecutive championship games. There are certainly some improvements that could have been made, I just don't buy into this whole sky is falling nonsense agenda that seems to be permeating the forum. We are a well managed, well coached team with an excellent culture that players want to be a part of. Would I like to see some different roster management...sure....would I like to see some better coordinating in the big games....sure. Do I think these are firing worthy offences on a team that just went to 5 straight Grey Cups....not even remotely. Do I see an end of our ability to legit compete for yet another GC...not even remotely. Do I think players want out because of anything the coaches or management has done or not done....only those that are seeking more playing time or who we can't offer nearly the same money to because of SMS restraints but that is no different even in a GC winning year.

I'm personally choosing to focus on "five straight West Division Championships, with two Cups" rather than "Losers of three straight GC games", if for no other reason than the sake of my mental health.

**** happens... I'm convinced we'll never beat Toronto ever in a GC game, and both of the first two of the three losses could have gone either way. 

Things aren't perfect and adjustments need to be made, but I'm not going to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Things are pretty ******* good, still. 

[HardCoreBlue]

3 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'm personally choosing to focus on "five straight West Division Championships, with two Cups" rather than "Losers of three straight GC games", if for no other reason than the sake of my mental health.

**** happens... I'm convinced we'll never beat Toronto ever in a GC game, and both of the first two of the three losses could have gone either way. 

Things aren't perfect and adjustments need to be made, but I'm not going to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Things are pretty ******* good, still. 

I really like your first sentence but then with this bolded part of your post ironically, whether it is your intention or not, you're doing the same sort of thing you complain about others, i.e., not focusing on the positive, being hopeful etc.

[GCn20]

10 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'm personally choosing to focus on "five straight West Division Championships, with two Cups" rather than "Losers of three straight GC games", if for no other reason than the sake of my mental health.

**** happens... I'm convinced we'll never beat Toronto ever in a GC game, and both of the first two of the three losses could have gone either way. 

Things aren't perfect and adjustments need to be made, but I'm not going to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Things are pretty ******* good, still. 

Couldn't agree more. I really think we have a very good chance of hoisting the Grey on home soil this year. All we can ask management and coaches to do is to get us the chance to do that. The players then have to bring it home. All 3 years we have lost the championship game, many on this forum have let the players completely off the hook and blamed the coaching. While some coaching has been questionable there were ample opportunities for us to win all 3 games if players make plays despite whatever coaching issues there were. 

Edited 22 hours ago by GCn20

[Booch]

any player will tell you...and you will read it in press all the time that the coaches prepare and put the players in the position/situation to succeed.....and yes it is up to the players as well to perform and get the job done.....wont argue....but if the players are not put in position/coached./schemed to succeed then it doesn't matter how well they perform a flawed game plan.....its not gonna rep any rewards....and going rogue and bucking the game plan doing your own thing...even if it is the better thing is the fastest way to get benched...stuffed on the PR or flat out cut...well a good staff would would do that.

We lost 3 straight...yup....for a combination of reasons...poor play...poor scheme....absurdly bad rostering of injured guys even tho the HC professes all guys are starters and are here as they give us a chance to win, yet he doesn't even hiself follow that mantra...or seem to believe it...as it is a pile of crap essentially as they are not all starter material....some of our starters we lean on are no longer starter material, and the big fly in the ointment is we were outcoched/classed in all 3 losses....severely

We went to 5 straight cups yup...but lost 3 straight we really shouldn't have for essentially the same reason...failure to roster accordingly....failure to dress guys who were truly playable, and failure to adjust the gameplan when adjustments were required, but instead relied on just trying to pound a square peg in a round hole solely because it worked before. That is 100 percent not on the players 

Going into 2025...what makes anyone believe that we will adapt and alter how we do things based on the past 5 yrs? Heck we weeks from free-agency and we haven't even got all our internal affairs in order yet and for what has been mentioned most the decisions right now are all on Walter's and Oshea.....doesn't give a warm fuzzy confident feeling to be honest knowing Osh will be parlaying for signing likely BA....Biggie...Jake....Wilson...not even considering looking for a punter...and likely already having decided that ZC is defacto starter evn if he is outplayed in camp/pre-season, or just looks to be regressing

Call me a hater all you want.....but thats just being a realist...clubs that cling on to the past too long usually end up looking up at the teams who are adapting and evolving...

 

 

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

Going into 2025...what makes anyone believe that we will adapt and alter how we do things based on the past 5 yrs?

Because age and cost is going to force the GMs hand. I mean it's unheard of the amount of continuity this team has already had since 2019... now that the shine has worn off somewhat changes are inevitable. 

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Because age and cost is going to force the GMs hand. I mean it's unheard of the amount of continuity this team has already had since 2019... now that the shine has worn off somewhat changes are inevitable. 

Not only that we have turned over roster each and every year. People would like to say we never move on from aging players. That is simply not true, Andrew Harris will tell you that. What we don't do is move on without having a replacement ready to go. It is a complete myth that we never move on from players. Some long time Bombers that were very productive but dropped off were replaced. Darvin Adams and Jeffcoat are others just off the top of my head. Last year we started rookies at numerous positions. SMS forced some of that and will this year too, age also caught up with some and we moved on. We will this year too. 

I have zero issues with returning Biggie and Alexander for instance. Let them compete for their jobs. If they cannot keep up and we are sitting a better player...that's a different conversation.

Edited 18 hours ago by GCn20

[Bigblue204]

6 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Not only that we have turned over roster each and every year. People would like to say we never move on from aging players. That is simply not true, Andrew Harris will tell you that. What we don't do is move on without having a replacement ready to go. It is a complete myth that we never move on from players. Some long time Bombers that were very productive but dropped off were replaced. Darvin Adams and Jeffcoat are others just off the top of my head. Last year we started rookies at numerous positions. SMS forced some of that and will this year too, age also caught up with some and we moved on. We will this year too. 

Darvin you're right....the others are kinda muddy a bit. They offered them $$, but the players wanted something else/more. So I don't know how you file that away...under moving on....or under something else. But if the players had still wanted to be here Harris and Jeffcoat anyway, would have been.

But yeah I do generally agree. I think they've done a decent job from bringing in younger guys. They just need to work on replacing a few more/giving young guys a shot. With Thomas...I truly think the loss of Lawson played a big role in him getting the playing time he did. I don't think Thomas will be back next season, but I've been saying that since 2019. soooooo

Edited 18 hours ago by Bigblue204

[SpeedFlex27]

9 hours ago, GCn20 said:

We have played excellent football as a team. Are you suggesting we haven't? 

Not the last 3 Grey Cup championships.

[Goalie]

Bottom line in pro sports is winning and asses in seats. Last 5 years both have been a regular occurrence. 
 

until that stops or changes aka losing and less asses in seats… here we are. Better to lose in the final tho than picking 1st overall. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Goalie

[Tracker]

7 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Because age and cost is going to force the GMs hand. I mean it's unheard of the amount of continuity this team has already had since 2019... now that the shine has worn off somewhat changes are inevitable. 

Not if O'Shea has anything to say about it.

[Booch]

6 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

Darvin you're right....the others are kinda muddy a bit. They offered them $$, but the players wanted something else/more. So I don't know how you file that away...under moving on....or under something else. But if the players had still wanted to be here Harris and Jeffcoat anyway, would have been.

But yeah I do generally agree. I think they've done a decent job from bringing in younger guys. They just need to work on replacing a few more/giving young guys a shot. With Thomas...I truly think the loss of Lawson played a big role in him getting the playing time he did. I don't think Thomas will be back next season, but I've been saying that since 2019. soooooo

If we would have payed Jeffcoat reasonably he would have been back..and would have been huge

 

4 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Not the last 3 Grey Cup championships.

Exactly...out coached in all 3 too