All things considered...

[bb1]

12 minutes ago, Tracker said:

If the backup QBs were not good enough to replace a QB with a buggered-up index finger on his throwing hand, why the Hell were they there at all? That would seem to be a huge waste of money. Or would that have been a big FU to Walters for forcing him to tt Nichols and start Collaros way back?

Because O'Shea.

You're kinda forgetting our true backup with experience was hurt?

[Fatty Liver]

39 minutes ago, Tracker said:

If the backup QBs were not good enough to replace a QB with a buggered-up index finger on his throwing hand, why the Hell were they there at all? That would seem to be a huge waste of money. Or would that have been a big FU to Walters for forcing him to tt Nichols and start Collaros way back?

The 6'-7" decoy parked at the far end of the bench may have many unanswered questions about the reason for his existence.  

Unfortunately Brit Dort had no answers.

Edited 20 hours ago by Fatty Liver

[GCn20]

8 minutes ago, bb1 said:

You're kinda forgetting our true backup with experience was hurt?

How many people here think we stay with Collaros if Streveler was available? Imo, if anyone thinks that who was available behind Collaros wasn't a massive factor in this decision then they are being biased.

Edited 20 hours ago by GCn20

[Fatty Liver]

9 minutes ago, bb1 said:

You're kinda forgetting our true backup with experience was hurt?

Strev. become inoperable in early Sept., they had 3 months to figure something out.

[GCn20]

Just now, Fatty Liver said:

Strev. become inoperable in early Sept., they had 3 months to figure something out.

That is true. Not bringing in an adequate veteran backup was a big mistake.

[bb1]

Pretty hard to bring in a decent back up at the end of the year. Nobody thought Arbuckle was adequate....

[bigg jay]

4 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

How many people here think we stay with Collaros if Streveler was available? Imo, if anyone thinks that who was available behind Collaros wasn't a massive factor in this decision then they are being biased.

This.  They were riding ZC, no matter who was available.

2 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Strev. become inoperable in early Sept., they had 3 months to figure something out.

Not only that but how much did they actually use Strevy as a QB when he was healthy? He was a glorified running back that got ground to s**t.

[GCn20]

1 minute ago, bb1 said:

Pretty hard to bring in a decent back up at the end of the year. Nobody thought Arbuckle was adequate....

Yes, it is difficult. Arbuckle was about as good a backup as anyone though with the exception of Vernon Adams.

[Mark H.]

20 minutes ago, bb1 said:

Pretty hard to bring in a decent back up at the end of the year. Nobody thought Arbuckle was adequate....

I believe that's called coaching. This is the guy we have - let's get him ready.

[bb1]

18 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I believe that's called coaching. This is the guy we have - let's get him ready.

[GCn20]

38 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I believe that's called coaching. This is the guy we have - let's get him ready.

There is limited time under the CBA to do so without robbing reps from other guys. It's a balancing act. We brought in Dolegala at a time that left us very constricted with what we could expect. Dolegala being a pocket passer offered very limited skills without knowing the playbook well and having reps. He is not a scrambler or a guy that can go sand lot. In retrospect given our timelines it would probably have been wiser to bring in a different vet.

[17to85]

All this stuff is just excuses... fact is they opted to play an injured player rather than give a healthy player the chance. They need to own that decision as a coaching staff.

[HardCoreBlue]

22 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

All this stuff is just excuses... fact is they opted to play an injured player rather than give a healthy player the chance. They need to own that decision as a coaching staff.

And based on how straightforward all of this I'm assuming in the spirit of being upfront with your existing rostered players MOS/coaching staff let Wilson and Dolegala know from the get go there was no way they were seeing the field (sans short yardage) other than if Zac was hurt enough where there was no way he was returning? Because, as some here post, Wilson/Dolegala are not good enough coupled with MOS's loyalty approach to people who have earned it in his books. So basically Wilson/Dolegala played the role of an emergency back up goaltender that you see happen in the NHL at times? 

Not a great model imo.

[Bigblue204]

52 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

All this stuff is just excuses... fact is they opted to play an injured player rather than give a healthy player the chance. They need to own that decision as a coaching staff.

**** the healthy QB getting a chance.....the real crime was Bradys use. YES I'M BEATING A DEAD HORSE!!!!!

[Goalie]

59 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

**** the healthy QB getting a chance.....the real crime was Bradys use. YES I'M BEATING A DEAD HORSE!!!!!

I’d agree. O play calling was a huge problem. Actually if you want to go further it was a problem all year. They spent all this cash on the O and the O stunk it up all year. Thankfully the play caller is gone now tho. All the $$$ on O only to barely put up more points than Jake Maier and Calgary.  We can go further. Bucks use of Streveler was questionable to say the least even when he was healthy. I think you can say this past season we maybe didn’t deserve to be there in the final. The other 4 yup. We deserves it but this year? 2 and 6 at one point no? God intervening in Montreal. It just seemed like we fluked it. We were the best of a pretty bad west really.  I think we’d have lost to Montreal also. Why? In the end they were better teams and more consistent 

We dealt with injuries on O all year tho also. Even big Stan had an episode on field. Lawler Schoen. Brady the first few weeks wasn’t healthy. But for some reason our high paid QB looked like a rookie most nights instead of the high paid star that should have helped elevate the rookies in that spot. I understand when you struggle with a rookie QB but with a veteran one like Zach, that worries me. Regardless of who is on the field with you. Oh hey Wheetfall looks good finally, oh crap he’s hurt for 6 to 8 weeks. Kenny’s back tho. Oh? Hmm 1 good game every 3 or 4. Ok. 
 

vets sucked honestly. Zach on down minus a couple. Zach didn’t earn his $$$ Kenny didn’t earn his $$$ you can go on. Demski Neufeld kolo Dobson even big Stan looked lost more often than normal. Jake. We all know about Jake. Willie invisible most weeks. Bighill injured. BA missing tackles that result in 50 yard gains. Vets sucked. 
 

I guess what I’m saying is turnover is inevitable and it needs to happen with multiple players here also and I’m somewhat hopeful we see it this off season. Can’t and won’t replace all of them but 50 percent would be a start.  Build the O around Brady. Pretty simple concept there. You don’t need 2 superstar receivers like Kenny and dalton. One will do. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Goalie

[Booch]

Oshea says all guys give a chance to win...and all are starter material...so is he lying....

And the mindset of "oh gee our QB goes down we have xero chance to win if we replace him....when he cant even grip a ball" is the lamest ecuse/reasoning ever....hero's are made when given a shot...many times in the most unlikely circumstabces

Dolegala was no raw rookie.....he would have gave us a chance...and if he didnt whyy did we keep him and release Scott?....who got a ring outta the deal

Thats where coaching wins you games...and that yr long coaching and developing...not just rolling along staus quo and then when **** hits fan end up screwed

All Wilson needed to do was play within himself...use his legs when needed....which would have opened stuff up fro BO and not force anything...Smae with Dolegala.....ZC couldnt throw...was no threat on the ground....and has a real bad penchant for forcing things...if our back ups arent good enough to come in and slavage a game...get some that can....but we been force fed for yrs they are here cause they give us a chance to win if they have to step in....and they are all starters....as per Osh...so what is it...they good enough?...are you full of ****?...do you believe your own chatter?....I'm surprised the Argo'sdidnt roll out Pervy Boy on one leg....if thats the case..our starter is out we're screwed....considering we rolled out 4 guys in 2023 on basically 1 leg....another instance of not believing your own B.S about every one is a starter and here cause they give us a chance to win

[Tracker]

6 hours ago, 17to85 said:

As far as onfield reasons, collaros lost them that game. Wilson couldn't have done any worse but at least you're giving the team a chance. 

Really, it was O'Shea's decision to put Collaros back in when there was a potentially viable alternative that cost the win.

[Tracker]

6 hours ago, bb1 said:

You're kinda forgetting our true backup with experience was hurt?

Nope. Wilson and Dolegala were certainly better than Collaros was at that time. 

6 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:

The 6'-7" decoy parked at the far end of the bench may have many unanswered questions about the reason for his existence.  

Unfortunately Brit Dort had no answers.

Her answer to him was probably along the lines of "there isn't enough beer in the stadium".

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

Really, it was O'Shea's decision to put Collaros back in when there was a potentially viable alternative that cost the win.

Yeah well I said onfield reason for a reason.... cause we've all heard enough finger pointing at oshea all offseason.

[Brandon]

I'm sure with a year older that Zach will bounce back and be the MOP he was several years ago.    

I'm sure Strev coming back from a big injury will also bounce back and light everything up. 

[Mark H.]

12 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I'm sure with a year older that Zach will bounce back and be the MOP he was several years ago.    

I'm sure Strev coming back from a big injury will also bounce back and light everything up. 

And I'll move to Fort Hew 

[bb1]

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[do or die]

12 hours ago, 17to85 said:

All this stuff is just excuses... fact is they opted to play an injured player rather than give a healthy player the chance. They need to own that decision as a coaching staff.

Like we have never seen that before or something...