2024/2025 Blue Bombers Off-Season Thread

[Booch]

39 minutes ago, Goalie said:

So you and Osh are similar. Makes sense now. The anger and rage. 

I ain't a bullshiiter and will take accountability...and I learn and adapt...we far from similar then

36 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

The criticism of MOS is fair game. Booch takes it way over the top though, but it's discussion worthy. Not as big a problem as it is being suggested, but still something MOS needs to work on. It is idiotic to suggest he has lost the room, or this is some kind of last hurrah for MOS. That's just an extremely polarized take.

Yes...and no...but don't be too sure about lilipops and rainbows...all good things eventually come to an end..no one said this is the end...but could be the start of things tho...it happens

 

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, SectionKBlackout said:

Just finished reading the same article. The cracks are showing that I'm sure have been starting in the locker room. Oshea is stuck with his old guys he's loyal too at a detriment to our team.

Great examples from Hamilton on Leggihio, the fiasco with Schoen and Biggie and now Collaros. 

This feels like the last hurrah.

With the threepeat losses, there has to be friction between those who want to win and those who are there only because O'Shea is keeping them around. A house divided cannot stand.

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

I ain't a bullshiiter and will take accountability...and I learn and adapt...we far from similar then

Yes...and no...but don't be too sure about lilipops and rainbows...all good things eventually come to an end..no one said this is the end...but could be the start of things tho...it happens

 

Agreed. If nothing changes, then nothing changes.

Edited November 23 by Tracker

[HardCoreBlue]

16 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Collaros should wear the horns yes, but not alone. O'Shea's decisions were at least as responsible and have been a liability for at least two years. Every coach reaches a best-before date and I think O'Shea has passed his.

Everyone one on the team wears horns, different sizes depending but still all wear. Win as a team, lose as a team.

Ultimate team sport.

Edited November 23 by HardCoreBlue

[Dodge and Burn]

12 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Everyone one on the team wears horns, different sizes depending but still all wear. Win as a team, lose as a team.

Ultimate team sport.

My horns hold up my halo 🤣

[Fatty Liver]

2 hours ago, Tony Fresco said:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2024/11/22/loyal-and-stubborn-to-the-end

Finally there is someone looking for accountability in the media.  Hamilton in today's Free Press states "O’Shea’s tunnel vision cost Big Blue big time"

 

In the end whether O'Shea continues with an injured Collaros, rookie Wilson or an unprepared Dolegala I think the result remains much the same, the Argos were playing well as a team and would have found multiple ways to win the game. 

The issue was not having a well prepared capable backup ready to step in when Zach went down, which did happen in multiple games this past season.  Strevy. may have made the game interesting if healthy but he's been out of action for over 2 months, so Buck had plenty of time to prepare a backup. Question is do they go into next season with the exact same approach, or do they learn from this and avoid making the same errors in judgement again?

Edited November 23 by Fatty Liver

[Goalie]

It’s funny to me ppl demanding change after 5 straight cup appearances. The entitlement is real. Better do exactly what I want or I’ll go on all off season. Man, just accept you have no say and things will be ok. Started 0 and 4. 2 and 6 and finished 1st and went to our 5th straight final. It’s not as bad as ppl make it out to be. But then again maybe it’s better being like Edmonton or Hamilton or Calgary.  There is lots of drama on the site recently, it’s probably tho cuz a vocal minority of fans repeat the same **** almost daily. I mean I get it, do it my way or I’ll complain until I’m blue in the face. But do some of you really believe that anything you say is actually gonna happen? It won’t.  Long ass off season now. Nothing really happens until February. 

Edited November 23 by Goalie

[Tracker]

2 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

In the end whether O'Shea continues with an injured Collaros, rookie Wilson or an unprepared Dolegala I think the result remains much the same, the Argos were playing well as a team and would have found multiple ways to win the game. 

The issue was not having a well prepared capable backup ready to step in when Zach went down, which did happen in multiple games this past season.  Strevy. may have made the game interesting if healthy but he's been out of action for over 2 months, so Buck had plenty of time to prepare a backup. Question is do they go into next season with the exact same approach, or do they learn and avoid making the same error in judgement again?

If O'Shea is still here as head coach next year, we will have a repeat performance. If any business had a manager who had a worse job performance for three consecutive years and made the same staffing mistakes again and again, damned few would get a fourth chance,

[Doublezero]

6 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

In the end whether O'Shea continues with an injured Collaros, rookie Wilson or an unprepared Dolegala I think the result remains much the same, the Argos were playing well as a team and would have found multiple ways to win the game. 

The issue was not having a well prepared capable backup ready to step in when Zach went down, which did happen in multiple games this past season.  Strevy. may have made the game interesting if healthy but he's been out of action for over 2 months, so Buck had plenty of time to prepare a backup. Question is do they go into next season with the exact same approach, or do they learn and avoid making the same error in judgement again?

100%. Given Collaros's struggles in the 2023 season - even then many could see his deer in the headlights look even under slightest pressure, his lack of resolve to stay in the pocket for an extra beat, his off-target throws. This past season should've have been the time to get your back-up QB some meaningful live fire. Walters should be able to see how Streveler was not used optimally. Let's see if the OC and HC are held to account.

[Bigblue204]

15 minutes ago, Goalie said:

It’s funny to me ppl demanding change after 5 straight cup appearances. The entitlement is real. Better do exactly what I want or I’ll go on all off season. Man, just accept you have no say and things will be ok. Started 0 and 4. 2 and 6 and finished 1st and went to our 5th straight final. It’s not as bad as ppl make it out to be. But then again maybe it’s better being like Edmonton or Hamilton or Calgary.  There is lots of drama on the site recently, it’s probably tho cuz a vocal minority of fans repeat the same **** almost daily. I mean I get it, do it my way or I’ll complain until I’m blue in the face. But do some of you really believe that anything you say is actually gonna happen? It won’t.  Long ass off season now. Nothing really happens until February. 

In pro sports. If you're not changing you're not getting better. That's not to say all change is good or will result in better performances. Which is why that line of work can be so cut throat.

But it still stands. IF they keep things exactly as they are. The bombers will be worse next season.

[HardCoreBlue]

Just now, Bigblue204 said:

In pro sports. If you're not changing you're not getting better. That's not to say all change is good or will result in better performances. Which is why that line of work can be so cut throat.

But it still stands. IF they keep things exactly as they are. The bombers will be worse next season.

Yup they’ll be the Pittsburgh Penguins of the CFL.

[Doublezero]

52 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Everyone one on the team wears horns, different sizes depending but still all wear. Win as a team, lose as a team.

Ultimate team sport.

100%. But as you say - different sized horns. Collaros wasn't playing well in the big game, even prior to his injured hand. The cracks in his game started to show back in 2023. Fairly large horns there. MOS shouldn't have put his injured QB back in the game when he's been told the player can't grip the ball. More large horns. Brady the league's MOC and MOP not fed the ball. Horns for both MOS and for play-caller Buck on that one - and also (again) for Collaros who decided to throw on RPOs, despite knowing his hand was a liability. I would also place a little thorny crown on Kyle Walters for signing Collaros to a 3-year deal that hamstrung the club on the salary cap which has led to other consequences.

[BBlink]

18 minutes ago, Doublezero said:

100%. But as you say - different sized horns. Collaros wasn't playing well in the big game, even prior to his injured hand. The cracks in his game started to show back in 2023. Fairly large horns there. MOS shouldn't have put his injured QB back in the game when he's been told the player can't grip the ball. More large horns. Brady the league's MOC and MOP not fed the ball. Horns for both MOS and for play-caller Buck on that one - and also (again) for Collaros who decided to throw on RPOs, despite knowing his hand was a liability. I would also place a little thorny crown on Kyle Walters for signing Collaros to a 3-year deal that hamstrung the club on the salary cap which has led to other consequences.

Collaros has been pretty similar in all of the years he's been here IMO. The biggest problem is that every year we've given more money to our top guys, including himself, and not getting the return on the investment. Collaros is a good QB but he needs a great team around him if we're going to win it all (just like any QB). We've lost the last 3 Grey Cups to MBT/green Kelly, Fajardo, and Nick Arbuckle. Goes to show you, you don't need elite QB play to win a championship.

[HardCoreBlue]

14 minutes ago, BBlink said:

Collaros has been pretty similar in all of the years he's been here IMO. The biggest problem is that every year we've given more money to our top guys, including himself, and not getting the return on the investment. Collaros is a good QB but he needs a great team around him if we're going to win it all (just like any QB). We've lost the last 3 Grey Cups to MBT/green Kelly, Fajardo, and Nick Arbuckle. Goes to show you, you don't need elite QB play to win a championship.

Man, when you put those four names beside each other that beat us in the championship games, gross head shaking side to side, but true what you say.

[rebusrankin]

Carey made a good point in a third down article about how Toronto went 16-2 last year, didn't win and then went out and got Ceresna. We on the other hand seem to value the status quo. I'm not calling for MOS to be fired but some changes like a new OC and the fond farewell to some aging vets would be nice.

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

If O'Shea is still here as head coach next year, we will have a repeat performance. If any business had a manager who had a worse job performance for three consecutive years and made the same staffing mistakes again and again, damned few would get a fourth chance,

We have made the grey cup for 5 straight seasons and hosted 4 straight western finals.... a little perspective is perhaps warranted here... ultimately they failed to win the big prize 3 years in a row but they still have had tremendous success including last season. Anyone look back at the stamps of the 2010s and think they weren't successful? Or the als of the 2000s? They had plenty of Grey cup disappointments but they weren't touted as unsuccessful. 

Fact is that prior to the Bombers the last team to make 5 straight Grey cups was the 5 in a row Eskimos... that says something right there.

People need to tone down the craziness and see things for what they are. Could be better in some aspects but could also be a ******* hell of a lot worse.

[HardCoreBlue]

2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

We have made the grey cup for 5 straight seasons and hosted 4 straight western finals.... a little perspective is perhaps warranted here... ultimately they failed to win the big prize 3 years in a row but they still have had tremendous success including last season. Anyone look back at the stamps of the 2010s and think they weren't successful? Or the als of the 2000s? They had plenty of Grey cup disappointments but they weren't touted as unsuccessful. 

Fact is that prior to the Bombers the last team to make 5 straight Grey cups was the 5 in a row Eskimos... that says something right there.

People need to tone down the craziness and see things for what they are. Could be better in some aspects but could also be a ******* hell of a lot worse.

Yes Dad, sorry Dad. I’ll go to my room and reflect on my behaviour. 

[Goalie]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

In pro sports. If you're not changing you're not getting better. That's not to say all change is good or will result in better performances. Which is why that line of work can be so cut throat.

But it still stands. IF they keep things exactly as they are. The bombers will be worse next season.

Oh I agree. I just thinking it’s apparent that Osh ain’t going nowhere, Zach isn’t and unless buck heads to bc, he’s not either. There will be roster turnover tho. There always is and was quite a bit this year also. If a guy like Jake Thomas is signed, I’ll be the first to say ******* morons but until then , I’ll believe they see there are some issues and i watched that osh 30 minute interview and my impression was there are issues. He said guys will be back if we want them back. To me that suggests they don’t want some back

Edited November 23 by Goalie

[Fatty Liver]

Interesting to see which way the Bombers would go if they lost Buck.

 

 

@FarhanLaljiTSN

#BCLions have asked for permission to interview #Riders OC Marc Mueller for their HC position. BC is casting a wide net. #Bombers have asked for permission to speak to Lions OC Jordan Maksymic for their OC position, in the event they lose Buck Pierce to a HC job.

Edited November 23 by Fatty Liver

[HardCoreBlue]

16 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Interesting to see which way the Bombers would go if they lost Buck.

 

 

@FarhanLaljiTSN

#BCLions have asked for permission to interview #Riders OC Marc Mueller for their HC position. BC is casting a wide net. #Bombers have asked for permission to speak to Lions OC Jordan Maksymic for their OC position, in the event they lose Buck Pierce to a HC job.

I know they have to plan but not to mention the fact they are interviewing for another OC prior to no decisions made by BC/Buck.

[GCn20]

3 hours ago, Booch said:

I ain't a bullshiiter and will take accountability...and I learn and adapt...we far from similar then

Yes...and no...but don't be too sure about lilipops and rainbows...all good things eventually come to an end..no one said this is the end...but could be the start of things tho...it happens

 

No ones is saying lollipops and rainbows. Just as this could be the beginning of the end, it could just as easily be the continuation of the dominance we have seen. All things end for sure, but that does not mean that it is now or even beginning now. CFLPA is putting out their report cards soon. That will tell a lot.

[SpeedFlex27]

13 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Interesting to see which way the Bombers would go if they lost Buck.

 

 

@FarhanLaljiTSN

#BCLions have asked for permission to interview #Riders OC Marc Mueller for their HC position. BC is casting a wide net. #Bombers have asked for permission to speak to Lions OC Jordan Maksymic for their OC position, in the event they lose Buck Pierce to a HC job.

If we lost Buck I can say it's a safe bet that he won't come here. He'll follow Campbell to Edmonton. Why would he? We have an old & fading Collaros who seems to shut down in Grey Cups. Our most experienced backup in Streveler is currently injured & can't throw a pass over 5 yards with any accuracy. He could never flourish in a Maksymic offense. It looks like Bombers have no plans to bring in any of the free agent qbs that will be available in February. so it'll be status quo. Maksymic has Tre Ford in Edmonton if they sign him, MBT or Adams should they decide to sign him. Edmonton may be on the rise & we are getting old. 

[GCn20]

2 hours ago, Tracker said:

If O'Shea is still here as head coach next year, we will have a repeat performance. If any business had a manager who had a worse job performance for three consecutive years and made the same staffing mistakes again and again, damned few would get a fourth chance,

This makes no sense. We have been the West division champions for those 3 straight years. There are 4 other teams that should be firing their coaches every year by your standard. 

[Bigblue204]

22 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Interesting to see which way the Bombers would go if they lost Buck.

 

 

@FarhanLaljiTSN

#BCLions have asked for permission to interview #Riders OC Marc Mueller for their HC position. BC is casting a wide net. #Bombers have asked for permission to speak to Lions OC Jordan Maksymic for their OC position, in the event they lose Buck Pierce to a HC job.

Not a huge of that

[GCn20]

2 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

If we lost Buck I can say it's a safe bet that he won't come here. He'll follow Campbell to Edmonton. Why would he? We have an old & fading Collaros who seems to shut down in Grey Cups. Our most experienced backup in Streveler is currently injured & can't throw a pass over 5 yards with any accuracy. He could never flourish in a Maksymic offense. It looks like Bombers have no plans to bring in any of the free agent qbs that will be available in February. so it'll be status quo. Maksymic has Tre Ford in Edmonton if they sign him, MBT or Adams should they decide to sign him. Edmonton may be on the rise & we are getting old. 

Wouldn't want Maksymic as our OC. Might as well trade BO if we did that.

[SpeedFlex27]

3 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

No ones is saying lollipops and rainbows. Just as this could be the beginning of the end, it could just as easily be the continuation of the dominance we have seen. All things end for sure, but that does not mean that it is now or even beginning now. CFLPA is putting out their report cards soon. That will tell a lot.

Based on the two stories I've read, Calgary (no surprise) is just a **** hole to play in.