bearpants Posted Thursday at 06:45 PM Report Posted Thursday at 06:45 PM 20 hours ago, M.O.A.B. said: Bombers signed the following: RB Quiet DB Silent WR Notalk OL Crickets Is that Jiminy or Rickety?
Booch Posted Thursday at 07:01 PM Report Posted Thursday at 07:01 PM 49 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said: If you need time to go downfield you need to outnumber the rush. Football 101 You can pretty much count on 5 guys coming most passing downs so that's why you usually see 6 guys blocking. Regardless of how many guys are blocking the QB's pre snap are reading 2-3 guys in a route. So if you have 6 guys out wide all you're doing is widening out the field which works for quick game stuff. Doesn't really matter if you're more vertical based. you can also use different protection packages with 5 guys and maybe a reciever...slide protections....moving the launch points...sprint outs...etc.....the insistance we need to over load with the extra oline guys is not necessarily a good thing...it also removes 2 potential targets for the QB to use and just begs for him to throw into multiple coverage...and look at ZC's picksthe last 2 yrs since we have relied on this game in and game out...they have gone up....we consistently shoot ourselves in the foot with insistence to not adjust or change our mind sets....and just keep thinking i twill work because it did before...thats a bad coaching mindset 48 minutes ago, rebusrankin said: On Kolo at center, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. which can be said for the last 3 yrs in other areas too....and a bit of it is slipping into yr 4 now as well 16 minutes ago, bearpants said: Is that Jiminy or Rickety? actually colon 😁 wbbfan and Piggy 1 1 1
rebusrankin Posted Thursday at 07:38 PM Report Posted Thursday at 07:38 PM 1 hour ago, Mark H. said: He's a starter. Worst one in the league BigBlueFanatic, wbbfan and Piggy 1 2 1
bigg jay Posted Thursday at 07:48 PM Report Posted Thursday at 07:48 PM Bombers sign American DB/KR Duron Lowe, one other - 3DownNation wbbfan, bb1, rebusrankin and 1 other 3 1
GCn20 Posted Thursday at 08:02 PM Report Posted Thursday at 08:02 PM 23 minutes ago, rebusrankin said: Worst one in the league I wouldn't go that far but he's not in the top half for sure.
BomberBall. Posted Thursday at 08:33 PM Report Posted Thursday at 08:33 PM So often Zach’s lack of time was because of pressure straight into his face… Kola was either getting toasted or run over. Having extra guys in to block isn’t going to change that. Piggy 1, Booch, BigBlueFanatic and 2 others 5
M.O.A.B. Posted Thursday at 08:48 PM Report Posted Thursday at 08:48 PM 59 minutes ago, bigg jay said: Bombers sign American DB/KR Duron Lowe, one other - 3DownNation Good thing this Duron is Lowe. The other Duron I know is always "high". 😄 rebusrankin, Piggy 1, Tracker and 1 other 4
Booch Posted Thursday at 08:58 PM Report Posted Thursday at 08:58 PM 53 minutes ago, GCn20 said: I wouldn't go that far but he's not in the top half for sure. who's worse tho? Not trying to be a penicular device....justwondering who you think is....I'd go as far as saying maybe Godbar in Sask, maybe....if anything they at par but Godbar doesnt get bullied back into the QB's lap as often 23 minutes ago, BomberBall. said: So often Zach’s lack of time was because of pressure straight into his face… Kola was either getting toasted or run over. Having extra guys in to block isn’t going to change that. this here along with the post above.......or his inabilty to recognize abd pickup the stunt or twist... Piggy 1 and BomberBall. 2
17to85 Posted Thursday at 09:12 PM Report Posted Thursday at 09:12 PM 3 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said: If you need time to go downfield you need to outnumber the rush. Football 101 You can pretty much count on 5 guys coming most passing downs so that's why you usually see 6 guys blocking. Regardless of how many guys are blocking the QB's pre snap are reading 2-3 guys in a route. So if you have 6 guys out wide all you're doing is widening out the field which works for quick game stuff. Doesn't really matter if you're more vertical based. Sure, but it also seems to me if you are bringing more guys in to block you're just dragging more defenders in to rush and clog up the middle which makes it harder on the run game too. Just my thoughts anyway, more targets spreads things out more gives some more space. I might be out to lunch just a feeling I have. Our OL isn't good enough anymore to just bully the LOS like that.
Tracker Posted Thursday at 09:48 PM Report Posted Thursday at 09:48 PM 58 minutes ago, M.O.A.B. said: Good thing this Duron is Lowe. The other Duron I know is always "high". 😄 Lowe looks like he ought to be competitive, Daughtry looks to be training camp fodder.
wbbfan Posted Thursday at 09:56 PM Report Posted Thursday at 09:56 PM 3 hours ago, Mark H. said: He's a starter. They all are. Both halletts, kornelson, samson, schmekel, Thomas all of em. Not on any other team but here. Not starters capable of competing. Not better than any imps. But yeah they all starters. If cut maybe, maybe one guy gets another offer. But they all starters. Mark H., BigBlueFanatic, Booch and 1 other 3 1
greenrider55 Posted Thursday at 09:58 PM Report Posted Thursday at 09:58 PM I can’t wait till yall sign Jake Ceresna and MOS makes him rotational because it’s not his favourite Jake on the roster. wbbfan, bluto, Mark H. and 4 others 1 5 1
Doublezero Posted Thursday at 11:15 PM Report Posted Thursday at 11:15 PM 3 hours ago, bigg jay said: Bombers sign American DB/KR Duron Lowe, one other - 3DownNation Fatboi prob could've returned this for a century - holes you could drive a truck through: https://www.espn.in/video/clip?id=27992094
JuranBoldenRules Posted Thursday at 11:54 PM Report Posted Thursday at 11:54 PM 2 hours ago, 17to85 said: Sure, but it also seems to me if you are bringing more guys in to block you're just dragging more defenders in to rush and clog up the middle which makes it harder on the run game too. Just my thoughts anyway, more targets spreads things out more gives some more space. I might be out to lunch just a feeling I have. Our OL isn't good enough anymore to just bully the LOS like that. Yeah I don't have a lot of time for the 7 OL stuff. They roll that 1st and 10 or 2nd and short-medium mostly. But you'll see backs and receivers filling in if they go max protect on a passing down. Most of the time we had OL in there and they struggle in pass pro off the edge anyways. It only helps the run if the defense shorts themselves on the play side. OC needs to impress on Collaros that he has to manage blitzes better and hit hot routes. But you also need to design plays that give that option. Bombers with Buck Pierce would run some quick hitter stuff but a lot of plays you're looking and the only outlet is Oliviera who also might be in there trying to give Collaros space to attempt a vertical throw. The other thing we might see is more of a commitment to the zone run game and maybe a little less trust on having a guy just make a play. Hit the target and go or make one cut at the target. Let's get 5 yards every play. HardCoreBlue, wbbfan, Arnold_Palmer and 2 others 5
GCn20 Posted Friday at 02:05 PM Report Posted Friday at 02:05 PM 14 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said: Yeah I don't have a lot of time for the 7 OL stuff. They roll that 1st and 10 or 2nd and short-medium mostly. But you'll see backs and receivers filling in if they go max protect on a passing down. Most of the time we had OL in there and they struggle in pass pro off the edge anyways. It only helps the run if the defense shorts themselves on the play side. OC needs to impress on Collaros that he has to manage blitzes better and hit hot routes. But you also need to design plays that give that option. Bombers with Buck Pierce would run some quick hitter stuff but a lot of plays you're looking and the only outlet is Oliviera who also might be in there trying to give Collaros space to attempt a vertical throw. The other thing we might see is more of a commitment to the zone run game and maybe a little less trust on having a guy just make a play. Hit the target and go or make one cut at the target. Let's get 5 yards every play. I really felt like Buck's offence didn't do a particularly good job of spreading the field laterally. I would like to see more commitment to that. He loved to stretch the field vertically with his play calling and that was good, but we really went away from the sweeps in the run game and passes into the flats in the last couple years and that keeps the DE's and OLBs honest. I get that we ran a ton of rookies last year but backfield motion was really at a low point too. wbbfan, BomberBall., Doublezero and 2 others 3 2
bearpants Posted Friday at 03:26 PM Report Posted Friday at 03:26 PM 17 hours ago, greenrider55 said: I can’t wait till yall sign Jake Ceresna and MOS makes him rotational because it’s not his favourite Jake on the roster. I couldn't help but laugh... but don't even joke about that!! Give me a 3-4 front featuring Willie, Adams and Ceresna please... Piggy 1, BigBlueFanatic, wbbfan and 1 other 4
Fatty Liver Posted Friday at 05:44 PM Report Posted Friday at 05:44 PM 3 hours ago, GCn20 said: I really felt like Buck's offence didn't do a particularly good job of spreading the field laterally. I would like to see more commitment to that. He loved to stretch the field vertically with his play calling and that was good, but we really went away from the sweeps in the run game and passes into the flats in the last couple years and that keeps the DE's and OLBs honest. I get that we ran a ton of rookies last year but backfield motion was really at a low point too. Buck+Zach= 2 QB's with short attention spans and little patience, due to the number of concussions they accumulated. The "go big or go home" mantra makes for lazy football, along with "it works or it doesn't" results. Hopefully the next OC butts heads with Zach a bit more, seems to have eventually worked out for BLM once Milanovich convinced him to read the field from short to long, instead of long to short. Old dogs can learn new tricks. Piggy 1, Doublezero and rebusrankin 1 2
GCn20 Posted Friday at 05:58 PM Report Posted Friday at 05:58 PM 11 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said: Buck+Zach= 2 QB's with short attention spans and little patience, due to the number of concussions they accumulated. The "go big or go home" mantra makes for lazy football, along with "it works or it doesn't" results. Hopefully the next OC butts heads with Zach a bit more, seems to have eventually worked out for BLM once Milanovich convinced him to read the field from short to long, instead of long to short. Old dogs can learn new tricks. You don't want to stifle Zac's game too much because what makes Zac great is that he can extend a play like no other. However, he does need to settle in sometimes and take the 5 yards. It's a balancing act for sure but a lot of Zac's "bullheadedness' in holding the ball so long the last couple years was a direct result of Buck's game plan and have no outlet for him to go to. Bigblue204 and wbbfan 2
Fatty Liver Posted Friday at 06:51 PM Report Posted Friday at 06:51 PM 46 minutes ago, GCn20 said: You don't want to stifle Zac's game too much because what makes Zac great is that he can extend a play like no other. However, he does need to settle in sometimes and take the 5 yards. It's a balancing act for sure but a lot of Zac's "bullheadedness' in holding the ball so long the last couple years was a direct result of Buck's game plan and have no outlet for him to go to. I'd say Zach's mobility has decreased significantly in the last 2 seasons, which maybe due to age, sustained injuries, or adding more muscle mass increasing his weight. Certainly doesn't look as quick as he once did. Deiter Fan, Booch, rebusrankin and 1 other 1 3
Arnold_Palmer Posted Friday at 07:01 PM Report Posted Friday at 07:01 PM 23 minutes ago, GCn20 said: You don't want to stifle Zac's game too much because what makes Zac great is that he can extend a play like no other. However, he does need to settle in sometimes and take the 5 yards. It's a balancing act for sure but a lot of Zac's "bullheadedness' in holding the ball so long the last couple years was a direct result of Buck's game plan and have no outlet for him to go to. I love Zach and his game but how many times did I see on those long interceptions into double coverage when they showed the reply they had a wide open guy around the first down yardage marker. It seems like mid season because of necessity we had to switch to throwing quicker short passes, but as soon as our receiving core got healthier and our line started playing better he went back to the deep ball. Worked great against Saskatchewan but terribly against a good secondary like Toronto’s. Fatty Liver, BigBlueFanatic, Bubba Zanetti and 1 other 1 3
SpeedFlex27 Posted Friday at 07:56 PM Report Posted Friday at 07:56 PM On 2025-01-23 at 11:33 AM, Mark H. said: He's a starter. Yeah but.... Piggy 1, Tracker and Mark H. 2 1
Booch Posted Friday at 08:11 PM Report Posted Friday at 08:11 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, GCn20 said: You don't want to stifle Zac's game too much because what makes Zac great is that he can extend a play like no other. However, he does need to settle in sometimes and take the 5 yards. It's a balancing act for sure but a lot of Zac's "bullheadedness' in holding the ball so long the last couple years was a direct result of Buck's game plan and have no outlet for him to go to. I think we need to accept the fact...he could.....and now when he tries a lot of times results in a pick....he's definitely trending the wrong way and I'm somewhat concerned how he plays this yr, and the fact that if he is hurting the team, or just not "Zack" anymore you-know-who will ignore it...deny it...make excuses for it...and in the end just ride him into another disappointment when it matters and not allow anyone to develop behind him...let alone get real reps so that if we need them to play....they have a good grasp of things and we actually know what they can do...and what they cant 1 hour ago, Arnold_Palmer said: I love Zach and his game but how many times did I see on those long interceptions into double coverage when they showed the reply they had a wide open guy around the first down yardage marker. It seems like mid season because of necessity we had to switch to throwing quicker short passes, but as soon as our receiving core got healthier and our line started playing better he went back to the deep ball. Worked great against Saskatchewan but terribly against a good secondary like Toronto’s. you know as an opposition coach that they are totally scheming and game planning for ZC to force it to his "go to guys" as it's obvious he will ignore others...especially newer guys....basically luring him right into it....why wouldn't they as they know his tendancies It's also baffling our coaches don't see it.....or if they do...do something about it....tell ZC to take their bait....influence them to where they know it usually goes with a look or a pump, then hit the wide open guy....its simple coaching but we avoid the simple and obvious for the old and worn out it worked before mindset....so lets just keep hammering away at that to no avail....our coaching too many times has been our demise...and there been no accountability for it by upper management....or anyone accepting and admitting faut and that "yeah....maybe we could have went about it differently"....I have never heard an instance where we have admitted we fackked things up Edited Friday at 08:13 PM by Booch Tracker and Piggy 1 1 1
GCn20 Posted Friday at 09:01 PM Report Posted Friday at 09:01 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, Fatty Liver said: I'd say Zach's mobility has decreased significantly in the last 2 seasons, which maybe due to age, sustained injuries, or adding more muscle mass increasing his weight. Certainly doesn't look as quick as he once did. Yea...thus the need for our OC to adjust. I don`t believe that Buck did that well. 55 minutes ago, Booch said: I think we need to accept the fact...he could.....and now when he tries a lot of times results in a pick....he's definitely trending the wrong way and I'm somewhat concerned how he plays this yr, and the fact that if he is hurting the team, or just not "Zack" anymore you-know-who will ignore it...deny it...make excuses for it...and in the end just ride him into another disappointment when it matters and not allow anyone to develop behind him...let alone get real reps so that if we need them to play....they have a good grasp of things and we actually know what they can do...and what they cant you know as an opposition coach that they are totally scheming and game planning for ZC to force it to his "go to guys" as it's obvious he will ignore others...especially newer guys....basically luring him right into it....why wouldn't they as they know his tendancies It's also baffling our coaches don't see it.....or if they do...do something about it....tell ZC to take their bait....influence them to where they know it usually goes with a look or a pump, then hit the wide open guy....its simple coaching but we avoid the simple and obvious for the old and worn out it worked before mindset....so lets just keep hammering away at that to no avail....our coaching too many times has been our demise...and there been no accountability for it by upper management....or anyone accepting and admitting faut and that "yeah....maybe we could have went about it differently"....I have never heard an instance where we have admitted we fackked things up I`m not defending Zac, but Buck needed to adjust to Zac`s aging and he did not. If you are going to roster a 35+ year old QB then you gotta adjust as he ages and change the dynamics of what you are asking him to do. Perfect example is Harris in Saskatchewan. Guy can`t be touched without breaking so they changed how he is to QB based on that and developed a system that allows him outlets to get rid of the ball quicker while still moving the chains. If we are going to try roll out 2019 Zac every game we are not really being fair to him or the team at this point. Zac can be very productive still, but he needs an offence that evolves with him. Edited Friday at 09:08 PM by GCn20 Fatty Liver, BigBlueFanatic and wbbfan 1 2
Bigblue204 Posted Friday at 09:42 PM Report Posted Friday at 09:42 PM The 2nd half of the TO game near the end of the season was maybe the best adjustments Buck made in his time here. They came out in the 3rd and marched the ball down the field with quick passes and runs. That's what got them back into that game and I'm completely baffled they went away from that in the GC. wbbfan 1
wbbfan Posted Saturday at 12:37 AM Report Posted Saturday at 12:37 AM 6 hours ago, GCn20 said: You don't want to stifle Zac's game too much because what makes Zac great is that he can extend a play like no other. However, he does need to settle in sometimes and take the 5 yards. It's a balancing act for sure but a lot of Zac's "bullheadedness' in holding the ball so long the last couple years was a direct result of Buck's game plan and have no outlet for him to go to. It’s a really hard balance that is deep in the blind spot for us as fans. Is he willing to evolve his game to extend the last bit of his career? Is he capable? What does that look like? How much do you try to cover for his weaknesses (forcing the ball down field, holding it too long) and how much do you give him what he wants? I feel like both alleged finalists, Jackson and miller are well poised to deal with him. But it won’t be an easy job. It the oc balances that well the rest will fall in place. as has been said, he can’t run and escape like he used to. He also struggles mightily with rpo and option play in general. He’s shown flashes of really good up tempo play involving Timing routes and select screens. He does a lot better with this stuff off PA. He also likes to read down field back to the line, so stuff has to be designed around that. The offence also needs to have some development beyond zach. It’s very likely that the next oc will be here longer than zach at this point in his career. So we don’t just need some one who can excel with zach, but who can develop the next guy and involve him. Bigblue204 1
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