Colin Unger Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 The way i view it Chris Streveler was given a chance to showcase a skillset that he was born with at the CFL level. He's never demonstrated that he's developed into an adequate passer at the CFL level. At the time he signed in the NFL a few NFL teams were enamored by what the Saints were doing with a chance of pace QB and saw some footage of what Steveler could do with his legs. Somehow Streveler was able to squeeze enough juice out of that situation to earn himself an NFL pension and good for him. I'm happy he was able to do that. By no means is he some kind of testament to our QB developmental skills. When he comes an adequate passer at the CFL level I will change my tune on him in terms of being impressed by our QB development skills.
Booch Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 3 minutes ago, Colin Unger said: The way i view it Chris Streveler was given a chance to showcase a skillset that he was born with at the CFL level. He's never demonstrated that he's developed into an adequate passer at the CFL level. At the time he signed in the NFL a few NFL teams were enamored by what the Saints were doing with a chance of pace QB and saw some footage of what Steveler could do with his legs. Somehow Streveler was able to squeeze enough juice out of that situation to earn himself an NFL pension and good for him. I'm happy he was able to do that. By no means is he some kind of testament to our QB developmental skills. When he comes an adequate passer at the CFL level I will change my tune on him in terms of being impressed by our QB development skills. shown a chance??..Like a prolonged legit one running the playbook....when...i haven't witnessed that yet....and even when they gave him the start this yr with the stupidest game plan I think ever created he still slugged out a win....at the expense of his health until he got taken out with a cheap shot. And correct...our QB development skills wer a disgrace in regards to him....we had no clue how to use him...Maybe this newbie wearing the headset actually will....and get the most out of him...wouldnt say much about Lapo and Buck.....glad both are gone btw He was never use like Hill in New Orleans was... Tracker, Piggy 1, wbbfan and 1 other 3 1
Goalie Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 9 minutes ago, Colin Unger said: The way i view it Chris Streveler was given a chance to showcase a skillset that he was born with at the CFL level. He's never demonstrated that he's developed into an adequate passer at the CFL level. At the time he signed in the NFL a few NFL teams were enamored by what the Saints were doing with a chance of pace QB and saw some footage of what Steveler could do with his legs. Somehow Streveler was able to squeeze enough juice out of that situation to earn himself an NFL pension and good for him. I'm happy he was able to do that. By no means is he some kind of testament to our QB developmental skills. When he comes an adequate passer at the CFL level I will change my tune on him in terms of being impressed by our QB development skills. You mean outside the grey cup where he threw a dime to Andrew Harris for a TD a few years ago? The last time they actually let him be a QB. Blue28 and Noeller 2
Booch Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 games he started as a raw as can be rookie in his rookie yr he had 8 tds to 4 ints....3 to start the yr...BB...And part of the last game of yr also rushed for 268 yardsand 4 TD's.....then we went way off the rails developing him....no reason he cant be a dual threat QB IF allowed to Piggy 1, Stickem and wbbfan 3
GCn20 Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 11 minutes ago, Booch said: games he started as a raw as can be rookie in his rookie yr he had 8 tds to 4 ints....3 to start the yr...BB...And part of the last game of yr also rushed for 268 yardsand 4 TD's.....then we went way off the rails developing him....no reason he cant be a dual threat QB IF allowed to Strev is never going to be the 2nd coming of Dieter Brock. With his skill set he doesn't have to be. Will he ever be a bonafide starter in this league? Hard to say. However, he is a guy that can come in and win games if he has the right game plan given to him. BigBlueFanatic, wbbfan, Booch and 1 other 2 2
wbbfan Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 31 minutes ago, Booch said: shown a chance??..Like a prolonged legit one running the playbook....when...i haven't witnessed that yet....and even when they gave him the start this yr with the stupidest game plan I think ever created he still slugged out a win....at the expense of his health until he got taken out with a cheap shot. And correct...our QB development skills wer a disgrace in regards to him....we had no clue how to use him...Maybe this newbie wearing the headset actually will....and get the most out of him...wouldnt say much about Lapo and Buck.....glad both are gone btw He was never use like Hill in New Orleans was... Yeah I don’t get the take that strevy has his shot or can’t pass at all. We haven’t seen him run a normal offence in the cfl since 2018. We did see him run an offence with the jets in pre season. He needs to be allowed to run dynamically. He isn’t Mike Vick or Lamar Jackson. Being more of a power runner he shouldn’t be running a lot of designed plays. When he does they should be designed to get him in space for easy yards. Not hammering away option runs between the tackles. Tracker, Piggy 1 and Bigblue204 2 1
Pete Catan's Ghost Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 8 minutes ago, GCn20 said: Strev is never going to be the 2nd coming of Dieter Brock. Correct. Brock never won a cup. wbbfan, Tracker and Booch 3
Stickem Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 1 minute ago, wbbfan said: Yeah I don’t get the take that strevy has his shot or can’t pass at all. We haven’t seen him run a normal offence in the cfl since 2018. We did see him run an offence with the jets in pre season. He needs to be allowed to run dynamically. He isn’t Mike Vick or Lamar Jackson. Being more of a power runner he shouldn’t be running a lot of designed plays. When he does they should be designed to get him in space for easy yards. Not hammering away option runs between the tackles. The last sentence capsules it quite nicely....We know Streve has taken a lot of shots doing just that....IF we're going to run him, give him something where he can demonstrate his abilities better and bulling between the tackles ain't it.... wbbfan 1
bluto Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 Dukes has a limitation that defences around the league found after he started the season on fire. Once they schemed to take his slant routes away, he simply didn't adapt by showing that he could make them pay for it down the sidelines or over the top. Can he add that to his game? I don't think it's a tendency thing (where he looks short and mid first) I think it's more of a Zip thing, or a lack thereof. He's still 26 so I won't say it couldn't happen but there isn't all that much that a professional QB can do to give himself a better fastball... Having said that, he's still a better QB2 than what you have. Father Time is undefeated and Collaros doesn't appear young for his (advanced) age. It is within the realm of the likely-to-happen that your QB2 is leading your team this season. Tracker 1
Booch Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 2 minutes ago, Stickem said: The last sentence capsules it quite nicely....We know Streve has taken a lot of shots doing just that....IF we're going to run him, give him something where he can demonstrate his abilities better and bulling between the tackles ain't it.... easy fix....sprint outs...roll outs and slide protections moving the pocket.....if defence bites hit the open guy, and actually have 3 guys minimum to that side.....if they follow the recievers, his speed and power outside will have huge gobs of ground to eat up...and many of it he can take minimal hits Once teams know he is pass first but will run....it will cause fits...we did that maybe....no times last yr...but about 1000 pull the ball and run up the gut...like wtf...Kudos for him being a warrior and do anything for the team guy and taking that needless abuse until we broke him another point to ponder...The Faj won a Grey Cup as his coach schemed a gameplan to suit him....Th Faj..... 3 minutes ago, bluto said: Dukes has a limitation that defences around the league found after he started the season on fire. Once they schemed to take his slant routes away, he simply didn't adapt by showing that he could make them pay for it down the sidelines or over the top. Can he add that to his game? I don't think it's a tendency thing (where he looks short and mid first) I think it's more of a Zip thing, or a lack thereof. He's still 26 so I won't say it couldn't happen but there isn't all that much that a professional QB can do to give himself a better fastball... Having said that, he's still a better QB2 than what you have. Father Time is undefeated and Collaros doesn't appear young for his (advanced) age. It is within the realm of the likely-to-happen that your QB2 is leading your team this season. 26....looks 16 Piggy 1 and Bigblue204 2
GCn20 Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 3 minutes ago, bluto said: Dukes has a limitation that defences around the league found after he started the season on fire. Once they schemed to take his slant routes away, he simply didn't adapt by showing that he could make them pay for it down the sidelines or over the top. Can he add that to his game? I don't think it's a tendency thing (where he looks short and mid first) I think it's more of a Zip thing, or a lack thereof. He's still 26 so I won't say it couldn't happen but there isn't all that much that a professional QB can do to give himself a better fastball... Having said that, he's still a better QB2 than what you have. Father Time is undefeated and Collaros doesn't appear young for his (advanced) age. It is within the realm of the likely-to-happen that your QB2 is leading your team this season. Cameron Dukes is a young Fajardo without the Jesus Sprinkles. He can't make every throw and therefore has a low ceiling. You are way over rating him. Booch, TBURGESS and Tracker 1 1 1
bluto Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 (edited) 10 minutes ago, GCn20 said: Cameron Dukes is a young Fajardo without the Jesus Sprinkles. He can't make every throw and therefore has a low ceiling. You are way over rating him. I don't think I'm overrating him. I only said that he's a better option to put in to lead your team than Streveler, Wilson or Patterson. At this point that's what the evidence has showed me. I suppose the jury will be out on it unless and until any/all/none of them end up being a #1 somewhere. Edited February 10 by bluto Jesus sprinkles?? Tracker 1
GCn20 Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 18 minutes ago, bluto said: I don't think I'm overrating him. I only said that he's a better option to put in to lead your team than Streveler, Wilson or Patterson. At this point that's what the evidence has showed me. I suppose the jury will be out on it unless and until any/all/none of them end up being a #1 somewhere. I don't think Dukes is in any way, shape, or form better than Streveler if I wanted to, you know, win a game. Booch and wbbfan 1 1
wbbfan Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 40 minutes ago, bluto said: Dukes has a limitation that defences around the league found after he started the season on fire. Once they schemed to take his slant routes away, he simply didn't adapt by showing that he could make them pay for it down the sidelines or over the top. Can he add that to his game? I don't think it's a tendency thing (where he looks short and mid first) I think it's more of a Zip thing, or a lack thereof. He's still 26 so I won't say it couldn't happen but there isn't all that much that a professional QB can do to give himself a better fastball... Having said that, he's still a better QB2 than what you have. Father Time is undefeated and Collaros doesn't appear young for his (advanced) age. It is within the realm of the likely-to-happen that your QB2 is leading your team this season. Fajardo had the same issue. I bet Montreal would be the best move for him. he isn’t better than Wilson, or strevy. He is better than the rider off casts. His fit is also worse here than most any place else. We’ve seen Wilson and strevy in the worst possible situations. Dukes was spoon fed the best possible situation. Dukes is in the same tier as the rider off casts, but he’s ahead of them just based on potential. In the cfl, the qb2 is gonna be leading your team at some point. I would not be ok with dukes being qb2 short of a massive leap forward from him. Bigblue204, Booch and GCn20 2 1
GCn20 Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 (edited) 2 minutes ago, wbbfan said: Fajardo had the same issue. I bet Montreal would be the best move for him. he isn’t better than Wilson, or strevy. He is better than the rider off casts. His fit is also worse here than most any place else. We’ve seen Wilson and strevy in the worst possible situations. Dukes was spoon fed the best possible situation. Dukes is in the same tier as the rider off casts, but he’s ahead of them just based on potential. In the cfl, the qb2 is gonna be leading your team at some point. I would not be ok with dukes being qb2 short of a massive leap forward from him. Dukes will likely have better passing numbers than Strev, but Strev will win you more games. A lot more. If we had a healthy Strev to replace ZC in the cup last year, Bluto would know better than to say such an outlandish thing because he would have watched Strev run for a 100 yards and 2 TDs to get us the GC win. Edited February 10 by GCn20 wbbfan and TBURGESS 1 1
wbbfan Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 14 minutes ago, GCn20 said: I don't think Dukes is in any way, shape, or form better than Streveler if I wanted to, you know, win a game. Strev carried us for two games, with the worst ol play we’ve had since drew willys days, and the worst wr play too. Even worse offensive play call and game plan as well. Dukes was as protected as humanly possible by the situation and system he played in. And he was still meh. I would pass on dukes, cut both riders and take Masoli in a heat beat. Best chance to go into a game off the bench and win. But we have strevy so that won’t happen. All these guys below strevy Zach and Wilson are tc arms. 2 minutes ago, GCn20 said: Dukes will likely have better passing numbers than Strev, but Strev will win you more games. A lot more. If we had a healthy Strev to replace ZC in the cup last year, Bluto would know better than to say such an outlandish thing because he would have watched Strev run for a 100 yards and 2 TDs to get us the GC win. I think if you give Strev a decent system and let him make plays, he’d put pass dukes too. But I do agree, basically the worst case scenario with strevy is a guy who gives us hands down a better chance to win. rebusrankin and Piggy 1 2
Fatty Liver Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 30 minutes ago, Booch said: 10 minutes ago, wbbfan said: Fajardo had the same issue. I bet Montreal would be the best move for him. Hate to speculate a year away, but the way the roulette ball is bouncing along I think there's a fair chance Fajardo becomes the successor to Collaros next season if he retires. He's only 32 and he's not nearly as bad as many imagine. Depends how Ford does in Edm and if a clear successor emerges from the rabble of QB's Walters has assembled for this season, but the ball could possibly come to rest in the hands of Cody Fajardo.
17to85 Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 7 minutes ago, wbbfan said: Strev carried us for two games, with the worst ol play we’ve had since drew willys days, and the worst wr play too. Even worse offensive play call and game plan as well. He got us a win and dragged that calgary game to OT when collaros was well on his way to losing it in regulation. This **** talking of streveler is insane.... dude didn't forget how to play, our offensive coaching was hotngarbage last season. BigBlueFanatic, wbbfan, GCJenks and 6 others 3 6
Bigblue204 Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 6 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said: Hate to speculate a year away, but the way the roulette ball is bouncing along I think there's a fair chance Fajardo becomes the successor to Collaros next season if he retires. He's only 32 and he's not nearly as bad as many imagine. Depends how Ford does in Edm and if a clear successor emerges from the rabble of QB's Walters has assembled for this season, but the ball could possibly come to rest in the hands of Cody Fajardo. Not that I'd ever want that....but I'm honestly not sure Fajardo would ever come play for a team whos fans mocked him so much.
Fatty Liver Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 5 minutes ago, 17to85 said: He got us a win and dragged that calgary game to OT when collaros was well on his way to losing it in regulation. This **** talking of streveler is insane.... dude didn't forget how to play, our offensive coaching was hotngarbage last season. Haven't you heard he played in the NNNNNNNNNNNNNNFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!! rebusrankin 1
bigg jay Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 8 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said: Not that I'd ever want that....but I'm honestly not sure Fajardo would ever come play for a team whos fans mocked him so much. I don't care what team you root for, but if you haven't mocked Fajardo at some point in his career, you're not a real fan! 😂 GCJenks, rebusrankin, Bigblue204 and 5 others 3 1 4
bearpants Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 23 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said: Not that I'd ever want that....but I'm honestly not sure Fajardo would ever come play for a team whos fans mocked him so much. If he's looking for a job and the Bombers are the only team offering one... he's not going to turn it down out of spite wbbfan 1
do or die Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 We played Strev, when he was clearly hurt.....and put him in telegraphed situations, where D knew what was coming..... After all this time....to still have to speculate what he can or can't do......is simply a joke Another reason I don't miss Buck, one iota. BigBlueFanatic, wbbfan, Tracker and 1 other 3 1
17to85 Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 I like Buck, I think he did a lot of really good things for this team.... but last year... wooof that was bad on a lot of levels from the offense. rebusrankin, Noeller, Bigblue204 and 4 others 4 3
bluto Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 58 minutes ago, GCn20 said: I don't think Dukes is in any way, shape, or form better than Streveler if I wanted to, you know, win a game. I confess that I may be way off base here since I haven't bothered to go look it up, but I'd bet you a coke that Dukes has a better W-L than Streveler.
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