MOBomberFan Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 (edited) You know what's crazy to me? Jake Thomas needs only 1 sack and 16 games played to exceed Stan Mikawos (Bomber HoFer) in each category. Crazier still if COVID didn't cancel 2020 he might have already pulled it off. Is Jake Thomas actually a future Bomber HoFer? Edited February 11 by MOBomberFan err Noeller, Wanna-B-Fanboy, Fatty Liver and 2 others 2 1 1 1
wbbfan Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 26 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: We had that in 2019 & 2021. Instead of replacing veterans as we went along, we went to another style of defense that could win lots of regular season games but when we absolutely had to shut a team down to win a championship the past 3 years failed miserably. I just remember watching Thomas against the Argos being stood up & pushed back every play with our useless 3 man front. We didn't want Sayles. We didn’t want to pay sayles. Or Kongbo. Or stove. We thought every guy we ran out would perform at that level. Even Jake. And he/they didn’t.
wbbfan Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 22 minutes ago, MOBomberFan said: You know what's crazy to me? Jake Thomas needs only 1 sack and 16 games played to exceed Stan Mikawos (Bomber HoFer) in each category. Crazier still if COVID didn't cancel 2020 he might have already pulled it off. Is Jake Thomas actually a future Bomber HoFer? No doubt it’s crazy. It’s like Emmitt smith being the all time nfl rushing leader. But not even close to a top 5 or even 10 back. Is Jake a hofer? If mos has any thing to say lol. Honestly our dl talent in the all time pool hasn’t seen many guys join its rank in the past 30 years. I like Jake for a big chunk of his career, especially as a rotational 3tech. (Though I did want more dual big nt imps in 19/21) Im good if he goes into our hall. Hes a great guy and has played a very fruitful career here. Never a selfish moment. His usage since stove left isn’t his fault. I really hate what mos and others have done to guys like Jake. Watching guys run out who can’t play any more is awful. Unfortunately we’ve seen a hell of a lot of this the past 25 years. BigBlueFanatic, HardCoreBlue and MOBomberFan 3
Booch Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 59 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: We had that in 2019 & 2021. Instead of replacing veterans as we went along, we went to another style of defense that could win lots of regular season games but when we absolutely had to shut a team down to win a championship the past 3 years failed miserably. I just remember watching Thomas against the Argos being stood up & pushed back every play with our useless 3 man front. We didn't want Sayles. We didn't wanna pay...in hindsight a bad move 33 minutes ago, wbbfan said: We didn’t want to pay sayles. Or Kongbo. Or stove. We thought every guy we ran out would perform at that level. Even Jake. And he/they didn’t. Yup...we kept cheaping out...and our interior eroded away wbbfan 1
wbbfan Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 7 minutes ago, Booch said: We didn't wanna pay...in hindsight a bad move Yup...we kept cheaping out...and our interior eroded away I don’t get wanting to spend 230-300k on WRs, 200+ on a back and 600k on a qb but not paying dl. I’d much rather pay dl than wr or rb. rebusrankin and Booch 1 1
Brandon Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 1 hour ago, wbbfan said: No doubt it’s crazy. It’s like Emmitt smith being the all time nfl rushing leader. But not even close to a top 5 or even 10 back. Emmitt Smith was an 8 time all star and had several great seasons, far from Jake Thomas who has never came close to leading anything. Smith is always in the top 10 all time rbs in the league, usually in the top 5 after Sanders, Payton, Brown. A better example of a crappy HOF'er is Art Monk who only had 5 - 1000 yard receiving seasons in his 16 seasons and only 3 pro bowl selections. 2 of those seasons he barely passed the 1000 yard mark. Never lead the league in yards or TD's.
rebusrankin Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 A good example of a crappy HOF member is Troy Aikman. wbbfan 1
wbbfan Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 6 minutes ago, Brandon said: Emmitt Smith was an 8 time all star and had several great seasons, far from Jake Thomas who has never came close to leading anything. Smith is always in the top 10 all time rbs in the league, usually in the top 5 after Sanders, Payton, Brown. A better example of a crappy HOF'er is Art Monk who only had 5 - 1000 yard receiving seasons in his 16 seasons and only 3 pro bowl selections. 2 of those seasons he barely passed the 1000 yard mark. Never lead the league in yards or TD's. the comparison is the gap between mikawos and Jake which is massive. You could argue smith in the 90s before he played ages beyond his prime, but he’s as much a product of the system and talent around him as any one in the hof. You’re right about monk though. That is a better comparison. Rb is soo insanely deep with talent when you look at the guys from the late 90s to before rb load management, it’s not even funny. 2 minutes ago, rebusrankin said: A good example of a crappy HOF member is Troy Aikman. Larry Allen the most outstanding player on that offense imo. rebusrankin 1
Noeller Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 We're not talking about Jake as CFL HOF.... But WBBFC HOF? ....maybe....?
wbbfan Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 My rough top group of guys I’d take over smith. sanders, Peyton, lt, brown, Peterson, oj, Faulk, the bus, Dickerson, Henry, gore, and a few guys like mccaffrey, Holmes, Alexander, and Johnson. I think if you swap any of those guys, reasonably healthy onto any of smiths teams they wouldn’t miss a beat. And bring more dynamic play making/explosiveness. people talk about Marino not bringing home a ring aikman being a product of the system and talent. But they’re both ahead of smith for me. Aikman not far in front though lol. Durable as hell though. I’ll give him that. 4 minutes ago, Noeller said: We're not talking about Jake as CFL HOF.... But WBBFC HOF? ....maybe....? Ya. Which I could see. I think a lot of the 2 ring core vets will get a look. Noeller and rebusrankin 2
Brandon Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 The issue with Thomas is that the numbers don't always tell the full story. Several times in the last few seasons he has had gimmie sacks where WJ has two guys hanging off of him and is driving the qb out of the pocket and chasing him down and Thomas gets the easy sack since he's at this point climbed back up after being pushed down and is the only guy on the d-line who isn't being blocked so he can make the easy tackle. I can't think of many or if any "highlights" that Jake Thomas has had in any of the games he has played in. Maybe it's just me being critical and he has made big plays that I'm ignoring... I just can't remember any of them. I don't know for any of our post game threads if anyone has had Thomas in the top 3 or has given him a HH award. Tracker and BigBlueFanatic 2
Mark H. Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 50 minutes ago, Brandon said: I can't think of many or if any "highlights" that Jake Thomas has had in any of the games he has played in. Maybe it's just me being critical and he has made big plays that I'm ignoring... I just can't remember any of them. Back in the day, when he was younger and on the DL with guys like Westerman, Jeffcoat et. al. those guys could bring the heat. Noeller, wbbfan and BigBlueFanatic 3
wbbfan Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Brandon said: The issue with Thomas is that the numbers don't always tell the full story. Several times in the last few seasons he has had gimmie sacks where WJ has two guys hanging off of him and is driving the qb out of the pocket and chasing him down and Thomas gets the easy sack since he's at this point climbed back up after being pushed down and is the only guy on the d-line who isn't being blocked so he can make the easy tackle. I can't think of many or if any "highlights" that Jake Thomas has had in any of the games he has played in. Maybe it's just me being critical and he has made big plays that I'm ignoring... I just can't remember any of them. I don't know for any of our post game threads if anyone has had Thomas in the top 3 or has given him a HH award. I think his play as a nose blinds a lot of his earlier play at 3. It is frequently designed that an end closes the pocket from behind and frees up a sack for another dl. JJ created soo many sacks for so many guys it’s not even funny. I recall him having a HH play on a turn over on downs play stopping a back with one arm while the other arm was full of ol. But idr what year that was lol. 11 minutes ago, Mark H. said: Back in the day, when he was younger and on the DL with guys like Westerman, Jeffcoat et. al. those guys could bring the heat. Westermans get off move was insane. He rushed the passer like a slot back on the waggle he was soo quick with the first steps. Mark H. 1
do or die Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 I like Jake.....you like Jake....we all like Jake.... But bottom line....too many snaps, last season. Can't have more of this nonsense, moving forward. Key word: forward.
SpeedFlex27 Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 8 hours ago, Booch said: We didn't wanna pay...in hindsight a bad move Yup...we kept cheaping out...and our interior eroded away Looks like we'll be running the same defense again, as well. Unless we sign a couple of vets for the DL in free agency. 8 hours ago, wbbfan said: We didn’t want to pay sayles. Or Kongbo. Or stove. We thought every guy we ran out would perform at that level. Even Jake. And he/they didn’t. Kind of arrogant mistakes that eventually takes a team from first to worst. Seen it a hundred times in football. Tracker 1
SpeedFlex27 Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 (edited) Emmitt Smith had the Great Wall of Dallas blocking for him. I'd take Tony Dorsett over Smith in a heartbeat. 3 hours ago, do or die said: I like Jake.....you like Jake....we all like Jake.... But bottom line....too many snaps, last season. Can't have more of this nonsense, moving forward. Key word: forward. As long as Thomas is on the roster & O'Shea is the HC he'll play a regular rotation. Edited February 11 by SpeedFlex27
Booch Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 10 hours ago, wbbfan said: I don’t get wanting to spend 230-300k on WRs, 200+ on a back and 600k on a qb but not paying dl. I’d much rather pay dl than wr or rb. Paying a couple dominant dline guys in the 200...230 range is money well spent Longevity shouldn't be currency into any h.o.f Maybe if were a perennial all star...and did it as well in Golden yrs like Big Stan Too many factors could contribute to the longevity...crapraccular teams...teachers pet...etc wbbfan 1
Bigblue204 Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 So what's everyone's take on Jake Thomas? Feel like we've barely scratched the surface with that discussion. rebusrankin, Tracker, HardCoreBlue and 7 others 10
GCn20 Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said: So what's everyone's take on Jake Thomas? Feel like we've barely scratched the surface with that discussion. Yep, been a while since anyone mentioned him. Is he back? Not sure I heard anything about him re-signing. Bigblue204 1
Booch Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 22 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said: So what's everyone's take on Jake Thomas? Feel like we've barely scratched the surface with that discussion. who? Tracker, Bigblue204 and HardCoreBlue 3
blue85gold Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 Strev basically saying that Buck never gave him a chance last year Quote "As excited as Streveler is to return to the only CFL family he knows, he wanted to get a few assurances before signing on the dotted line. That included calling Hogan shortly after news broke that he has taken over as the team’s new offensive co-ordinator, replacing Buck Pierce, who is the new head coach of the B.C. Lions. Streveler wanted to make sure he wasn’t walking into a similar situation as last year. “Things happened last year where it just didn’t work out the way that I think anyone envisioned it would, on a lot of different fronts,” Streveler said, adding he’s excited to see what Hogan can do. “I’ve had some really good discussions with people, specifically within the Bombers. Had I not had those conversations with someone and felt excited, it would have probably been a different conversation, right?” " https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2025/02/10/streveler-finds-time-to-re-sign-with-bombers Super Duper Negatron, wbbfan, rebusrankin and 2 others 5
Super Duper Negatron Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 12 minutes ago, blue85gold said: Strev basically saying that Buck never gave him a chance last year https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2025/02/10/streveler-finds-time-to-re-sign-with-bombers Would have loved our media to press the coaches on this last year to get some answers, but alas. BigBlueFanatic, Bigblue204, wbbfan and 1 other 4
MOBomberFan Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 Was Buck ever made available to the press in the weeks following the GC? I don't ever recall hearing a peep from him until the HC discussions started up rebusrankin 1
rebusrankin Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 Interesting comments from Streveler. wpgallday1960 1
Booch Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 was pretty obvious....even in practice/skelly....he got no reps running anything resembling an offence....so when he got in he always had to work out rut...timing and processing things basically from scratch and no practice...of course he would start out slow....Look at ZC the first 2..3 weeks with no reps in TC...looked like hot garbage Lapo started the deconstruction of him...Buck almost ruined him and got him basically murdered....looking forward to him being an actual QB....Will be huge for us I bet down the stretch Just now, rebusrankin said: Interesting comments from Streveler. you'de be surprised the other interesting comments you could get from others.... wpgallday1960 and rebusrankin 2
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