2024/2025 Blue Bombers Off-Season Thread

[wbbfan]

8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Ford just seems like a wasted pick. We drafted him in 2022. I can't remember if he was even here in 2022. Then he went on a year long NFL sojourn in 2023 & came back for one season last year.

Ford became an all star & now has left for Edmonton because Walters doesn't feel CB's are worth what Edmonton paid. And Tyrell wanted to play with Tre. So, I won't fault Walters much on that. What I will fault is his unwillingness to pay players in certain positions like CB because Walters feel after a certain point it's an overpayment. Times have changed. 

Walters didn't want to pay Dobson what other CFL teams were willing to pay. To me, that was a mistake losing a potentially great young OL. We already have a veteran Center who may be the worst at his position in the CFL. Yet, he continues to play & draw a hefty salary for what he's worth. Kolankowski is who he is yet Walters & Osh seem satisfied with what he brings as a player.

Why? We can all see his limitations yet he continues to play. Isn't that an overpayment of sorts? We allow someone like Dobson to walk because we don't want to pay what other teams will yet still overpay to keep Kolankowski as a starting Center. It makes no sense. So then, pay Dobson. Keep one quality free agent on our team. At least our OL would have been solidified. Nope, Walters lets Dobson walk. With at least $10 million sitting in the bank & the salary cap raised to $6.06 million plus an unexpected a windfall of $400 grand in salary cap money, we can't spend any more money??

As WBBFan said, all we're doing now is developing Canadian players for other teams. We draft them, they come here, play a year or two & leave with nothing positive to show for it. That has to stop. We need to reset & refocus as an organization. We have to be willing to re up our best young players. That should be the focus. I could give a **** about some over the hill player like Jake Thomas. who seemed to be a priority signing over Dobson. Where we used to be on top of things before. Now, there's a lot of failings.

He was here iirc. He was late to arrive from an NFL camp, but he was on our AR for a good chunk of 22, like 2/3rds of the games. He played a lot of teams and rotated some on D. He started the last game or two and played really well. 

Yeah it does feel like a wasted pick. It is kind of tough for us to have a Canadian for basically 1.5 seasons out of the draft. 

I like dobson, but I wouldn't have given him the star payment for a level he hasn't reached yet either. Especially with wallace waiting. But the OL pipeline is a whole lot dried than it has been at any point before. 

 

[Bigblue204]

Honestly I don't even know why they're going to play this season. It's already over for them 

[blue85gold]

59 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

He was here iirc. He was late to arrive from an NFL camp, but he was on our AR for a good chunk of 22, like 2/3rds of the games. He played a lot of teams and rotated some on D. He started the last game or two and played really well. 

Yeah it does feel like a wasted pick. It is kind of tough for us to have a Canadian for basically 1.5 seasons out of the draft. 

I like dobson, but I wouldn't have given him the star payment for a level he hasn't reached yet either. Especially with wallace waiting. But the OL pipeline is a whole lot dried than it has been at any point before. 

 

Based on how a lot of draftees turn out, getting one all-star season out a 2nd round pick is pretty good. 

Anthony Bennett and Faith E now those were wasted picks.

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

He was here iirc. He was late to arrive from an NFL camp, but he was on our AR for a good chunk of 22, like 2/3rds of the games. He played a lot of teams and rotated some on D. He started the last game or two and played really well. 

Yeah it does feel like a wasted pick. It is kind of tough for us to have a Canadian for basically 1.5 seasons out of the draft. 

I like dobson, but I wouldn't have given him the star payment for a level he hasn't reached yet either. Especially with wallace waiting. But the OL pipeline is a whole lot dried than it has been at any point before. 

 

Yeah, we knew Ford was gone. They decided they didn't want lawler. Alright then, pay Dobson. A young guy with 18 regular season games, playoffs & grey Cup experience. As you say wbbfab, we seem to draft & develop now for other teams & Walters just shrugs his shoulders like it's no big deal. We don't have the depth anymore. Especially on the OL to just plug in the next guy to play. 

[wbbfan]

Just now, SpeedFlex27 said:

Yeah, we knew Ford was gone. They decided they didn't want lawler. Alright then, pay Dobson. A young guy with 18 regular season games, playoffs & grey Cup experience. As you say wbbfab, we seem to draft & develop now for other teams & Walters just shrugs his shoulders like it's no big deal. We don't have the depth anymore. Especially on the OL to just plug in the next guy to play. 

Yeah. I get that we don't want to chase every players highest potential raise. But we've really shied away as soon as any top level player his free agency. At some point you gotta win more of those battles, and you need to drive up other teams FA prices as well. You have to be a destination for star players. If you aren't a destination you'll never be more than a launch pad. 

[blue85gold]

30 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Yeah. I get that we don't want to chase every players highest potential raise. But we've really shied away as soon as any top level player his free agency. At some point you gotta win more of those battles, and you need to drive up other teams FA prices as well. You have to be a destination for star players. If you aren't a destination you'll never be more than a launch pad. 

I get what you're saying but they locked up Schoen and Brady last year for top $. Two star guys in their prime.

Who has won anything recently making FAs the top paid players?  

[Booch]

10 hours ago, GCn20 said:

That's what Lawler made last year. There would have been minimal cap impact. We shed a ton of salary and have not spent much of it at all. We could have easily signed Lawler at 275 and still gone big game hunting.

Bighill, Alexander, Lawler..that alone is 300k in new SMS space. New players probably around 100k into that so far.

not signing Thomas....Dumping Kolo....more for the kitty too....and both easily replaces....better options already on the roster....

 

9 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

There was room for Dobson but Walters chose not to pay. Of all the free agents on this team, he was the one who should have been the most important. If you can't sign three then at least sign one. Dobson. 

yup...we draft and develop....and then they go...Ford...Desjarlais...Couture....Kongbo....Dobson....BOLO...even guys like Hansen who would have served use here.....No succession plan it seems...Had Cole for several yrs developing...one our best ST guys...and could play various spots on defense...gone.....Garbutt barely 2 yrs here... shown great potential. Was stilll cutting his teeth and like soooo many here claim...guys need to have a few yrs to earn a spot thats why Osh wont play em....gone...and there are others...we turn over the wrong parts of our roster....the bottom 5th...the straight teamers are easily replaced and cycled....we do it with succession guys or actual depth....and thats not even touching on our pathetic allocation of assets on our PR

We been sleep walking for yrs now.....since 2021...if people haven't noticed it they blind....clinging on to the past and what worked before is not a great sustainability plan....and now we scuffling to have a complete and deep roster...as it sits right now a lot of "ifs" and " we hopes" for several spots...and still have some massive holes to fill....and counting on TC and new guys brought in to fill/fix isn't a process we use here unless we forced to due to injury or defection...we have seen that in spades yr over yr...and just the fact we re-signed some guys...and didnt dump some others is a pretty good indication we gonna see more of the same....hope I am wrong and will eat it during the yr.....gladly as I want success.....but until proven otherwise by seeing it...and results I aint holding my breath...

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Yeah. I get that we don't want to chase every players highest potential raise. But we've really shied away as soon as any top level player his free agency. At some point you gotta win more of those battles, and you need to drive up other teams FA prices as well. You have to be a destination for star players. If you aren't a destination you'll never be more than a launch pad. 

We landed zero high impact/high interest/better than what we had players this off-season so far in FA

Logan def better than what we had....Jones as well but how/where we gonna use him...We all know Osh will show loyalty even when not valid...and there is Wilson and the other Jones and Kramdi in his way...I guess you could say Ayers too.....I wanna see a legit TC this yr where jobs are earned....we havnt really seen that in a while

[Booch]

32 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

I get what you're saying but they locked up Schoen and Brady last year for top $. Two star guys in their prime.

Who has won anything recently making FAs the top paid players?  

T.O spent a lot on Perv boy...Flo...Ceresna...McManus....among a few others....and have 2 cups outta 3 to show for it....both against us btw....

We spent big bucks on guys we retained...past their usefulness or on the decline...maybe money would have been better spent replacing them and then retaining them...I dunno...just spitballin 😉

[blue85gold]

10 minutes ago, Booch said:

T.O spent a lot on Perv boy...Flo...Ceresna...McManus....among a few others....and have 2 cups outta 3 to show for it....both against us btw....

We spent big bucks on guys we retained...past their usefulness or on the decline...maybe money would have been better spent replacing them and then retaining them...I dunno...just spitballin 😉

Ya McManus is worth it for sure but he's the best D player in the league. 

Kelly was on a rookie contract for the first cup and didn't even play in this years. 

Ceresna they traded for and then lost immediately when he was FA again. 

Overall TO isn't going out chasing all the flashy FAs and paying top $. That isn't how they won the 2 of the last 3. 

Spending all that money on Schoen and Lawler last year bit us when they got hurt and there was no one left but rookies to play. 

[blue85gold]

21 minutes ago, Booch said:

 

We landed zero high impact/high interest/better than what we had players this off-season so far in FA

Logan def better than what we had....Jones as well but how/where we gonna use him...We all know Osh will show loyalty even when not valid...and there is Wilson and the other Jones and Kramdi in his way...I guess you could say Ayers too.....I wanna see a legit TC this yr where jobs are earned....we havnt really seen that in a while

True but who was really available to get?

Ceresna was always going to Edm. 

Brinkman would have been nice.

Geno Lewis? Price tag exceeds production. 

 

[Goalie]

41 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

True but who was really available to get?

Ceresna was always going to Edm. 

Brinkman would have been nice.

Geno Lewis? Price tag exceeds production. 

 

I’m under the impression ceresna and brinkman were gonna end up in the same place along with Robbie smith. And they all did. In reality none of the “high profile” free agents were coming here. They were going to the highest bidder and the highest bidder is never the teams who were just in the cup. We lost a receiver and defensive back, both appear to be overpaid, Toronto lost their entire D line.  Montreal didn’t spend like morons. Bombers didn’t either, depth appears improved tho. Normally the bad teams spend like fools in the off season and they did. And if that worked then bc and Hamilton would be in cup finals and winning but they haven’t. 
 

its like the nhl free agent frenzy. Jets don’t sign any big names (there’s reasons lol) but every year ppl complain when they don’t. But they are currently the best team in the league but in July ppl were pissed they didnt overpay a guy to come here. Teams who spend spend spend on hockey and the cfl, they don’t really win. Baseball the only sport where you can probably buy a winner and basketball but even then you only get Yankees vs dodgers once every 20 years in the final. 
 

as for the whole we lost 3 in a row stuff, things happen in single game winner take all scenarios. The undefeated patriots lost to the giants. The 14 and 4 bombers lost to an 8 and 10 Calgary team. Kansas city just got owned by Philly. It happens. That’s sports. 

Edited Thursday at 04:20 PM by Goalie

[Fatty Liver]

2 hours ago, blue85gold said:

I get what you're saying but they locked up Schoen and Brady last year for top $. Two star guys in their prime.

Who has won anything recently making FAs the top paid players?  

Seems like they've maybe had a change of philosophy from previous years, almost acting like they got their hands slapped for overspending last season.  Playing with analytics maybe they're taking a Moneyball approach, pay less, get more, especially from the receiving corps.

I think they have a belief in paying their core of star players high to initially attract and retain them, and not valuing the grunt workers that play in between anything more than league average salaries.  For ex. If a player like Neufeld is being paid $130-$140k, they can't justify paying someone like Dobson anywhere near $200k, which would also be more than Stanley is making, it would throw their salary structure out of whack.

[17to85]

So what holes do people see on the roster? 

Cause there aren't as many as it might appear... yeah we'd all like an upgrade at centre but obviously they don't see the same pressing need as we do so that's never going to happen... yeah we all want Jake Thomas to retire,  but they obviously want a Canadian on the DL so that is what it is. Pretty obvious the DL is going to be daughters, woods, Canadian, Jefferson with Adams as depth #1. That leave is your depth as the pieces to fill and yes they lost some bodies who were that depth, but maybe they want more than those guys brought.  We lost Lawler which sucks, but they did add a veteran piece and schoen is back. Receiving corp should be ok, again it's depth that needs padded.

[Bigblue204]

no glaring holes. But our OL/DL don't fill me with confidence right now. That may change before the season and will hopefully change during with their play. But right now I'd like to see a few more bodies brought in. I'm guessing the draft will provide some and whatever shakes loose in the weeks leading up to TC.

[Fatty Liver]

7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

So what holes do people see on the roster? 

Cause there aren't as many as it might appear... yeah we'd all like an upgrade at centre but obviously they don't see the same pressing need as we do so that's never going to happen... yeah we all want Jake Thomas to retire,  but they obviously want a Canadian on the DL so that is what it is. Pretty obvious the DL is going to be daughters, woods, Canadian, Jefferson with Adams as depth #1. That leave is your depth as the pieces to fill and yes they lost some bodies who were that depth, but maybe they want more than those guys brought.  We lost Lawler which sucks, but they did add a veteran piece and schoen is back. Receiving corp should be ok, again it's depth that needs padded.

DE, I'd be surprised if Vaughters stays healthy the entire season, if he goes down, don't know who they'll have to plug into his spot.  Rotation wise it would be nice to have 4 solid DE's on the roster to start the season.

[Booch]

2 hours ago, blue85gold said:

Ya McManus is worth it for sure but he's the best D player in the league. 

Kelly was on a rookie contract for the first cup and didn't even play in this years. 

Ceresna they traded for and then lost immediately when he was FA again. 

Overall TO isn't going out chasing all the flashy FAs and paying top $. That isn't how they won the 2 of the last 3. 

Spending all that money on Schoen and Lawler last year bit us when they got hurt and there was no one left but rookies to play. 

I wasnt talking bout first....but in second they still payed the salary...and we didnt trade for anyone cause???...oh yeah..."we good"...Flo was up for trade....we didnt land it..McManus yuip is good....reeeaaaal good...we didnt offer an offer too good to refuse why???...and if we payed premium....there is ways to mitigate it...Release Thomas...Move Kramdi to Mtl and play Parker there at prob half the cost.....where there is a will...there is a way...we have lost the will it seems...to compacent..too comfortable...too many consecutive season ending failures...u see the connection??

Other teams had rookies play...and play well....Schoen was off the books basically from start of season and we knew he wasn't coming back...there was 200k to play with there via trade....signing in U.S that would come if payed...we stood pat

1 hour ago, blue85gold said:

True but who was really available to get?

Ceresna was always going to Edm. 

Brinkman would have been nice.

Geno Lewis? Price tag exceeds production. 

 

There was a lot....Coulda traded for Flow...Yeah Brinkman...Hendrix...even Oakman would have been a get....Rhymes...Lewis as well...in a deep group...great get....Adeleke..Couture..Mcewan...any punter not maned Sheehan...Kongbo was available...Bolo would serve more use than Cobb....

again....when there is the will to get better....there are many avenues to do it

26 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Seems like they've maybe had a change of philosophy from previous years, almost acting like they got their hands slapped for overspending last season.  Playing with analytics maybe they're taking a Moneyball approach, pay less, get more, especially from the receiving corps.

I think they have a belief in paying their core of star players high to initially attract and retain them, and not valuing the grunt workers that play in between anything more than league average salaries.  For ex. If a player like Neufeld is being paid $130-$140k, they can't justify paying someone like Dobson anywhere near $200k, which would also be more than Stanley is making, it would throw their salary structure out of whack.

why not....its always been a young...key Canadian Oline guy  is gonna cost you a premiun...even more than clearly better Imports....it is what it is...Neuf is on down side...and been knicked....so paying a dDobson or the likes more is standard business....Christ we wayyyyy over pay for what we get at SAM....Thats ludicrous, maybe if he was best in league and a perenial all-star difference maker...but he aint...wasteful when you can fill that role with a cheaper import...and better

Our allocation is way out of whack and it hinders us elsewhere.....Half a million in BO and Demski....600k a QB in decline....prob 500k in 2 db's and a SAM....over 100k in a DT that should at best take no reps....and isnt even needed for ratio....

14 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

So what holes do people see on the roster? 

Cause there aren't as many as it might appear... yeah we'd all like an upgrade at centre but obviously they don't see the same pressing need as we do so that's never going to happen... yeah we all want Jake Thomas to retire,  but they obviously want a Canadian on the DL so that is what it is. Pretty obvious the DL is going to be daughters, woods, Canadian, Jefferson with Adams as depth #1. That leave is your depth as the pieces to fill and yes they lost some bodies who were that depth, but maybe they want more than those guys brought.  We lost Lawler which sucks, but they did add a veteran piece and schoen is back. Receiving corp should be ok, again it's depth that needs padded.

Who's starting at left guard...and who is the back-up...are we wasting a roster spot on a 7th oline guy again...and if so..who?...right now it would like it has to be an import so again...a colossal waste of a DA spot...again!!

Who is the rotational d-end that isnt a place holder....Vaughters would have been great as the 3rd guy to rotate with WJ and..whomever....as it stands will be a raw rookie...or we put JT out there again??...good god!

Interior dline...wheres the stud/difference maker??...we didnt have one last year that got to establish himself tho I believ with majority of reps Woods and Adams could be great....our dline is weak right now...and just because we have "bodies" doesnt necessarily make it deep..

Who's pushing the punter...or is he defacto the guy......Schoen..White...Lawson..Strev...all question marks until proven they are healed...and/or what they were...wheres the contingecy plan there?...we have a lot of work to do and TC like I mentioned better be an actual real..open competition with the best man winning...regardless of nationality...vet status or tenure here

[Pete]

some can complain about how Walters has handled free agency this year but when you break down the signings

they are all at or below perceived market value. Are any an overpay?

VAUGHTERS    160

T .JONES          120

HAGGARTY       85

STERNS             85

MITCHELL        148

WHITE               90

LOGAN            108

HOLM              130 then you look at Lawler 275K, Ford 230K  and Dobson 200k  it would have been poor mgmt to match those or really any of the big names with the possible exception of Ceresna at 230

[Booch]

Just now, Pete said:

some can complain about how Walters has handled free agency this year but when you break down the signings

they are all at or below perceived market value. Are any an overpay?

VAUGHTERS    160

T .JONES          120

HAGGARTY       85

STERNS             85

MITCHELL        148

WHITE               90

LOGAN            108

HOLM              130 then you look at Lawler 275K, Ford 230K  and Dobson 200k  it would have been poor mgmt to match those or really any of the big names with the possible exception of Ceresna at 230

none of them should have been an over pay....so damn good thing

[HardCoreBlue]

19 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

So what holes do people see on the roster? 

Cause there aren't as many as it might appear... yeah we'd all like an upgrade at centre but obviously they don't see the same pressing need as we do so that's never going to happen... yeah we all want Jake Thomas to retire,  but they obviously want a Canadian on the DL so that is what it is. Pretty obvious the DL is going to be daughters, woods, Canadian, Jefferson with Adams as depth #1. That leave is your depth as the pieces to fill and yes they lost some bodies who were that depth, but maybe they want more than those guys brought.  We lost Lawler which sucks, but they did add a veteran piece and schoen is back. Receiving corp should be ok, again it's depth that needs padded.

Not holes, uncertainties (but hoping for the best) of how things are going to play out as in how will our interior dline, Ol, ZC and CS tandem, DS health, BO use, loss of Lawler, new additions brought on, loss of Ford etc etc hold up to getting us to the Cup and winning it. I think its reasonable to hold these uncertainties sprinkled with hopeful optimism (tho my optimism varies per position).

[3rdand1.5]

Cdn depth is weaker......

O-line and D-line are what I see as a "concern"

Cdn depth, is less and weaker than last year.

Oline, is weaker today as we "lost" Dobson we may go three imports or Wallace may take the spot......we may have a surprise, or a draft pick exceeds his growth curve...but today this is unknown and as such it is weaker IMO

D-line, was IMO weak last year and while Vaughters helps, it is still IMO not strong enough.....too many "maybe" variables for me...Is Lawson recovered, will he be a force, does Vaughters fit, can he log the extra minutes, has Willy taken a step back, will Woods trajectory continue to trend up? etc.  Too many unproven variables...so IMO as of today a concern

As I said and others have said it appears we have a great RB core, a great QB core, our receiver core while not as high a ceiling has a much-improved floor, our specials are better, I really believe or LB care is stronger, and I feel passport and CDN depth aside our D-backfield is as strong as it was last year.

CDN depth in relation to injuries and overall depth is a concern, our d-line over-all is a concern and depth and CDN talent on the Oline is a concern......

I don't feel we have had a great offseason thus far, but certainly nowhere near as bad as some feel it has been...I actually like the fiscally responsible direction, and I do strongly believe that none of Lawler, Dobson or Ford where worth to us what they got paid elsewhere, even though Ford and Lawler are very high, ceiling (passport/talent) players......

[wbbfan]

3 hours ago, blue85gold said:

I get what you're saying but they locked up Schoen and Brady last year for top $. Two star guys in their prime.

Who has won anything recently making FAs the top paid players?  

They did, but before fa right. And tbh one was a good price that off set the other who was expensive.  
 It’s not about top pay, it’s about getting those top guys. We paid top dollar to guys to prevent free agency any way. We’ve seen plenty of strong value at dl in fa the last few years. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

OL is a major and ongoing problem.  Bryant could fall off a cliff anytime, struggled early last year before taking a bit of a break, Neufeld has been pretty bad most of the past 2 seasons.  Hope is they always can fire up in October.  At this point I'd be looking hard at upgrading all 5 spots and adding depth everyday if I were coaching/managing this team.

Next, I'd say receiver room is looking like a bit of a mess.  Lots of hope for bounce back from poor seasons/injuries.  Really need Schoen to be the guy again and hopefully unearth someone who is in that #1 or #2 target realm.  Hope between Mitchell and Stearns/White the 3-4 target roles are covered.  Still waiting on those big targets that Collaros has tended to succeed with.  By my count we have one guy over 6'2 coming back in Jaylen Hall from last year who couldn't make the team when we were down two starters almost right from the get-go.

Not really worried about the D at all.  They do need to work on pass rush though, and be ready to move Vaughters down the roster if he looks cooked.  I'd like to see 2-3 legit edge rusher prospects in camp and pressing for work.  It's been awhile.

[Pete]

23 minutes ago, Booch said:

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why not....its always been a young...key Canadian Oline guy  is gonna cost you a premiun...even more than clearly better Imports....it is what it is...Neuf is on down side...and been knicked....so paying a dDobson or the likes more is standard business....Christ we wayyyyy over pay for what we get at SAM....Thats ludicrous, maybe if he was best in league and a perenial all-star difference maker...but he aint...wasteful when you can fill that role with a cheaper import...and better

I don't get it we should drop Kramdl who according to pff was in the top two sams in the league, at 130k and go with an import. And sign Dobson at 200 k so we don't have to replace him with an import.? The ratio is still the same . Btw Randolph will likely be an upgrade I'm not sure even if Dobson stayed, we wouldn't have gone with Randolph as a starter.)

Our allocation is way out of whack and it hinders us elsewhere.....Half a million in BO and Demski....600k a QB in decline....prob 500k in 2 db's and a SAM....over 100k in a DT that should at best take no reps....and isn't even needed for ratio.... 

Back to Thomas AGAIN. enuff

Interior dline...wheres the stud/difference maker??...we didnt have one last year that got to establish himself tho I believ with majority of reps Woods and Adams could be great....our dline is weak right now...and just because we have "bodies" doesnt necessarily make it deep..

Our dline will be better. it couldn't be worse could it? Vaughters is a definite upgrade, and so is Lawson. Play Adams and Woods and it will be fine. Now we just need to count on scouts to find a rotational end.

Who's pushing the punter...or is he defacto the guy......Schoen..White...Lawson..Strev...all question marks until proven they are healed...and/or what they were...wheres the contingecy plan there?...we have a lot of work to do and TC like I mentioned better be an actual real..open competition with the best man winning...regardless of nationality...vet status or tenure here

Contingency for Schoen not being ready on time is why we signed  Mitchell, White and Sterns,  For Strev its Patterson. I agree that there needs to be true competition. AND let the best player play.

 

Edited Thursday at 06:13 PM by Pete

[17to85]

24 minutes ago, Booch said:

Who's starting at left guard...and who is the back-up...

Wallace/Eli/American....

Honestly the DL was a problem last year so why we kvetching that garbutt and haba and fox are all gone? Woods and adams were the best of the bunch and last I looked they kept them... so scouts do your job and find more guys who can play. 

Ol was a problem last year too so why are we worrying that we lost Dobson?

I get the frustration, but a lot of those frustrations aren't related to free agency, they are related to the team having a different vision than some of us here.

[Booch]

32 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

dont look at PFF...Anyone with any football back ground wont

31 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Wallace/Eli/American....

Honestly the DL was a problem last year so why we kvetching that garbutt and haba and fox are all gone? Woods and adams were the best of the bunch and last I looked they kept them... so scouts do your job and find more guys who can play. 

Ol was a problem last year too so why are we worrying that we lost Dobson?

I get the frustration, but a lot of those frustrations aren't related to free agency, they are related to the team having a different vision than some of us here.

thats just your assumption....but I agree likely....Our oline depth tho is severely compromised now and thin...

I not even sure in the grand scheme if 3 imports makes us better, as we eat up an import spot then from defense or ST's/Rotation somewhere...and do we need to roster another import oline guy as a DA further weakening the over all roster?

If Eli gets to take over at Center keeping KOLO as the 6th is a bad move as he only can play center...he's useless anywhere else in addition to being a weak center...so not a good 6th 

we have some issues...to may ifs and buts right now...camp will be interesting

Maybe we holding back some cash right now for a draft day deal or 2....that could fix a few things right there