2024/2025 Blue Bombers Off-Season Thread

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

thats more an indication of our practice roster than anything

Sure, but you're not going to fix that in September.  You got a guy ready to play who is already well acquainted with your QB and offense on the street.

[Super Duper Negatron]

2 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Sure, but you're not going to fix that in September.  You got a guy ready to play who is already well acquainted with your QB and offense on the street.

We could have fixed it in July when we wasted 6 weeks on Johnson.

[Brandon]

35 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

We could have fixed it in July when we wasted 6 weeks on Johnson.

It doesn't seem like the old days when the club would sign an NFL cut mid season and that guy would make an impact right away.   It feels like we try guys out in pre season and then roll them out through the year and never bring anyone else unless we run out of guys from injuries.   

 

[17to85]

1 minute ago, Brandon said:

It doesn't seem like the old days when the club would sign an NFL cut mid season and that guy would make an impact right away.   It feels like we try guys out in pre season and then roll them out through the year and never bring anyone else unless we run out of guys from injuries.   

 

That's a league thing. Guys don't get cut from the NFL who can step in anymore

 

[rebusrankin]

If rookie receivers don't know what they're doing is that an indication of poor coaching?

[Nolby]

33 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

If rookie receivers don't know what they're doing is that an indication of poor coaching?

Can be a little of column A and B.

[MOBomberFan]

Dalton Schoen won ROTY in 2022, is that an indication of excellent coaching?

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

It doesn't seem like the old days when the club would sign an NFL cut mid season and that guy would make an impact right away.   It feels like we try guys out in pre season and then roll them out through the year and never bring anyone else unless we run out of guys from injuries.   

 

It's been like 40 years since that was a real thing though too.  

Name a Bomber player you can remember in your lifetime who joined the team right out of a NFL camp in September....a guy who we didn't have before...and was an impact player right away.

There's two I can remember in my life...Stegall and Orlando Bobo, although he hadn't played football in 2 seasons when they brought him up midseason.

NFL rosters are also 85-90 deep with IR these days.  That first layer of 250-300 cuts aren't signing a 3 year deal to come up to Canada, yeah they have an out if they get signed by NFL in the next February.

[Fatty Liver]

3 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

If rookie receivers don't know what they're doing is that an indication of poor coaching?

3 rookie receivers in Wilson, Clercius and Wheatfall that are fully taxed learning the CFL game and the routes assigned to them, nevermind ad-libbing broken plays they have no clue when to break off.  They have no relationship with the QB and are probably scared to talk to him, Zach's "anger translator" and glue guy Woli gets knocked out for half the season.  What could go wrong???  Should have brought back Zach's buddy Greg Ellingson for one last fling.

[GCn20]

Imo, the first half of the season was a very patch work and young receiving corps. When they finally all got on the field and had a couple games under their belt we started seeing a good offence. Absolutely no doubt that Buck had to simplify many aspects of his receivers route running and pre-snap motion due to their inexperience. I would think that year two of this same receiving corps would see some form pre snap motion being re-implemented. I am a little curious about the Bailey mid season non-signing as well, my thoughts are that maybe there was some bridge burning last offseason?

Edited November 24 by GCn20

[GCn20]

11 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

If rookie receivers don't know what they're doing is that an indication of poor coaching?

It's an indication of inexperience not poor coaching. It's difficult getting a receiving corps to learn the nuances of every play, and to work in synchronicity. Even harder when at times it was 60% rookies. Buck had to pare back some layers of his offence. I would expect that if Buck is to return that we will see more details and motions added.

[Booch]

13 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

If rookie receivers don't know what they're doing is that an indication of poor coaching?

Somewhat...or lack of coaches recognition of guys who aren't grasping things and making changes...we have a bad habit...I call it a flaw of whoever we break camp with...is it...and rarely change...bring in new talent in season... which u should always be doing...or give guys pushing for a spot...or even reps the opportunity...Osh figures that who he picked is the be all end all come hell or high water...and they are not.

 

12 hours ago, MOBomberFan said:

Dalton Schoen won ROTY in 2022, is that an indication of excellent coaching?

More a getting lucky and finding guys that just get it...Schoen studied and practiced CFL intricacies before he got to camp and jumped him to the fore front...plus he's just good too

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

It's an indication of inexperience not poor coaching. It's difficult getting a receiving corps to learn the nuances of every play, and to work in synchronicity. Even harder when at times it was 60% rookies. Buck had to pare back some layers of his offence. I would expect that if Buck is to return that we will see more details and motions added.

Sometime coaches need to recognize guys need time to learn and pull them off the field as opposed to try and make it happen on field to detriment of team..same with older guys who are just not getting it done consistently...we fail badly in that area...

[Booch]

20 hours ago, GCn20 said:

No ones is saying lollipops and rainbows. Just as this could be the beginning of the end, it could just as easily be the continuation of the dominance we have seen. All things end for sure, but that does not mean that it is now or even beginning now. CFLPA is putting out their report cards soon. That will tell a lot.

Is losing 3 straight...for similar avoidable and arguably stupid reasons...dominance tho? 

Last 3 yrs...Argos been more dominant than us...with prob 1/2 at best of the infrastructure support

[Mark H.]

11 minutes ago, Booch said:

Last 3 yrs...Argos been more dominant than us...with prob 1/2 at best of the infrastructure support

Too lazy to go looking for article, but Dinwiddie has been getting pretty much what he wants over there.

[GCn20]

43 minutes ago, Booch said:

Is losing 3 straight...for similar avoidable and arguably stupid reasons...dominance tho? 

Last 3 yrs...Argos been more dominant than us...with prob 1/2 at best of the infrastructure support

Argos have been very good the past 3 years. Other teams try to be good too. I fail to see what that has to do with our sustainability? We are in a small market prairie town, we start at a disadvantage. The fact we can attract and retain the calibre of players that we do is really good work by all involved. Predicting doom and gloom is completely unfounded at this point.

56 minutes ago, Booch said:

Somewhat...or lack of coaches recognition of guys who aren't grasping things and making changes...we have a bad habit...I call it a flaw of whoever we break camp with...is it...and rarely change...bring in new talent in season... which u should always be doing...or give guys pushing for a spot...or even reps the opportunity...Osh figures that who he picked is the be all end all come hell or high water...and they are not.

 

More a getting lucky and finding guys that just get it...Schoen studied and practiced CFL intricacies before he got to camp and jumped him to the fore front...plus he's just good too

Sometime coaches need to recognize guys need time to learn and pull them off the field as opposed to try and make it happen on field to detriment of team..same with older guys who are just not getting it done consistently...we fail badly in that area...

I think we've been pretty good at getting young guys who are struggling off, but I agree on the vets for the most part. It's how we've built our room and culture by not being cut throat, but maybe we've gone too far in that regard. We shall see what kind of reset we continue on this offseason. Last year we turned over about as much of the roster as any team should in one year. This year we will likely see more of that.

[Booch]

10 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Argos have been very good the past 3 years. Other teams try to be good too. I fail to see what that has to do with our sustainability? We are in a small market prairie town, we start at a disadvantage. The fact we can attract and retain the calibre of players that we do is really good work by all involved. Predicting doom and gloom is completely unfounded at this point.

I think we've been pretty good at getting young guys who are struggling off, but I agree on the vets for the most part. It's how we've built our room and culture by not being cut throat, but maybe we've gone too far in that regard. We shall see what kind of reset we continue on this offseason. Last year we turned over about as much of the roster as any team should in one year. This year we will likely see more of that.

We did turn over...a lot not by choice tho ...we Def tho need to me more apt to making the tough...right decisions tho. The months leading into Jan will be interesting and very telling as to if we have learned and are making a shift tho...

[GCn20]

24 minutes ago, Booch said:

We did turn over...a lot not by choice tho ...we Def tho need to me more apt to making the tough...right decisions tho. The months leading into Jan will be interesting and very telling as to if we have learned and are making a shift tho...

I guess if you look at who we turned over an argument could be made that none were by the Bombers choice, or all were depending on whether you believe we should have paid market value to re-sign them.  Bottom line we turned over quite a few positions to young players and that was part of our reload. We will reload again at a few positions to poise ourselves for the next 2-3 years.  Guys like Biggie, Alexander, may be re-signed but will find themselves in diminished roles with diminished money. Bryant maybe leaves, hope not, but he's up there and the one old vet that I wish wouldn't. We will see some turnover again. DL is young, secondary is young, receivers are young, OL might be too young if Neuf and Bryant go...really I think we may be a really young team going into this season. I think we are focusing so hard on a very few guys getting up there that perspective is lost on just how many really young guys we have in our starting 24.

Edited November 24 by GCn20

[MOBomberFan]

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

Too lazy to go looking for article, but Dinwiddie has been getting pretty much what he wants over there.

Yep, he asked for a new treadmill, they bought him four. CGY got absolutely roasted in that article.

[Fatty Liver]

7 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I guess if you look at who we turned over an argument could be made that none were by the Bombers choice, or all were depending on whether you believe we should have paid market value to re-sign them.  Bottom line we turned over quite a few positions to young players and that was part of our reload. We will reload again at a few positions to poise ourselves for the next 2-3 years.  Guys like Biggie, Alexander, may be re-signed but will find themselves in diminished roles with diminished money. Bryant maybe leaves, hope not, but he's up there and the one old vet that I wish wouldn't. We will see some turnover again. DL is young, secondary is young, receivers are young, OL might be too young if Neuf and Bryant go...really I think we may be a really young team going into this season. I think we are focusing so hard on a very few guys getting up there that perspective is lost on just how many really young guys we have in our starting 24.

Agree, the rebuild began this past season with many hard decisions made, it will likely continue next season with an equal number of hard decisions. 

The canary in the coal mine are the regular season games against the Argos and Als, continue losing to them in the regular season and it shouldn't come as a surprise when they lose to them again in the playoffs.  To think a different result is likely to happen is flying too close to Riderfan-dumb.

12 minutes ago, MOBomberFan said:

Yep, he asked for a new treadmill, they bought him four. CGY got absolutely roasted in that article.

Leaf rejects.

[MOBomberFan]

11 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Leaf rejects.

Haha maybe but even if they are... not sure how that matters? He asked for something, they got it for him and then some is the point.

[Fatty Liver]

46 minutes ago, MOBomberFan said:

Haha maybe but even if they are... not sure how that matters? He asked for something, they got it for him and then some is the point.

Tainted by loser's sweat, not good.

[Tracker]

On 2024-11-23 at 12:38 PM, rebusrankin said:

Carey made a good point in a third down article about how Toronto went 16-2 last year, didn't win and then went out and got Ceresna. We on the other hand seem to value the status quo. I'm not calling for MOS to be fired but some changes like a new OC and the fond farewell to some aging vets would be nice.

So long as O'Shea has anything to say about it, nothing short of death is going to get the needed players out of here and replaced. Any strength can be a weakness if carried to an extreme.

[Tracker]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

We did turn over...a lot not by choice tho ...we Def tho need to me more apt to making the tough...right decisions tho. The months leading into Jan will be interesting and very telling as to if we have learned and are making a shift tho...

Given O'Shea's personality, I cannot see him willingly parting with his favoured but inadequate players. If he is ordered to do so, he may well, like Ahab lashed to Moby ****, go down with them, and that would not be a bad thing. If he is ordered to make those cuts and somehow chooses to stay as head coach, I would question how well he would function after that diminishing.

[rebusrankin]

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

I guess if you look at who we turned over an argument could be made that none were by the Bombers choice, or all were depending on whether you believe we should have paid market value to re-sign them.  Bottom line we turned over quite a few positions to young players and that was part of our reload. We will reload again at a few positions to poise ourselves for the next 2-3 years.  Guys like Biggie, Alexander, may be re-signed but will find themselves in diminished roles with diminished money. Bryant maybe leaves, hope not, but he's up there and the one old vet that I wish wouldn't. We will see some turnover again. DL is young, secondary is young, receivers are young, OL might be too young if Neuf and Bryant go...really I think we may be a really young team going into this season. I think we are focusing so hard on a very few guys getting up there that perspective is lost on just how many really young guys we have in our starting 24.

No evidence that those players have diminished salaries or roles next year based on the past.

[bigg jay]

1 hour ago, Fatty Liver said:

Tainted by loser's sweat, not good.

Hasn't seemed to affect the Argos so far.