2024/2025 Blue Bombers Off-Season Thread

[wbbfan]

43 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Like I said, easy signings. And there's nothing wrong with that. Again, if Wilson somehow manages to stay healthy he's a great guy to have on the roster. You just have this "it's all awful unless they sign the young physical specimens I like" mentality. 

It's not really. Wilson isn't old for the average age of our core. And he is an exceptional athlete. It isn't even just the injuries and the fact that in 7 seasons he's only played 11 games or more once (or on average since he became a start he plays half a season) The real problem is on top of his injuries, he doesn't come back ready to go. It takes him a couple of games to get back to form. That combined with the amount of games he plays is just too much. filling in for him for half a year we can do fine, we have the guys to do that. But then taking guys who will play better out for a couple games so he can get back up to a slightly higher level is a big hit. 

We walked away from Jackson Jeffcoat, with out a replacement, who was a year older, played a larger portion of the year, and was instantly an upgrade when he came back and was inserted into the line up. If he is the litmus test on when to walk away from veteran players, Kyrie has been well under that mark for a couple years. 

Even if the standard is Jamarcus hardrick, it's time to move on. He was certainly older, but he had more recently started struggling to stay healthy and continue to play at a high level ending the year. He was also better as soon as he was put back into the line up than our other options. 

Finally, Jones is not an outlier or young physical specimen. He's a Lunch box guy. He doesn't cover his area in pass D very well with speed, and doesn't make great decisions. He was frequently too shallow last year especially late and teams attacked his spot. Jones covers the gaps, scrapes to the ball, and tackles well. 

 

Biggie is the clearly the real problem in the Lber core. As long as he isn't back it's not too bad. Kyrie needs to have a short leash in camp, and likely should be limited in reps if he makes the AR. He shouldn't be an every down guy even in his best form.

[bigg jay]

8 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'm going to wait and see if there's $$ mentioned anywhere. That's important in terms of these signings. 

Everyone wants to see the most talented roster take the field, and hopefully these guys are near league minimum just to be transitional pieces and help bring along the next gen.

Yep, if Wilson (Gauthier is an ST'er so not as concerned about him) signed for dirt cheap, then that could be an indication of how the club sees him and his role.  If he's even making bottom tier starter money then we know they don't see him as a back-up.

[Brandon]

Wilson should be veteran insurance in case they can't find a proper lb'er during training camp.   

What I worry is that in training camp they do find someone who shows flashes and they end up cutting the new guy because the fear of moving on with some growing pains.  

[wbbfan]

4 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Yep, if Wilson (Gauthier is an ST'er so not as concerned about him) signed for dirt cheap, then that could be an indication of how the club sees him and his role.  If he's even making bottom tier starter money then we know they don't see him as a back-up.

I doubt we will ever know what Kyrie signed for, but it won't be much. He's never broken into the top 15 lbers in the cfl in pay. (Not including sams) Biggie is the only Lber we've paid a decent bit to in the last while. We let JSK walk for like 100k iirc. I'd be we signed him for under 105k. My big concern with him isn't pay though, he will likely be on the 6 game 1-2 times this year. It's the reps he will see when he isn't able to perform, and the worry of us being married to the old guard.

[rebusrankin]

If you can't find a NI to play the ST role that Gauthier plays, you have a scouting problem.

[wbbfan]

4 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Wilson should be veteran insurance in case they can't find a proper lb'er during training camp.   

What I worry is that in training camp they do find someone who shows flashes and they end up cutting the new guy because the fear of moving on with some growing pains.  

With Ayers, Cole, and Jones I don't think we need to find a guy to fill a spot any more. We need to bring in guys to push those 3, make em fight for a job for sure. 

3 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

If you can't find a NI to play the ST role that Gauthier plays, you have a scouting problem.

Gauthier is very good on teams though. That isn't extremely easy to replace. Hes the CFL equivalent of a AAAA player. He's better than just a teams/back up, but not starter quality. Obviously you'd love to have starter quality canadians on the bench, but that doesn't happen real often. 

[GCn20]

18 hours ago, Pete said:

your right, I don't see him as our primary returner but  he gives us an adequate back up we can slot in , in case of an injury, something we've lacked in recent years. i.e. whitehead was hurt for the last qtr of season yet we didnt have a strong enough option to replace him.

And I do see him as a number 2 receiver, we likely can't afford both Schoen and Lawler. I know we hope we can afford them but history tells us some team will offer them more than what they are worth. Even last year we overpaid to keep the two of them because of that.

How does history tell us we can't sign both? We literally signed both just last year.

25 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

It's not really. Wilson isn't old for the average age of our core. And he is an exceptional athlete. It isn't even just the injuries and the fact that in 7 seasons he's only played 11 games or more once (or on average since he became a start he plays half a season) The real problem is on top of his injuries, he doesn't come back ready to go. It takes him a couple of games to get back to form. That combined with the amount of games he plays is just too much. filling in for him for half a year we can do fine, we have the guys to do that. But then taking guys who will play better out for a couple games so he can get back up to a slightly higher level is a big hit. 

We walked away from Jackson Jeffcoat, with out a replacement, who was a year older, played a larger portion of the year, and was instantly an upgrade when he came back and was inserted into the line up. If he is the litmus test on when to walk away from veteran players, Kyrie has been well under that mark for a couple years. 

Even if the standard is Jamarcus hardrick, it's time to move on. He was certainly older, but he had more recently started struggling to stay healthy and continue to play at a high level ending the year. He was also better as soon as he was put back into the line up than our other options. 

Finally, Jones is not an outlier or young physical specimen. He's a Lunch box guy. He doesn't cover his area in pass D very well with speed, and doesn't make great decisions. He was frequently too shallow last year especially late and teams attacked his spot. Jones covers the gaps, scrapes to the ball, and tackles well. 

 

Biggie is the clearly the real problem in the Lber core. As long as he isn't back it's not too bad. Kyrie needs to have a short leash in camp, and likely should be limited in reps if he makes the AR. He shouldn't be an every down guy even in his best form.

Biggie will be back if he accepts a rotational role. If not...I doubt we sign him.

[blue85gold]

39 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Biggie is the clearly the real problem in the Lber core. As long as he isn't back it's not too bad. Kyrie needs to have a short leash in camp, and likely should be limited in reps if he makes the AR. He shouldn't be an every down guy even in his best form.

Exactly this. I'm sure Kyrie is on the cheap.  Biggie I doubt will play for peanuts, time to move on. 

[Mike]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

How do you block people on here. I’m tired of the repetitive ****. 

Is it really any different than you repeatedly whining about whining? At least the other people repeating themselves are actually talking football 

[Noeller]

 

 

 

Also, random quotes on Twitter....

 

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

I'm not sure how many snaps, he would get (by rule) per game but , perhaps, Bombers might take (finally) advantage of the "Nationalized American" rule and use Wilson as such.

[bearpants]

25 minutes ago, Noeller said:

 

 

 

Also, random quotes on Twitter....

 

 

Why doesn't @DTonOB 's list include Cole?... I know he spent a bunch of time on the IR but still played some

[GCn20]

33 minutes ago, Noeller said:

 

 

 

Also, random quotes on Twitter....

 

 

No surprise there. Gotta shoot the wad on a home Grey Cup

[Booch]

38 minutes ago, Mike said:

Is it really any different than you repeatedly whining about whining? At least the other people repeating themselves are actually talking football 

please tell him how to block me.....then I dont have the urge to respond to what you just mentioned

 

7 minutes ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

I'm not sure how many snaps, he would get (by rule) per game but , perhaps, Bombers might take (finally) advantage of the "Nationalized American" rule and use Wilson as such.

and take a Canadian off the feild....wheteher he better....or not than said Nationlized...Not on Oshea's watch....never....ever.....

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

It's not really. Wilson isn't old for the average age of our core. And he is an exceptional athlete. It isn't even just the injuries and the fact that in 7 seasons he's only played 11 games or more once (or on average since he became a start he plays half a season) The real problem is on top of his injuries, he doesn't come back ready to go. It takes him a couple of games to get back to form. That combined with the amount of games he plays is just too much. filling in for him for half a year we can do fine, we have the guys to do that. But then taking guys who will play better out for a couple games so he can get back up to a slightly higher level is a big hit. 

We walked away from Jackson Jeffcoat, with out a replacement, who was a year older, played a larger portion of the year, and was instantly an upgrade when he came back and was inserted into the line up. If he is the litmus test on when to walk away from veteran players, Kyrie has been well under that mark for a couple years. 

Even if the standard is Jamarcus hardrick, it's time to move on. He was certainly older, but he had more recently started struggling to stay healthy and continue to play at a high level ending the year. He was also better as soon as he was put back into the line up than our other options. 

Finally, Jones is not an outlier or young physical specimen. He's a Lunch box guy. He doesn't cover his area in pass D very well with speed, and doesn't make great decisions. He was frequently too shallow last year especially late and teams attacked his spot. Jones covers the gaps, scrapes to the ball, and tackles well. 

 

Biggie is the clearly the real problem in the Lber core. As long as he isn't back it's not too bad. Kyrie needs to have a short leash in camp, and likely should be limited in reps if he makes the AR. He shouldn't be an every down guy even in his best form.

Yeah looking/veiwing Jones as an elite guy....solution is a stretch...he is essentially a ham and egger type giy....just with a slice of chees wedged in to make an impact play here and there....but like you said....has some big holes...and limitations for a reg snap MLB....now does this harken to him not being put/coached or schemed to be in right spot and take right responsibilities?....we shall see..maybe part in parcel was still learning Youngers scheme....but in yr 2...another off-seson gfor Younger to tweak/redefine a few things I expect a lights out defense if given the horses....if we see some of the same gaffs tho by some the same guys...to me that reeks of insufficient talent to carry out Youngers vision and we need to upgrade...Save for WJ...Woods...Garbutt...Nichols...Bonds...Griffin....Lawson....nobody should feel safe in their spot being there or just handed to them

6 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

No surprise there. Gotta shoot the wad on a home Grey Cup

we better

[bearpants]

6 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

No surprise there. Gotta shoot the wad on a home Grey Cup

I hope they do... we need an impact pass rusher and OT (MLB would be icing on the cake)... spend whatever it takes to get it! 

[DTonOB]

12 minutes ago, bearpants said:

Why doesn't @DTonOB 's list include Cole?... I know he spent a bunch of time on the IR but still played some

That's a good catch. The table I pulled from has him designated as a DB (where he was expecting to play when we talked in pre-season). Looking at where his snaps came, LB is much more accurate.

I counted Cole with 186 snaps.

[Noeller]

 

 

[bigg jay]

7 minutes ago, Noeller said:

 

 

Can never have too many Mike Miller's on your team I guess?

[rebusrankin]

7 minutes ago, Noeller said:

 

 

The all Miller coaching staff is getting closer

[HardCoreBlue]

2 hours ago, Goalie said:

How do you block people on here. I’m tired of the repetitive ****. 

Ask @Noeller he blocks everyone. 🙂

[blue85gold]

34 minutes ago, Noeller said:

 

 

I'm all for poaching the Argos. Best coached team in the league the last few seasons.

[bigg jay]

2 hours ago, Goalie said:

How do you block people on here. I’m tired of the repetitive ****. 

Click on the down arrow in the upper right corner next to your username and then select ignored users.

From there just enter their username and select the options you want to block and press the add user button.

[JuranBoldenRules]

2 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

Both signings are terrible. Wilson can't stay healthy and neither can Gauthier who is nothing but an aging st player. Both should be easy to replace. Welcome back to the Winnipeg Country Club.

On a vet laden roster that WIL LB spot should be a rookie salary.  Especially when the incumbent is in steep decline and cannot stay healthy.

Not going to win in 2025 with 2021's roster.

[bigg jay]

42 minutes ago, Noeller said:

 

 

Dinwiddie says they asked sometime in December but for whatever reason, the news is just coming out now.  Also of note - the Bombers did not ask to speak with Costanza so that removes one contender from the list.

Blue Bombers granted permission to interview Argos' QB coach Mike Miller for offensive coordinator position - 3DownNation

[Fatty Liver]

3 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Wilson when healthy is a good player. Of course he's rarely healthy. I don't mind bringing him back but you need a body behind him for when the inevitable injury happens.

Gauthier is a teams contributer, you still need those guys.

Orrrrrrrrrrr they're just easy signings

Obviously they both still want to play football, Gauthier has been a Bomber since 2016 and Wilson since 2017, they've paid their dues with the team and deserve to be treated with respect, as does Jake and Biggie.  Both have diminishing roles on the team but can still contribute effectively as gap fillers when needed.  Ayers is already under contract and looks to be the heir apparent to Wilson, limiting Wilson's reps. rotating with Ayers may be the strategy needed to preserve his health, and if the inevitable injuries happen again, Ayers just takes over WIL with help from Cole.