SpeedFlex27 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 7 minutes ago, 17to85 said: You're really entitled as a fan eh? We get it, you want a nice public flogging of the guy but that's not going to happen. We just gotta trust that the gm of the team knows what he is doing, and considering we have played in 5 straight Grey cups I am inclined to believe he does. We trusted Tim Burke would get the job done when he was first hired & how did that work out? If Goveia & McManus leave along with Buck then there'll be changes.
bigg jay Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 34 minutes ago, blue85gold said: Go back and look at the tape of playing players in Grey Cups that are too injured to play. Dolegala to Osh: Should I start warming up coach? MOS: Over Zach's dead body! rebusrankin, Fatty Liver, kelownabomberfan and 5 others 1 7
Super Duper Negatron Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 Wilson: Coach, I'm ready to go in! MOS: Tis but a scratch! Wilson: What do you mean a scratch? His arm's off! MOS: No it isn't! bigg jay, rebusrankin and bluto 3
17to85 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 5 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: We trusted Tim Burke would get the job done when he was first hired & how did that work out? Well if Tim Burke had got the team to 5 straight Grey Cups that would be a great comparison.... Burke though is a better reason to be cautious on just firing someone because you want change after a slight step back. Same as firing Dave Ritchie and going to Jim Daley. Or Doug Berry to Mike Kelly. Team has had a **** ton of success lately. You don't start making whole sale changes just because they came up short in the big game. It starts with some fresh blood on the roster, maybe some smaller changes in the coaching staff, some fresh ideas. Kyle walters has earned a heck of a lot of trust at this point. Noeller and wpgallday1960 2
GCn20 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 Walters, Miller, and MOS will sit down this offseason go over what they did well and didn't do well. Make a plan to change what is necessary, and go forward. Just as they have done every year for the past 10 years. None of us will know what is said behind those doors, and they will all emerge out of there united and ready to build the team to go to the Cup next year. I am not betting against them doing so. Noeller 1
Super Duper Negatron Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 Just now, 17to85 said: Well if Tim Burke had got the team to 5 straight Grey Cups that would be a great comparison.... Burke though is a better reason to be cautious on just firing someone because you want change after a slight step back. Same as firing Dave Ritchie and going to Jim Daley. Or Doug Berry to Mike Kelly. Team has had a **** ton of success lately. You don't start making whole sale changes just because they came up short in the big game. It starts with some fresh blood on the roster, maybe some smaller changes in the coaching staff, some fresh ideas. Kyle walters has earned a heck of a lot of trust at this point. You don't start making whole sale changes just because they came up short in the big game. You don't start making whole sale changes just because they came up short in the big game. You don't start making whole sale changes just because they came up short in the big game. Fixed it for you. MOBomberFan and TBURGESS 2
GCn20 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 17to85 said: Well if Tim Burke had got the team to 5 straight Grey Cups that would be a great comparison.... Burke though is a better reason to be cautious on just firing someone because you want change after a slight step back. Same as firing Dave Ritchie and going to Jim Daley. Or Doug Berry to Mike Kelly. Team has had a **** ton of success lately. You don't start making whole sale changes just because they came up short in the big game. It starts with some fresh blood on the roster, maybe some smaller changes in the coaching staff, some fresh ideas. Kyle walters has earned a heck of a lot of trust at this point. Yea...the narrative that wholesale changes need to happen is a little over the top. We have a fantastic core of management, coaches, players. Needs some tweaking but not anything on the wholesale level. I think we are in a stronger position going into this next season, then we were going into this one. Edited November 20 by GCn20 Noeller 1
bigg jay Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 1 minute ago, 17to85 said: Well if Tim Burke had got the team to 5 straight Grey Cups that would be a great comparison.... Burke though is a better reason to be cautious on just firing someone because you want change after a slight step back. Same as firing Dave Ritchie and going to Jim Daley. Or Doug Berry to Mike Kelly. Team has had a **** ton of success lately. You don't start making whole sale changes just because they came up short in the big game. It starts with some fresh blood on the roster, maybe some smaller changes in the coaching staff, some fresh ideas. Kyle walters has earned a heck of a lot of trust at this point. This is where I pretty much am at in terms of what I'd like to see. We don't need to blow the whole thing up but we need to continue the roster turnover we started last season when we moved on from some vets. I'm good with moving on from Buck as well but MOS does need make some changes as well and that's up to Kyle & Wade to reinforce that. Noeller 1
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 (edited) 45 minutes ago, 17to85 said: Well if Tim Burke had got the team to 5 straight Grey Cups that would be a great comparison.... Burke though is a better reason to be cautious on just firing someone because you want change after a slight step back. Same as firing Dave Ritchie and going to Jim Daley. Or Doug Berry to Mike Kelly. Team has had a **** ton of success lately. You don't start making whole sale changes just because they came up short in the big game. It starts with some fresh blood on the roster, maybe some smaller changes in the coaching staff, some fresh ideas. Kyle walters has earned a heck of a lot of trust at this point. Man, this mentality that we can't criticize or question anyone is dumbfounding. How some people just fall for it & say that no one can question any missteps or mistakes by O'Shea. We've lost 3 championships in a row & Zach hasn't thrown a TD pass in the last 3 Grey Cups. Playing injured players who should be sitting. Not giving the ball to Oliveira. All kinds of questions about how this team is prepared, the roster is managed & coached on the field, yet don't ask any probing questions about why it's happening. We're just supposed to be happy we got to the last 5 championships & lost the last 3. Not me. I suspect a lot of us here want to know just what the hell is going on as well as the future of this team.. Edited November 20 by SpeedFlex27 TBURGESS and rebusrankin 2
Noeller Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 35 minutes ago, GCn20 said: Yea...the narrative that wholesale changes need to happen is a little over the top. We have a fantastic core of management, coaches, players. Needs some tweaking but not anything on the wholesale level. I think we are in a stronger position going into this next season, then we were going into this one. More than a little at this point. Changes will happen, for sure. Remains to be seen whether they work or not.
17to85 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 4 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Man, this mentality that we can't criticize or question anyone is dumbfounding. How some people just fall for it & say that no one can question any missteps or mistakes by O'Shea. We've lost 3 championships in a row & Zach hasn't thrown a TD pass in the last 3 Grey Cups. Playing injured players who should be sitting. Not giving the ball to Oliveira. All kinds of questions about how this team is prepared, the roster is managed & coached on the field, yet don't ask any probing questions about why it's happening. We're just supposed to be happy we got to the last 5 championships & lost. Not me. I suspect a lot of us here want to know just what the hell is going on as well as the future of this team.. Where exactly did I say we can't criticize or question? Noeller 1
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 36 minutes ago, bigg jay said: This is where I pretty much am at in terms of what I'd like to see. We don't need to blow the whole thing up but we need to continue the roster turnover we started last season when we moved on from some vets. I'm good with moving on from Buck as well but MOS does need make some changes as well and that's up to Kyle & Wade to reinforce that. If we don't move on from Jake Thomas & Bighill & thy both come back then the roster change/turnover is nothing but bullshit. bigg jay and rebusrankin 2
Noeller Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 Just now, 17to85 said: Where exactly did I say we can't criticize or question? Nobody said it. Anywhere.
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 Just now, 17to85 said: Where exactly did I say we can't criticize or question? Just now. You don't want anyone questioning anything. Let's just be happy with appearing in 5 straight championships. No not when we can't win.
17to85 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 Just now, SpeedFlex27 said: Just now. You don't want anyone questioning anything. Let's just be happy with appearing in 5 straight championships. No not when we can't win. Maybe go back and re-read since clearly you've missed the point... Noeller 1
Captain Blue Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 Change happens literally every year. Look at the Bombers roster this year compared to last and you'll obviously see some turnover even in the starting lineups. They may not be the exact change someone on the internet wanted, but the idea that we are running the exact same roster every time would seem to be a bit off base. Also, logically good teams would want and seem to have less turnover than bad teams, because they're winning. It's days after the completion of the season. They are not going to just announce that they're not retaining a whole bunch of guys just for the heck of it. Some will be signed, some will not, but all of that will be sorted out starting in February free agency. Fatty Liver and Noeller 2
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 Just now, 17to85 said: Maybe go back and re-read since clearly you've missed the point... If I'm wrong then I'll acknowledge it.
Captain Blue Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 3 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: If we don't move on from Jake Thomas & Bighill & thy both come back then the roster change/turnover is nothing but bullshit. This comment is not necessarily directed exactly at you so please don't take it personally, but man I'm so sick and tired of hearing people complain about Jake Thomas. He was one member of either the best or second best defense in the league this year. A defense that was consistently good or great. A defense that played really well in the Cup game to give us a chance. He is old and definitely not as good as he used to. Maybe they'll move on from him this year. But I think some people have been stuck on Thomas for well over a year now. Fatty Liver and Noeller 2
Booch Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 1 hour ago, 17to85 said: You're really entitled as a fan eh? We get it, you want a nice public flogging of the guy but that's not going to happen. We just gotta trust that the gm of the team knows what he is doing, and considering we have played in 5 straight Grey cups I am inclined to believe he does. No...we deserve ansers and justification...and if u deserve a good flogging so be it...player or coach...we also had 11 guys on field for bissett td...why not call a timeout...or did the grand wizard even notice? And as a paying fan of a community owned team...we essentially have ownership and deserve answers G.M yes seems to know...now what about HC
17to85 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 8 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: If I'm wrong then I'll acknowledge it. You're wrong. 1 minute ago, Booch said: G.M yes seems to know...now what about HC So trust the GM to get it sorted.... Noeller 1
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, 17to85 said: Well if Tim Burke had got the team to 5 straight Grey Cups that would be a great comparison.... Burke though is a better reason to be cautious on just firing someone because you want change after a slight step back. Same as firing Dave Ritchie and going to Jim Daley. Or Doug Berry to Mike Kelly. Team has had a **** ton of success lately. You don't start making whole sale changes just because they came up short in the big game. It starts with some fresh blood on the roster, maybe some smaller changes in the coaching staff, some fresh ideas. Kyle walters has earned a heck of a lot of trust at this point. Okay, I'll acknowledge that I may have misunderstood what you said. I just am questioning what is going on? You can never trust O'Shea to be forthcoming. Some coaches are but he's not. Walters doesn't address the media & fans as much as he used to. Miller operates in the background & vary rarely talks to the media about the status of the team. I don't subscribe the In O'Shea We Trust mantra because of some of the coaching decisions that were made last year regards to playing guys like BA, Bighill & Schoen who were hurt. Some of the off season moves we made last year need to be questioned, like letting Janarion Grant go & keeping other veterans around like our old favourite punching bag Jake Thomas. So, Walters isn't immune from criticism, either. I want to see real changes. I don't want vets who are coaches favourites to stay on the roster because O'Shea doesn't want to make a change. This team is aging out & changes need to be made. This may be a watershed off season where a bunch of personnel & coaches move on which means more than a few players will as well. Edited November 20 by SpeedFlex27 Piggy 1, Booch and rebusrankin 2 1
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 13 minutes ago, Captain Blue said: This comment is not necessarily directed exactly at you so please don't take it personally, but man I'm so sick and tired of hearing people complain about Jake Thomas. He was one member of either the best or second best defense in the league this year. A defense that was consistently good or great. A defense that played really well in the Cup game to give us a chance. He is old and definitely not as good as he used to. Maybe they'll move on from him this year. But I think some people have been stuck on Thomas for well over a year now. He's a player on the roster who sticks out like a sore thumb yet gets regular rotations on the DL. So, they play him, He does nothing & again we can't criticize? He's become a piniatta over here because he should have retired two years ago. I really don't like criticizing the guy all the time but it is what it is. rebusrankin 1
17to85 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 6 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: . I don't subscribe the In O'Shea We Trust mantra because of some of the coaching decisions that were made last year regards to playing guys like BA, Bighill & Schoen who were hurt. Which is why I said trust the GM. Part of his job is keeping the coaches in line. Noeller 1
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 Just now, 17to85 said: Which is why I said trust the GM. Part of his job is keeping the coaches in line. From what I've seen that doesn't happen.
Captain Blue Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 1 minute ago, SpeedFlex27 said: He's a player on the roster who sticks out like a sore thumb yet gets regular rotations on the DL. So, they play him, He does nothing & again we can't criticize? He's become a piniatta over here because he should have retired two years ago. I really don't like criticizing the guy all the time but it is what it is. You can absolutely criticize him. I am absolutely on this site to talk football about our favourite team, both the good and bad. What I take exception with is the sheer amount of comments and hate one player on an excellent defense generates. Noeller 1
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