2024/2025 CFL (non-Bomber) Off-Season Thread

[Tracker]

2 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:

The amount backup QB's are paid could be redefined this off-season, $200-$250k seems about right, with the starter salaries being dragged back down to around $400-$450k.

A lot of experienced backup options potentially available.

Maier

Shiltz

MBT

Ford

Fajardo

Arbuckle

Strev.

Crum

Masoli

Powell

 

I wonder if Tre Ford was signed by the Blue, would that be an enticement for his brother to stay?

[wbbfan]

2 hours ago, bluto said:

Pretend you're the Als, you've made the decision that Alexander is your future and you'd like Cody to come back as a just in case (and to not end up as a back-up especially in Hamilton or Ottawa where it could burn you), what do you offer him and what would you realistically pay? Freak injuries happen, they may be in dire need of Fajardo if the SHTF.

 

125-150k base, ability to make 300k ish if he takes back the starting job. Same kind of deal I’d offer to mbt, strevy, schlitz, crum, Masoli etc. 

 not saying I want all those guys or any specific order to them. They are all in the same tier and have the same kind of value imo. 

[bluto]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

125-150k base, ability to make 300k ish if he takes back the starting job. Same kind of deal I’d offer to mbt, strevy, schlitz, crum, Masoli etc. 

 not saying I want all those guys or any specific order to them. They are all in the same tier and have the same kind of value imo. 

I can't put MBT and Fajardo in the same tier as the others.

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, bluto said:

I can't put MBT and Fajardo in the same tier as the others.

For me they all have major knocks. Mbt has the same level of performance team to team and it never seems to impact the out come. Cf loses you as many as he wins.  Masoli is the best of the bunch but miles away from what he used to be. Schlitz has the best upside with a chance to achieve it but he’s be 32 before the end of the year. 
 I can understand how people don’t value Strev as much as a starter, but he can contribute the most as a qb2 by a lot, and I know he can achieve a high level of play with a decent offence to run. 
 

 Value wise I don’t see any separation. Mbt isn’t gonna get a starting job going into the season. No one is gonna give him starting money. 
 As we saw in bc even if you spend all the money, you just can’t balance a team with a 250-300k back up qb. I don’t think any of these guys gets 200k. None of them are signing for under 125k either. 

[Brandon]

3 hours ago, Tracker said:

I wonder if Tre Ford was signed by the Blue, would that be an enticement for his brother to stay?

Imagine if Lapo becomes our OC and we sign Tre Ford....  I could only imagine how many flea flicker double reverse hail mary plays we would run!  

[SpeedFlex27]

10 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Imagine if Lapo becomes our OC and we sign Tre Ford....  I could only imagine how many flea flicker double reverse hail mary plays we would run!  

I think we know

That with Head Coach Mike O'Shea

Stubborn!! Nothing will change. 

[wpgallday1960]

Today I learned Brendan Taman was an assistant t GM in Ottawa.  The extrabusiness in Subway restaraunts must be veritable boon for the local economy.

[blueingreenland]

11 hours ago, wpgallday1960 said:

Today I learned Brendan Taman was an assistant t GM in Ottawa.  The extrabusiness in Subway restaraunts must be veritable boon for the local economy.

And it explains the shortage of napkins at Ottawa restaurants.

[Tracker]

11 hours ago, wpgallday1960 said:

Today I learned Brendan Taman was an assistant t GM in Ottawa.  The extra business in Subway restaurants must be veritable boon for the local economy.

Time to remind people that Taman did a reasonably good job when Bomber GM, considering what he had to work with and a GM who really didn't like him.

[wbbfan]

12 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Time to remind people that Taman did a reasonably good job when Bomber GM, considering what he had to work with and a GM who really didn't like him.

He did good at part of his job. Dismal at others. Trades, good. Bringing in rookie talent, good. Free agency, worst ever. Managing a team, not good. Canadian draft, not good. 

[Noeller]

He was a one man operation with no budget... He far exceeded expectations.

[GCn20]

5 minutes ago, Noeller said:

He was a one man operation with no budget... He far exceeded expectations.

In a non SMS and cash strapped CFL, Taman did a good job. Once the SMS was started and teams financially recovered and were able to have actual scouting departments, Taman's past resourcefulness became a liability to teams, not a strength.

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

He did good at part of his job. Dismal at others. Trades, good. Bringing in rookie talent, good. Free agency, worst ever. Managing a team, not good. Canadian draft, not good. 

Taman was hamstrung by a thin budget and a short leash from his GM. In that he was much like John Ferguson when he was Jet's GM who publicly stated he could have picked up the players needed to take a run at the Cup, but could not due to budget restraints from the provincial government that said the Jets had to be in the bottom third of NHL salaries.

 

Edited November 28 by Tracker

[Goalie]

41 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Taman was hamstrung by a thin budget and a short leash from his GM. In that he was much like John Ferguson when he was Jet's GM who publicly stated he could have picked up the players needed to take a run at the Cup, but could not due to budget restraints from the provincial government that said the Jets had to be in the bottom third of NHL salaries.

 

Taman was the GM. 

[wbbfan]

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

He was a one man operation with no budget... He far exceeded expectations.

We did have other guys working the front office, most were coaches doing double duties. Bob Dyce was a huge part of that front office for instance while being a wr coach as well. He did more in the front office than coaching imo. 

 

 

18 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Taman was the GM. 

yup. Old Dave early on handled a lot of the gm duties and taman assisted him. This is how the team and league worked back then. Khari and most QBs called their own plays, not the oc. Coaching staff’s were your scouts etc. some teams had it better, but it was basically the way things worked from hs to college and up to the cfl at that time. 

[Noeller]

 

 

[rebusrankin]

Killam has done nothing to show he should be a head coach imo.

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

 

 

That is an underwhelming list...

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

 

 

I don’t get maksymic. He’s run offences that struggle to protect the ball, run the ball, and get the most out of his QBs. They basically chuck the most and score some of the fewest tds and struggle in the red zone play the big games. 
 Also, doesn’t make sense to consider him for hc along side buck. You aren’t gonna keep him and bring in buck. 
 

Benevides has slowly been back sliding in his career for the past 11 years. From hc, to ast hc dc, to dc, to teams co and spent a year out of football at least. 
 

38 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Killam has done nothing to show he should be a head coach imo.

qft. 
 

this is an ugly list of hc candidates for a team that wants to compete right away. 
 

Atleast buck has modern rings, and has run offences that have lead the league with the pass and the run. He should have a big advantage on this Job.  

2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

That is an underwhelming list...

A veritable who’s who, of people I wouldn’t hire or interview for that job lol. 

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

 

 

Oh yes he is.

[Booch]

43 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Killam has done nothing to show he should be a head coach imo.

Nor did Osh really when you think about it....we took a chance...and once he surrounded himself with quality Co-ordinators...things took off for him....Maybe that chance on Killam reaps same rewards...I know player love him.....and thats what many claim is the Osh factor

Killam has had a lot more yrs behind him and experience...He has had some very good units under his watch, and didnt he at one point as well have more than just ST tiltle?...I may be thinking of someone else in that regard...but dude been in the game a long time and is still young...and worked under some good CFL football people

 

[wbbfan]

8 minutes ago, Booch said:

Nor did Osh really when you think about it....we took a chance...and once he surrounded himself with quality Co-ordinators...things took off for him....Maybe that chance on Killam reaps same rewards...I know player love him.....and thats what many claim is the Osh factor

Killam has had a lot more yrs behind him and experience...He has had some very good units under his watch, and didnt he at one point as well have more than just ST tiltle?...I may be thinking of someone else in that regard...but dude been in the game a long time and is still young...and worked under some good CFL football people

 

The big differences for me is 1, obviously a hof career as a player, and 2, mos was a bigger part of a more liberal coaching staff vs being a much smaller part of a very controlled coaching staff. Killiam became the ast hc just as the stamps decent into dumpster fire began as well. 
 

I think the only way you hire killiam is to be a figure head while keeping benevides and maksymic plugging him in as hc/sts co with one of the cos becoming ast hc. And that assumes killiam would want that kind of role. 
 

With the coaches cap now, it’s much harder to balance a staff around a hc whose hands on section is special teams. You are gonna be hamstrung paying both cos more, and struggle even more with position coaches. (The situation we are in, only we’ve developed both our cos in house) 

[Noeller]

Further to all this, never mind Killam in BC...

 

 

[bigg jay]

3 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Further to all this, never mind Killam in BC...

 

 

But some random podcast guys said Campbell was a done deal?

[Fatty Liver]

1 minute ago, Noeller said:

Further to all this, never mind Killam in BC...

For the sake of their fanbase the Elks can not afford to get this hire wrong, better they go with the safe choice in Campbell, than gambling on someone without HC experience, which includes most of their candidates.