2024/2025 CFL (non-Bomber) Off-Season Thread

[Goalie]

I feel we gonna take some FA hits also. Not sure why. It’s just a feeling. 

[Noeller]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

I feel we gonna take some FA hits also. Not sure why. It’s just a feeling. 

Because at least one of our coaches left and our Assistant GM?

[Goalie]

Just now, Noeller said:

Because at least one of our coaches left and our Assistant GM?

No. Just because it’s gonna happen. Some guys gonna go get paid. 

[Brandon]

4 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

Goveia is a big hit.

Is it though?  The last three seasons has been a whole lot of meeeeeeeeeeeeeeh with the new blood that they brought in.    

[SpeedFlex27]

On 2024-11-30 at 8:18 PM, Squeakers and Skippy said:

I wonder where Jarious Jackson ends up hes kind of getting a raw deal

Every interim head coach unless the title is made permanent gets a raw deal.

[rebusrankin]

6 hours ago, Brandon said:

Is it though?  The last three seasons has been a whole lot of meeeeeeeeeeeeeeh with the new blood that they brought in.    

How much of that is him and how much is MOS favouring vets?

They did add Schoen, Holm, Bonds, Wilson, Ayers in the past few seasons.

[3rdand1.5]

I think we would be naive not to think at least a few guys follow Buck to BC....We all know Omar isn't afraid to disregard the cap to get the guys he wants.  

Edited December 4 by 3rdand1.5

[GCn20]

8 hours ago, Brandon said:

Is it though?  The last three seasons has been a whole lot of meeeeeeeeeeeeeeh with the new blood that they brought in.    

??....Goveia has been almost primarily our NAT scout and he's done a pretty darn good job at it.  However, there has been nothing meh about the talent we've brought in as IMPs either. We have gotten excellent, far above average scouting from our team. This has allowed us to stay at the top of the pile in the CFL for many years now. I understand that many guys here are upset that we lost 3 winner take all games, but it is has gone full on bananas with people discounting entire seasons we have either led the CFL or finished 1st in the West. That kind of sustainability is exceedingly difficult, and is the work of excellent recruitment, management, and coaching. It is bizarre to suggest otherwise. Some fans here need to eat some humble pie. This is not Saskatchewan for cripes sakes, we are the envy of the league.

Edited December 4 by GCn20

[bigg jay]

14 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

??....Goveia has been almost primarily our NAT scout and he's done a pretty darn good job at it.  However, there has been nothing meh about the talent we've brought in as IMPs either. We have gotten excellent, far above average scouting from our team. This has allowed us to stay at the top of the pile in the CFL for many years now. I understand that many guys here are upset that we lost 3 winner take all games, but it is has gone full on bananas with people discounting entire seasons we have either led the CFL or finished 1st in the West. That kind of sustainability is exceedingly difficult, and is the work of excellent recruitment, management, and coaching. It is bizarre to suggest otherwise. Some fans here need to eat some humble pie. This is not Saskatchewan for cripes sakes, we are the envy of the league.

I agree with you for the most part but we've definitely seen some meh talent here (see Damien Jackson).   

[HardCoreBlue]

7 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

I agree with you for the most part but we've definitely seen some meh talent here (see Damien Jackson).   

I think it's all about how good one's batting average is, and in this case, pretty good.

[bigg jay]

7 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I think it's all about how good one's batting average is, and in this case, pretty good.

Agreed - just pointing out that it wasn't all homeruns.  There are other examples too (Josh Johnson) but the bigger issue with those guys is the fact they were wasting active roster spots which has nothing to do with scouting. 

[17to85]

21 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

I agree with you for the most part but we've definitely seen some meh talent here (see Damien Jackson).   

Every team brings guys like that to camp, it's the keeping and playing that was the issue.

[wbbfan]

14 hours ago, Goalie said:

I feel we gonna take some FA hits also. Not sure why. It’s just a feeling. 

Got that feeling too. 

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, bigg jay said:

I agree with you for the most part but we've definitely seen some meh talent here (see Damien Jackson).   

You are equating us keeping sub par talent with us finding sub par talent. Not the same thing. There isn't a team in the history of football that hasn't brought in TCF in order to fill out a TC. The ONLY problem I have with our recruitment of Jackson was the fact that for some reason we kept him. 

14 hours ago, Goalie said:

Bombers taking some hits. To be expected. Although you’d think reading the comments we absolutely ******* suck but guess not. 

When you are the class of the league every team is going to try peel off a slice. Such is life at the top of the pile.

[GCn20]

4 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

How much of that is him and how much is MOS favouring vets?

They did add Schoen, Holm, Bonds, Wilson, Ayers in the past few seasons.

We have turned over a crap load of starting positions in the past few years. One just needs to look at our roster from 2019 to now to see. A select few vets have been favored, most have definitely earned their spots year after year, but many have been allowed to walk or shown the door as well. I don't think MOS shows any more favoritism to vets than any other coach in the CFL. Newsflash: HCs don't like to add any more rookies than they absolutely have to in order to field a roster. That is a professional football HCing rule of thumb.

[Mark H.]

4 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Newsflash: HCs don't like to add any more rookies than they absolutely have to in order to field a roster. That is a professional football HCing rule of thumb.

But even so, the last 2 years have tipped the balance a bit too much. 

[Fatty Liver]

15 hours ago, Noeller said:

Shitty about Goeveia but it was overdue. Shitty to lose start finally losing people in a GC hosting year. Very curious who steps up... I assume that Cyril guy gets the promotion. 

Walters for now, he's done Natl. scouting before and is really good at it, he'll probably pull someone up from U-Sports to assist him or maybe pick up Eric Deslauriers the Natl. scout the Als dropped a few weeks ago.

[JuranBoldenRules]

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

??....Goveia has been almost primarily our NAT scout and he's done a pretty darn good job at it.  However, there has been nothing meh about the talent we've brought in as IMPs either. We have gotten excellent, far above average scouting from our team. This has allowed us to stay at the top of the pile in the CFL for many years now. I understand that many guys here are upset that we lost 3 winner take all games, but it is has gone full on bananas with people discounting entire seasons we have either led the CFL or finished 1st in the West. That kind of sustainability is exceedingly difficult, and is the work of excellent recruitment, management, and coaching. It is bizarre to suggest otherwise. Some fans here need to eat some humble pie. This is not Saskatchewan for cripes sakes, we are the envy of the league.

The biggest issue here with the team starting to crumble is that they aren't really finding guys on the US side who make a difference.

Look at receiver/running back/receiver.  We had 20 guys in camp and the only one who ended up not being a total dud was Ontaria Wilson, who is an average talent level CFL receiver.  Rush end.  WIL LB.  Kicker/punter (Globals included who are mostly playing in US).

They've been great at finding DB's and found Schoen.

They've hit some home runs but also had some major whiffs.  Need more singles and doubles.

[Booch]

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

We have turned over a crap load of starting positions in the past few years. One just needs to look at our roster from 2019 to now to see. A select few vets have been favored, most have definitely earned their spots year after year, but many have been allowed to walk or shown the door as well. I don't think MOS shows any more favoritism to vets than any other coach in the CFL. Newsflash: HCs don't like to add any more rookies than they absolutely have to in order to field a roster. That is a professional football HCing rule of thumb.

I would hope we did....in football life 2019 to 2024 is eons ago

More needs to happen too...we turned over some spots not by choice tho, was forced on us luckily as we know if the injuries didn't happen....we wouldn't have.

I disagree on the favoring vets part tho....Osh has a tendency to overly lean on them...and not just in favor of a raw rookie. Got by with it when we had a roster full of guys in the prime.....hasnt panned out so well when we havnt....and dont even wanna hear the "yeah but...our reg. season record crap"...pointless and means diddly....the goal is a championship....not win the west and flop in post season...ask any player worth spit and they will tell you the same

A psotion shouldn't earned in advance or based on previous dominance....once it even starts to fade the successor should already be in house and working into reps....we dont do that here

Just now, JuranBoldenRules said:

The biggest issue here with the team starting to crumble is that they aren't really finding guys on the US side who make a difference.

Look at receiver/running back/receiver.  We had 20 guys in camp and the only one who ended up not being a total dud was Ontaria Wilson, who is an average talent level CFL receiver.  Rush end.  WIL LB.  Kicker/punter (Globals included who are mostly playing in US).

They've been great at finding DB's and found Schoen.

They've hit some home runs but also had some major whiffs.  Need more singles and doubles.

case in point...dline....how many yrs now have we not solidified it.....since 2021 it's been a weak spot....as we just stayed with a couple guys who for lack of a better statement are just not good enough to play pro ball with regular snaps....if any

[17to85]

8 minutes ago, Booch said:

havnt....and dont even wanna hear the "yeah but...our reg. season record crap"...pointless and means diddly....

If this were really true why even have the regular season? 

Yes ultimately the championship is the main goal, but you don't get the chance without regular season results.

You know that I don't blindly support every move this team makes with their roster choices, and you know I think you've got some good insights and are generally a knowledgeable voice.... however you are completely off the deep end in your constant criticism of the whole thing. You have strong opinions about the kind of player you like... but that's just one opinion, there's lots of things that can make a good player. Does this group get everything right? Nope not at all, but they do get a lot right as evidenced by the fact they have all this regular season success and have made 5 straight championship games. Honestly biggest step now IMO is figuring out why the offense has turned into a giant pile of useless in 3 straight Grey cups and change that.

[GCn20]

34 minutes ago, Booch said:

I would hope we did....in football life 2019 to 2024 is eons ago

More needs to happen too...we turned over some spots not by choice tho, was forced on us luckily as we know if the injuries didn't happen....we wouldn't have.

I disagree on the favoring vets part tho....Osh has a tendency to overly lean on them...and not just in favor of a raw rookie. Got by with it when we had a roster full of guys in the prime.....hasnt panned out so well when we havnt....and dont even wanna hear the "yeah but...our reg. season record crap"...pointless and means diddly....the goal is a championship....not win the west and flop in post season...ask any player worth spit and they will tell you the same

A psotion shouldn't earned in advance or based on previous dominance....once it even starts to fade the successor should already be in house and working into reps....we dont do that here

case in point...dline....how many yrs now have we not solidified it.....since 2021 it's been a weak spot....as we just stayed with a couple guys who for lack of a better statement are just not good enough to play pro ball with regular snaps....if any

I thought we added some great new pieces to our DL this year. Still a work in progress for sure, but it's nonsense to say we haven't turned over our DL.

17 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

If this were really true why even have the regular season? 

Yes ultimately the championship is the main goal, but you don't get the chance without regular season results.

You know that I don't blindly support every move this team makes with their roster choices, and you know I think you've got some good insights and are generally a knowledgeable voice.... however you are completely off the deep end in your constant criticism of the whole thing. You have strong opinions about the kind of player you like... but that's just one opinion, there's lots of things that can make a good player. Does this group get everything right? Nope not at all, but they do get a lot right as evidenced by the fact they have all this regular season success and have made 5 straight championship games. Honestly biggest step now IMO is figuring out why the offense has turned into a giant pile of useless in 3 straight Grey cups and change that.

There seems to be some polarizing viewpoints for sure and that's natural with strong opinions I think. I know I come off far more polarized than I generally am, but I'm a sucker for a good argument. Booch is probably the same. Once someone challenges your viewpoint the alpha response kicks in. 

[Booch]

3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

If this were really true why even have the regular season? 

Yes ultimately the championship is the main goal, but you don't get the chance without regular season results.

You know that I don't blindly support every move this team makes with their roster choices, and you know I think you've got some good insights and are generally a knowledgeable voice.... however you are completely off the deep end in your constant criticism of the whole thing. You have strong opinions about the kind of player you like... but that's just one opinion, there's lots of things that can make a good player. Does this group get everything right? Nope not at all, but they do get a lot right as evidenced by the fact they have all this regular season success and have made 5 straight championship games. Honestly biggest step now IMO is figuring out why the offense has turned into a giant pile of useless in 3 straight Grey cups and change that.

I not rticising the whole thing...but an aspect of things...and they are not unwarranted at that....we should arguably have won 4 of those 5 easily....and why we didnt....totally avoidable....and until we shift in how we do things...and shuffle the deck a bit in some instances....much of the same will likely be the result....if you...or anyone is happy with the post seson failures because we had a good regular season....so be it...I am not

Would you have rather made it to 3 cups in 5 yrs....and won em all....as opposed to be batting under .500 in 5..??...and basically cause we shot ourselves in the foot....with basically the same stupid reasons in 3 of the losses?....

2 grey cup losses tho the defence got walked over too when the rubber had to meet the road....so it's not just offence issues....Last yr was offense issues fielding 3/5ths OF a receiving corp that had no business or use playing....Thats on Coaching

2022 ZC was allowed to start...and play whole game when he was obviously hurt....couldnt move in pocket or plant properly to throw...rendering our passing attack useless....and he was never pulled...again....coaching ....which leads right to this yr....down by a TD...QB again was rendered useless by injury....but out he trots.....hate to say it again...thats on coaching....We lost 3 straight now for basically a combination of the same reasons...You would think now rolling into 2025 with a chance to play for a Cup at home....you would sit down and revisit the last 5 yrs...look at everything...top to bottom...the whats..why's...what we could have done different...what we SHOULD have done different....and turn the page and make the necessary tweaks.

The off-season is just starting so hard to say what our gameplan is going to be...we do know there will be a new or different scouting/recruitment set-up....we are going to have a new OC as well.....and I see 2 guys nobody expected to see us lose walk....so how the rest shapes up will be very telling and possibly exciting

But if we see a within hire for OC....no new player personnel guy brought in and re-upping of guys like Thomas....Biggie.....Wilson.... and Osh pumping their tires in the media about it.....nothing is changing for the better and it's just status quo....if there was/is a yr to make a fairly significant shift....this is the yr

[GCn20]

2 hours ago, Mark H. said:

But even so, the last 2 years have tipped the balance a bit too much. 

How so? This year we had a crap ton of rookie starters. More than any year in the past probably 10 years.

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I thought we added some great new pieces to our DL this year. Still a work in progress for sure, but it's nonsense to say we haven't turned over our DL.

There seems to be some polarizing viewpoints for sure and that's natural with strong opinions I think. I know I come off far more polarized than I generally am, but I'm a sucker for a good argument. Booch is probably the same. Once someone challenges your viewpoint the alpha response kicks in. 

we definitely did add some good pieces....it's more the fact that when they were in the lineup they took a back seat to a couple far inferior guys.

I think with Lawson back...WJ re-upped...Garbutt....and the best of Haba/Person...I think it will be Person ....and progression from Fox/Woods/Adams right there alone we have the makings for a super athletic/active front....Allow Samson....a new draft pick and Schmeck to battle it out for the rotational Cdn D-line guy....no need at all for Thomas to even be considered...let alone eating up over 100k of SMS

I as well welcome and like a good discussion/differing of opinions and listening to others view points.....Nothing personal and we all want same end result....I think

[GCn20]

40 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

The biggest issue here with the team starting to crumble is that they aren't really finding guys on the US side who make a difference.

Look at receiver/running back/receiver.  We had 20 guys in camp and the only one who ended up not being a total dud was Ontaria Wilson, who is an average talent level CFL receiver.  Rush end.  WIL LB.  Kicker/punter (Globals included who are mostly playing in US).

They've been great at finding DB's and found Schoen.

They've hit some home runs but also had some major whiffs.  Need more singles and doubles.

I think this year was a great group of rookies. Ontaria Wilson was a rookie. He could really be something yet. Same goes for a number of first year starters this year that flashed a lot of potential. I do agree with your Schoen-a-year standard though. What we need to be striving for.

Just now, Booch said:

we definitely did add some good pieces....it's more the fact that when they were in the lineup they took a back seat to a couple far inferior guys.

I think with Lawson back...WJ re-upped...Garbutt....and the best of Haba/Person...I think it will be Person ....and progression from Fox/Woods/Adams right there alone we have the makings for a super athletic/active front....Allow Samson....a new draft pick and Schmeck to battle it out for the rotational Cdn D-line guy....no need at all for Thomas to even be considered...let alone eating up over 100k of SMS

I as well welcome and like a good discussion/differing of opinions and listening to others view points.....Nothing personal and we all want same end result....I think

You think right. I want the Cup....we all want the cup....and that's why at the end of the day we can agree to disagree but none of us take it personal. It's all passion for our team.