2024/2025 CFL (non-Bomber) Off-Season Thread

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

If he is used as he was last year very problematic, however, context is everything. Last year we lost Lawson in TC leaving too many reps for Jake.

we didnt need to play a Canadian there tho...so thats kind of a weak reasoning for it....wasnt required for ratio at all

[Booch]

5 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Line play won us 2 grey cups. Fans look at the QB, and understandably so. But both lines are as critical as the QB is. The main way of winning games in every league from college to the pros is protecting the QB, and limiting the other qbs time to throw. 

The ends were as big an issue as jake last year, mainly the end opposite willy. But willy coasted for long stretches and shuts down vs double teams. Plus he was a huge liability in the run game. 

Thats true. I don't expect jake to take the majority of snaps any more. But I wouldn't; be surprised if he does either. We ran out the 2 NI DL look on 30 and 40 fronts wayy too much last year. Part of me is worried we will start jake and rotate lawson with woods.

thats exactly whats gonna happen

Our dline play has suffered since we went aay from heavy rotation with guys like Nevis and Stove in middle...with minimal Jake...and 4 ends who all could contribute and make impact plays...we need to get back to that

4 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I get your worry, but I just can't see it happening.

not to be a dickwad...but why?

For yrs now we have seen Osh run out inferior guys...lean toward favorites...and play injured guys..many of whom were favs over j=healthy guys...whats gonna make him change now? I see no reason for him to not continue the trend....and if not for Biggie being hurt right now..He's be starting this yr too

5 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I hope youre right. If jake is the 6/7th DL and rotating in for under 10 ish snaps a game including short yardage, I think our DL will be pretty good this year. Much better than last. 

Shouldnt tho Smason or another promising rookie be that guy?....allow the to develop and give you possible roster fluidity next yr...and the next?

If he feels he needs to have him on the roster so badly....Re-number him and have him be that 7th olineman for the jumbo packages....and can serve as in game depth for 2 or 3 reps or soley as insurance if 2 guys go down....Stealing repsfrom better players, or stunting young guys growth does nothing for the betterment of the team...now...and into 2026

[Doublezero]

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Edited February 6 by Doublezero

[wbbfan]

14 minutes ago, Booch said:

thats exactly whats gonna happen

Our dline play has suffered since we went aay from heavy rotation with guys like Nevis and Stove in middle...with minimal Jake...and 4 ends who all could contribute and make impact plays...we need to get back to that

not to be a dickwad...but why?

For yrs now we have seen Osh run out inferior guys...lean toward favorites...and play injured guys..many of whom were favs over j=healthy guys...whats gonna make him change now? I see no reason for him to not continue the trend....and if not for Biggie being hurt right now..He's be starting this yr too

Shouldnt tho Smason or another promising rookie be that guy?....allow the to develop and give you possible roster fluidity next yr...and the next?

If he feels he needs to have him on the roster so badly....Re-number him and have him be that 7th olineman for the jumbo packages....and can serve as in game depth for 2 or 3 reps or soley as insurance if 2 guys go down....Stealing repsfrom better players, or stunting young guys growth does nothing for the betterment of the team...now...and into 2026

It has, we cycled through guys expecting a never-ending stretch of dominant imp DTs. Until after sayles we just brought in far fewer guys of a lower tier. 

We reinvented what wasn't broken. 

Samson should certainly get a good shot at it. But we should've brought Hubert back too. 

The only hope is that the upper-level mafia pushes quality over favoritism and that the exodus of other guys puts us in a position where things change. 

[Fatty Liver]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

 

Exactky...some people can't actually see what needs to be seen....or actually know what to watch....no slight on them as they do not have an extensive football background....but he is just not good enough and you can see teams do specific things for when he is out there

People will challange the criticism that "I will trust in Osh as he is a coach and people complaining are nobodies) well many people here have real extensive football back grounds and knowledge...And yah Osh is a pro coach...but he has shown time and time again for over 10 yrs now, that he has favorites and values certain guys for reasons only known to him, that are not based on talent and whats best for the team and roster....It's not just a complaint here that he looks like a mixed beer league slow pitch player....tho that also doesnt help his cause either....he's constantly sucking wind....not involved....can't really go and get involved and just flat out...is not good enough anymore nor deserves to be on a roster....reality hurts and sucks...but thats the reality

[wpgallday1960]

O man not good.  D Houston charged with domestic violence.

 

[17to85]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

Our dline play has suffered since we went aay from heavy rotation with guys like Nevis and Stove in middle...with minimal Jake...and 4 ends who all could contribute and make impact plays...we need to get back to that

I don't think given the changes to the defense we necessarily need to get back to that, but they need a stronger rotation than they had last season. Doesn't have to be 8 guys like it was, but need more out of what they have. Which is probably why you see some of the bodies from that rotation leaving. 

Forget Jake, he's only here for the lifetime achievement award.

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

It has, we cycled through guys expecting a never-ending stretch of dominant imp DTs. Until after sayles we just brought in far fewer guys of a lower tier. 

We reinvented what wasn't broken. 

Samson should certainly get a good shot at it. But we should've brought Hubert back too. 

The only hope is that the upper-level mafia pushes quality over favoritism and that the exodus of other guys puts us in a position where things change. 

I just don't see a universe where Jake outplays Lawson for the vast majority of reps this year. Last year was easy for Osh to give the reps to JT. there was no proven commodity behind him. This year, it would be near impossible knowing what we know about Lawson's ability.

[GCn20]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

 

Exactky...some people can't actually see what needs to be seen....or actually know what to watch....no slight on them as they do not have an extensive football background....but he is just not good enough and you can see teams do specific things for when he is out there

People will challange the criticism that "I will trust in Osh as he is a coach and people complaining are nobodies) well many people here have real extensive football back grounds and knowledge...And yah Osh is a pro coach...but he has shown time and time again for over 10 yrs now, that he has favorites and values certain guys for reasons only known to him, that are not based on talent and whats best for the team and roster....It's not just a complaint here that he looks like a mixed beer league slow pitch player....tho that also doesnt help his cause either....he's constantly sucking wind....not involved....can't really go and get involved and just flat out...is not good enough anymore nor deserves to be on a roster....reality hurts and sucks...but thats the reality

Some people see what they wanna see. Don't give me this crapola about anyone disagreeing with your take not having football knowledge. That is pure bullshit and an absolutely garbage way to conduct a discussion on a forum. I have played and coached football at a high enough level to know what I am talking about. You are not the only guy on here with football experience. No one is suggesting that JT isn't a problem, what some of us are saying is that you seem awfully fixated on one roster player being the root of all evil. Perhaps it is you that has lost perspective? Have you ever considered that? For two years now you have been suggesting that the rostering at the bottom of our game day depth chart outweighs the positives of MOS's coaching overall and that my friend is just plain bias on your part because that assessment isn't coming with any kind of football acumen behind it. If that is not what you are saying then why the 2 year long circle jerk about it? Yes, JT got way more reps last year than he should have. No one is disagreeing. What you always and conveniently never take into consideration is that injury was the main reason for a lot of them. Look...We ALL agree that MOS has some negative coaching habits, Just not going to dwell on them because he is outstanding in so many other areas that it makes up for his weaknesses. Good gravy man....hearing you talk about MOS one would think he stole your wife.

24 minutes ago, wpgallday1960 said:

O man not good.  D Houston charged with domestic violence.

 

Not good at all.

Edited February 6 by GCn20

[bigg jay]

https://3downnation.com/2025/02/06/calgary-stampeders-db-demerio-houston-charged-with-domestic-violence/

[CrazyCanuck89]

32 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I just don't see a universe where Jake outplays Lawson for the vast majority of reps this year. Last year was easy for Osh to give the reps to JT. there was no proven commodity behind him. This year, it would be near impossible knowing what we know about Lawson's ability.

You have Lawson and Samson hold down the three technique.

Bring in Thomas in certain packages, like a 3-4 nose.

 

[Booch]

34 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I just don't see a universe where Jake outplays Lawson for the vast majority of reps this year. Last year was easy for Osh to give the reps to JT. there was no proven commodity behind him. This year, it would be near impossible knowing what we know about Lawson's ability.

Fox..Adams and Woods all offered more...pretty viable option ....That being said with Osh at times...it's not a matter of who outplays who....its in several instances just his personal choice it appears

 

27 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Some people see what they wanna see. Don't give me this crapola about anyone disagreeing with your take not having football knowledge. That is pure bullshit and an absolutely garbage way to conduct a discussion on a forum. I have played and coached football at a high enough level to know what I am talking about. You are not the only guy on here with football experience. No one is suggesting that JT isn't a problem, what some of us are saying is that you seem awfully fixated on one roster player being the root of all evil. Perhaps it is you that has lost perspective? Have you ever considered that? For two years now you have been suggesting that the rostering at the bottom of our game day depth chart outweighs the positives of MOS's coaching overall and that my friend is just plain bias on your part because that assessment isn't coming with any kind of football acumen behind it. If that is not what you are saying then why the 2 year long circle jerk about it? Yes, JT got way more reps last year than he should have. No one is disagreeing. What you always and conveniently never take into consideration is that injury was the main reason for a lot of them. Look...We ALL agree that MOS has some negative coaching habits, Just not going to dwell on them because he is outstanding in so many other areas that it makes up for his weaknesses. Good gravy man....hearing you talk about MOS one would think he stole your wife.

Not good at all.

not jus my take...and its as clear as black and white...it;s not an issue of nuttuggers arguing against people who have sense and ability to be critical....and if you are what yuou claim....you would see it and not defend defend defend because it suits your take....goes both ways,,and if you read what I said there are many on the site with great football experience before you got your cotton dockers all bunged up...Have talled to many personally and know exactly the backgrounds and experience....tho have not talked to you I see a lot of you know what you are talking about....not sure what you consider "high enough" level being but you have way more insight and knowledge than most

Of course everyone should agree JT is a dumb rostering....but also should have the sense to realize that a no upside..rapidly declining player who many say is ok to have for" 6 or so reps"...and should have no consideration at all for 226 should be replaced with a younger...more talented player with upside and a future here...to absorb those supposedly minimal reps. kick starting their development...at a lesser cost and givingyou theexact same....most likely more....and knowing what I know and Osh and how he operates...JT will be getting plenty of reps

And it's not the "bottom" of the game day depth...was throughout...injured guys over halthy...guys dressed but dont see a rep....inferior guys over more talented....Excessive Canadians when not needed....on and on...yr after yr

I have appluaded Osh for the positives....but I also criticize with the negatives..and they are a plemty....a strong in its prime roster hid a lot of them...not so much now....and its not 2 yrs....it gong on 4 yrs of failure for the exact same reasons.....I also am a person who doesnt believe all they read in media and lil sound bites here and there as I get my news and sound bites a lot of times right at the source...unfiltered and not fluffed...so take it as you wish.....doesnt matter to me....and loosen up the dockers now ....and you are correct...some people see what they wanna see.....a good self descriptive comment for sure

16 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

You have Lawson and Samson hold down the three technique.

Bring in Thomas in certain packages, like a 3-4 nose.

 

at nose he's prob at his worst...teams just flush him to wherever they want 

22 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

https://3downnation.com/2025/02/06/calgary-stampeders-db-demerio-houston-charged-with-domestic-violence/

not a good look...shameful

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, wpgallday1960 said:

O man not good.  D Houston charged with domestic violence.

 

The issuing magistrate wrote the accused had a history of domestic violence against the victim but she had previously been afraid to come forward
 

makes me feel sick. This pos was taking about fearing for his kid at their home in the us because of local violence and in the end he was the violence in the home. 

43 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

You have Lawson and Samson hold down the three technique.

Bring in Thomas in certain packages, like a 3-4 nose.

 

Lawson is the nose and Thomas is the 3 tech. Not the other way around. Lawson is the mainstay, and Jake rotates in at 3tech. Then you put woods on the nose. 

[Tracker]

Goveia snapping up these ex-Bombers would indicated that he had little faith in the coaches here using said players to the best of their abilities.

[SpeedFlex27]

1 minute ago, Tracker said:

Goveia snapping up these ex-Bombers would indicated that he had little faith in the coaches here using said players to the best of their abilities.

More like Hamilton can't do their own scouting. You'd think Walters would have wanted to sign a couple of these guys that left.

[greenrider55]

Brian Cole could be a sneaky solid pickup for Hamilton.

[WinnipegGordo]

and another one. 

 

[Mike]

11 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Goveia snapping up these ex-Bombers would indicated that he had little faith in the coaches here using said players to the best of their abilities.

… do you think he’s running a football team or a safe haven for under appreciated athletes?

what kind of ridiculous take is this 

[Brandon]

23 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Goveia snapping up these ex-Bombers would indicated that he had little faith in the coaches here using said players to the best of their abilities.

Or he has a very limited list of players that he has scouted.  We've seen teams in the past where coaches/management brought in their old players with little to no success.  

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

Goveia snapping up these ex-Bombers would indicated that he had little faith in the coaches here using said players to the best of their abilities.

We have the edmon argos west, and now Hamilton blue tigers as recycling centers.

Whenever teams turnover their rosters to a large degree it takes a lot of time to adjust and end up out before they gel.Youd think hed target a team in his conference to enhance playoff chances

 

Edited February 7 by Pete

[Booch]

All solid players Ham signed with league experience to hit ground running...all save for woli under utilized as well...will be interesting to see how they do...will Definitely be minimal gelling time

And at worse...solid depth behind starters...more depth than we have currently on defence...

[GCn20]

4 hours ago, Booch said:

Fox..Adams and Woods all offered more...pretty viable option ....That being said with Osh at times...it's not a matter of who outplays who....its in several instances just his personal choice it appears

 

not jus my take...and its as clear as black and white...it;s not an issue of nuttuggers arguing against people who have sense and ability to be critical....and if you are what yuou claim....you would see it and not defend defend defend because it suits your take....goes both ways,,and if you read what I said there are many on the site with great football experience before you got your cotton dockers all bunged up...Have talled to many personally and know exactly the backgrounds and experience....tho have not talked to you I see a lot of you know what you are talking about....not sure what you consider "high enough" level being but you have way more insight and knowledge than most

Of course everyone should agree JT is a dumb rostering....but also should have the sense to realize that a no upside..rapidly declining player who many say is ok to have for" 6 or so reps"...and should have no consideration at all for 226 should be replaced with a younger...more talented player with upside and a future here...to absorb those supposedly minimal reps. kick starting their development...at a lesser cost and givingyou theexact same....most likely more....and knowing what I know and Osh and how he operates...JT will be getting plenty of reps

And it's not the "bottom" of the game day depth...was throughout...injured guys over halthy...guys dressed but dont see a rep....inferior guys over more talented....Excessive Canadians when not needed....on and on...yr after yr

I have appluaded Osh for the positives....but I also criticize with the negatives..and they are a plemty....a strong in its prime roster hid a lot of them...not so much now....and its not 2 yrs....it gong on 4 yrs of failure for the exact same reasons.....I also am a person who doesnt believe all they read in media and lil sound bites here and there as I get my news and sound bites a lot of times right at the source...unfiltered and not fluffed...so take it as you wish.....doesnt matter to me....and loosen up the dockers now ....and you are correct...some people see what they wanna see.....a good self descriptive comment for sure

at nose he's prob at his worst...teams just flush him to wherever they want 

not a good look...shameful

Fair enuff. Sorry took offense to your wording and appreciate the clarification

[Brandon]

4 hours ago, Booch said:

All solid players Ham signed with league experience to hit ground running...all save for woli under utilized as well...will be interesting to see how they do...will Definitely be minimal gelling time

And at worse...solid depth behind starters...more depth than we have currently on defence...

Lots of TCF from what I can see,  week in and week out we complained about most of these guys being invisible and under performing.    

[Booch]

13 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Fair enuff. Sorry took offense to your wording and appreciate the clarification

no worries....and thats what the forum is all about...discussion...differing opinion....nothing personal....and I take in and appreciate view and suggestion from different vantage points, and experience as mine...cause yeah people can be influenced with bias with not even knowing it...I just seen our roster degradation coming since 2022, and truthfully I dont wish injury on anyone but it was key for some our turn over last yr....and into this yr...but we still need to...or should have purged a few more...maybe we will get a surprise cut or 2 in camp...Osh may have grown some onions in that regard

 

10 hours ago, Brandon said:

Lots of TCF from what I can see,  week in and week out we complained about most of these guys being invisible and under performing.    

doesnt say much for us then last yr with a roster littered with TC fodder all yr starting...now does it?

[wbbfan]

9 hours ago, Brandon said:

Lots of TCF from what I can see,  week in and week out we complained about most of these guys being invisible and under performing.    

Imo their scoops break down like this

Starter, Woli, Dobson, lawler, 

DI/Teams/rotational-fringe starter

Cole, Garbutt, Fox

End roster Canadian but useful player

Hubert

 I don't see any TCF. Maybe fox, and garbutt don't make the AR, but they are excellent bodies to have on their team. I'd love to still have a bunch of those guys.