2024/2025 CFL (non-Bomber) Off-Season Thread

[wbbfan]

  On 2024-12-16 at 8:43 PM, johnzo said:

The dude's game has changed a bunch in his time as a starter tho -- he used to be at his best running around, scrambling, making DLs look silly with that spin move and making big hay on broken plays.  nowadays he's not nearly as zippy as he once was, he plays much more controlled with quick throws from the pocket.  Looks like mileage and maturity (and the Maas coaching) has been accumulating.

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I think a lot of that comes down to Maas doing a great job of off setting fajardos weaknesses. Plus having stellar talent at ol and wr. But he has certainly matured and doesn’t just need to rely on spin move left to right! lol 

 

  On 2024-12-16 at 8:48 PM, johnzo said:

speaking of running QBs, Tracy Ham was one of the most complete guys I've ever seen play.  He could kill you with his legs or his arm and he was way more consistent than guys like Dunigan and Allen were.  Basically a QB designed for the CFL, not a glorified running back.

I think Ham is a guy we don't talk about enough when talking about the all-time greats -- he's not a Flutie or Moon but fits real nice in the tier underneath those guys.

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Qft 

 

[Mark H.]

  On 2024-12-16 at 9:38 PM, wbbfan said:

I think a lot of that comes down to Maas doing a great job of off setting fajardos weaknesses. Plus having stellar talent at ol and wr. But he has certainly matured and doesn’t just need to rely on spin move left to right! lol 

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Agreed.  Especially compared to what he had in Saskatchewan.  Receivers were ok, but that OL was terrible.   

[johnzo]

  On 2024-12-16 at 9:38 PM, wbbfan said:

I think a lot of that comes down to Maas doing a great job of off setting fajardos weaknesses.

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I think Maas did a great job rolling out Davis Alexander too. 

So glad that Maas beat out Mace for COTY.  once upon a time the dude was just a jug-eared gatorade destroyer, but now he's the guy who beat us in the Grey Cup with Cody freakin Fajardo.  Bragging rights earned.

[bb1]

  On 2024-12-16 at 9:29 PM, johnzo said:

Dunigan at his best was fantastic, but I don't think you'd ever call him clutch. He laid a lot of playoff / Grey Cup eggs.

The one I remember best is the Grey Cup in 1992. Our D was awesome, it held Flutie & Co to just 24 points, but it got zero support from the O.  Dunigan only mustered 46 yards of passing in 3+ quarters before he got pulled for Danny Mac.  He was worse than numb-thumb Collaros.

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If you look at the receivers we had in that game big reason, we got down fast in that game too...any QB playing against Flutie had trouble in those days. In their prime though and you could pick a QB between the 2...it would be Dunigan imo. 

[wbbfan]

  On 2024-12-16 at 10:20 PM, johnzo said:

I think Maas did a great job rolling out Davis Alexander too. 

So glad that Maas beat out Mace for COTY.  once upon a time the dude was just a jug-eared gatorade destroyer, but now he's the guy who beat us in the Grey Cup with Cody freakin Fajardo.  Bragging rights earned.

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That’s a great point. Maas in Montreal has been a completely different animal vs how he was previously. Idr the last famous Maas meltdown. Always a keen football mind and talented coach. Hes certainly turned a corner in Montreal. 
 

  On 2024-12-16 at 10:12 PM, Mark H. said:

Agreed.  Especially compared to what he had in Saskatchewan.  Receivers were ok, but that OL was terrible.   

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yeah ssk had decent possession WRs. Mtl has guys who are extremely dangerous with the ball in their hand. But the ol is the big difference. Literally from worst ol to best ol in the league. 

[Brandon]

  On 2024-12-16 at 9:16 PM, bb1 said:

You lost me at Dunigan. Hey everyone has a right to their opinion but Ham was not a better Qb than Dunigan .....

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Would you rank Zach over both of them?

[bluto]

https://www.cfl.ca/2024/12/16/argos-sign-american-db-donald-rutledge-jr/

 

A Bomber connection to this Argo signing.

Thoughts?

[Booch]

  On 2024-12-16 at 11:21 PM, bluto said:

https://www.cfl.ca/2024/12/16/argos-sign-american-db-donald-rutledge-jr/

 

A Bomber connection to this Argo signing.

Thoughts?

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Not sure why we went away from him....was very good and had high upside....word ws he hit a rookie wall....pfffft to that.....that's a lame excuse reasoning and never like when I see that comment in press.....you got a good one there

[bluto]

  On 2024-12-16 at 11:30 PM, Booch said:

Not sure why we went away from him....was very good and had high upside....word ws he hit a rookie wall....pfffft to that.....that's a lame excuse reasoning and never like when I see that comment in press.....you got a good one there

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He wasn't brought back as a choice? Or he wanted to play in the USFL?

[Booch]

  On 2024-12-16 at 11:35 PM, bluto said:

He wasn't brought back as a choice? Or he wanted to play in the USFL?

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we didnt seem to wanna bring him back....he was for good portion of the yr one of our better defensive guys.....weird all around to be honest

Edited December 16, 2024 by Booch

[wbbfan]

  On 2024-12-16 at 11:30 PM, Booch said:

Not sure why we went away from him....was very good and had high upside....word ws he hit a rookie wall....pfffft to that.....that's a lame excuse reasoning and never like when I see that comment in press.....you got a good one there

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He hit the wall seemingly with cardio. Was damn good before that. 
 Really like that get for the Argos. 

[bb1]

  On 2024-12-16 at 11:17 PM, Brandon said:

Would you rank Zach over both of them?

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That is a tough one, a political answer ,Zach is right there! 😉

[GCn20]

  On 2024-12-16 at 11:21 PM, bluto said:

https://www.cfl.ca/2024/12/16/argos-sign-american-db-donald-rutledge-jr/

 

A Bomber connection to this Argo signing.

Thoughts?

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Meh...depth I would think.

  On 2024-12-17 at 12:12 AM, wbbfan said:

He hit the wall seemingly with cardio. Was damn good before that. 
 Really like that get for the Argos. 

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He was gassed and got burned badly for like 3 straight games before we went away from him. OC's picked up on it and we were getting torched. IIRC his gassing problem was due to bad asthma. Would be a great guy to have to rotate in though.

Edited December 17, 2024 by GCn20

[johnzo]

Fajardo now an Elk and MBT is an Alouette.

Wonder if the Elks will pay Cody's big offseason bonus? 

Can the Als pay both MBT and Alexander?

Per cfl.ca, MBT is a free agent in February.

 

Edited December 17, 2024 by johnzo

[Noeller]

 

 

[Arnold_Palmer]

  On 2024-12-17 at 9:57 PM, Noeller said:

 

 

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Interesting because CF has voiced that he still wants to be a starting QB, I wonder how Tre Ford feels when he was getting the lip service that he was going to be the franchise QB. Obviously something has to give here. 

[wbbfan]

  On 2024-12-17 at 7:29 PM, GCn20 said:

Meh...depth I would think.

He was gassed and got burned badly for like 3 straight games before we went away from him. OC's picked up on it and we were getting torched. IIRC his gassing problem was due to bad asthma. Would be a great guy to have to rotate in though.

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Yep. Some times rookies just need to get acclimatized to 18 game seasons. It’s a real adjustment. 
 

Interesting trade. I like it for Montreal. It does consolidate styles styles really well for both. Makes sense to have Fajardo who can atleast run with ford. Bet faj takes over before ldc. 

[Noeller]

  On 2024-12-17 at 10:36 PM, Arnold_Palmer said:

Interesting because CF has voiced that he still wants to be a starting QB, I wonder how Tre Ford feels when he was getting the lip service that he was going to be the franchise QB. Obviously something has to give here. 

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If you can't beat out Faj, you don't deserve to be a starter. 

[HardCoreBlue]

  On 2024-12-17 at 10:36 PM, Arnold_Palmer said:

Interesting because CF has voiced that he still wants to be a starting QB, I wonder how Tre Ford feels when he was getting the lip service that he was going to be the franchise QB. Obviously something has to give here. 

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Bring your popcorn. 🙂

[Fatty Liver]

  On 2024-12-17 at 10:36 PM, Arnold_Palmer said:

Interesting because CF has voiced that he still wants to be a starting QB, I wonder how Tre Ford feels when he was getting the lip service that he was going to be the franchise QB. Obviously something has to give here. 

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Tre Ford best shut up and win football games if he wants to remain #1, competition in the house.  

[Colin Unger]

Is it odd that 3 different QB's starting Grey Cup's against us the last 3 years. Winnipeg lost all three games. Not a single one of those three is projected to be a starter heading into training camp this year. 

[wbbfan]

  On 2024-12-17 at 11:22 PM, Colin Unger said:

Is it odd that 3 different QB's starting Grey Cup's against us the last 3 years. Winnipeg lost all three games. Not a single one of those three is projected to be a starter heading into training camp this year. 

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It’s really damn sad that’s for sure. 
 

 

[Arnold_Palmer]

  On 2024-12-17 at 11:22 PM, Colin Unger said:

Is it odd that 3 different QB's starting Grey Cup's against us the last 3 years. Winnipeg lost all three games. Not a single one of those three is projected to be a starter heading into training camp this year. 

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Missed opportunities for sure. We should be atleast 4-1 in the grey cup in those years. 

[rebusrankin]

You guys have trigged me. I am now off to my safe space.

[Booch]

  On 2024-12-17 at 11:23 PM, wbbfan said:

It’s really damn sad that’s for sure. 
 

 

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says a lot about our coaching and how we went about things to be honest....I'm sure the "ya but's" will chime in all googoo gaga about reg. season wins....but it mins sqwuat

We should have pocketed 5 in a row....sure qe got to 5....but were our own worst enemy in them