2024/2025 CFL (non-Bomber) Off-Season Thread

[17to85]

25 minutes ago, bluto said:

Fair enough in that I do believe it to be a fact.

I know that the meme about MOS not trusting backups to the point of playing clearly unfit players over fit ones has a lot of truth in it, but it doesn't answer the obvious question of "what if he had a backup that he did trust?". Full disclosure, I wouldn't have trusted either BB backup QB either. I think they suck. But if Nick Arbuckle was available as your backup when Zach got his boo-boo, I think MOS would've put him in and that you'd have sealed it.

Edit to add: I also think that Cameron Dukes is better than your backups and could've won it for you.

A backup qb wouldn't have changed anything for the Bombers in the grey cup. It was always about whether or not the Bombers did anything against the argos D. They were poor vs. Them all year and same was true in the grey cup.  Likely only difference would have been another close loss vs. The lopsided score after collaros threw the ball away all 2nd half.

[Tracker]

21 hours ago, blue85gold said:

Never heard of him

He's  a bum who can't win nuthin'.

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

You consider Dobson a loss, I don't. We can argue about that if you want but you won't change my mind on that.

Addition by subtraction on both the DL and OL. Sorry, all i see is a bunch of scrubs walking away.

Yep...I see Lawson coming back as an improvement that will radically chance JT's usage, I see Vaughters as way better than Haba/Garbutt. 

Faint praise,  indeed.

[GCn20]

10 minutes ago, Mike said:

I don’t get this logic at all. Like … it doesn’t even make a bit of sense.

Even if you don’t think Dobson is a world beater (and I don’t either, I think he’s fairly average) he was still Canadian and better than anything we currently have on our roster and better than anything currently out there available to bring in.

There’s no possible way to suggest our OL is currently better than it was two days ago. At all. You can think it will be better in time, you can think it will be better if we run an American out at guard instead and that’s all fair to suggest but it would’ve been just as fair if we had Dobson. And we don’t. That’s a loss as it stands today.

Randolph is miles better than Dobson and I honestly believe Wallace is too. Therefore better. That is one possible way our line is better and I have not even included the almost certainty that we will almost definitely be going to be bringing someone in. 

6 minutes ago, Tracker said:

He's  a bum who can't win nuthin'.

Faint praise,  indeed.

I never said we were miles better....just better.

19 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Still for a Canadian that’s bananas. Not as crazy as fords deal cus he is a good edge rusher but damn. How do you compete with half a million tied up between those two? 
 Should’ve been more than Lawson but under 180k imo 

 

Only Dobson has moved which is really odd 

Could be guys like McEwan are weighing multiple offers still

[Noeller]

I can't remember which thread were talking about this in, but.......

 

 

 

 

[Mike]

That’s ridiculous 

[GCn20]

1 minute ago, Noeller said:

I can't remember which thread were talking about this in, but.......

 

 

 

 

I am getting a very bad feeling that a couple GMs may have found out before others. It will be unprovable of course but we all know which two.

Just now, Mike said:

That’s ridiculous 

Unbelievable really. HTF do teams go into FA without the info as to what the cap will be.

13 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

A backup qb wouldn't have changed anything for the Bombers in the grey cup. It was always about whether or not the Bombers did anything against the argos D. They were poor vs. Them all year and same was true in the grey cup.  Likely only difference would have been another close loss vs. The lopsided score after collaros threw the ball away all 2nd half.

Cameron Dukes Grey Cup MVP....im thinking that Bluto has been hitting the bong.

[bluto]

 

11 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

A backup qb wouldn't have changed anything for the Bombers in the grey cup. It was always about whether or not the Bombers did anything against the argos D. They were poor vs. Them all year and same was true in the grey cup.  Likely only difference would have been another close loss vs. The lopsided score after collaros threw the ball away all 2nd half.

Maybe I imagined Collaros with a messed up finger getting picked 3 times leading to 17 Argo points (the margin of victory), and robbing Winnipeg of any points they may have gotten?

[Arnold_Palmer]

19 minutes ago, Mike said:

That’s ridiculous 

******* stupid!!

[Booch]

57 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Agree, though Lawson if 100% or close to it is head and shoulders better than Jake or shmek. Plus never know, Jake might finally miss games. 
 

 

If he is healthy is prob one of the top Canadian DT's in the league...and still is young and just coming into his prime yrs

 

44 minutes ago, bearpants said:

Smith at 230 is excessive... but I would've had zero issue with that Ceresna deal... outside of Zach and Brady, we don't really have any one who has a "crazy" contract right now (arguably Kramdi).... and Brady is living up to his...

why we were not in on Ceresna at that...or even 230k is baffling to me...Unless for some reason he didnt wanna playhere....or did we figure we good at DT with the usual suspects??....I may lean that way actually sadly

 

42 minutes ago, bluto said:

Fair enough in that I do believe it to be a fact.

I know that the meme about MOS not trusting backups to the point of playing clearly unfit players over fit ones has a lot of truth in it, but it doesn't answer the obvious question of "what if he had a backup that he did trust?". Full disclosure, I wouldn't have trusted either BB backup QB either. I think they suck. But if Nick Arbuckle was available as your backup when Zach got his boo-boo, I think MOS would've put him in and that you'd have sealed it.

Edit to add: I also think that Cameron Dukes is better than your backups and could've won it for you.

he did...he said they all starters...and only here cause theygive us a chance to win...Obvioulsy he himself knows thats a load of B.S he shovells at the fan base when players are questioned

 

35 minutes ago, Tracker said:

With the salary cap going up, maybe we can afford  to give Jake a raise.

with it going up was even more reason to cut bait with him and make a offer you couldnt refuse to the best interior dline gy on the FA market....but we didnt

 

24 minutes ago, Mike said:

I don’t get this logic at all. Like … it doesn’t even make a bit of sense.

Even if you don’t think Dobson is a world beater (and I don’t either, I think he’s fairly average) he was still Canadian and better than anything we currently have on our roster and better than anything currently out there available to bring in.

There’s no possible way to suggest our OL is currently better than it was two days ago. At all. You can think it will be better in time, you can think it will be better if we run an American out at guard instead and that’s all fair to suggest but it would’ve been just as fair if we had Dobson. And we don’t. That’s a loss as it stands today.

I dont see that logic either...we lost starters in Lawler..Woli...Wilson...Dobson...Fox....Haba...Garbutt...Ford

Does Haggerty...White Jr....Mitchell....Re-upping Thomas...hanging onto Schmeck...Vaughters....and unknown at moment at guard make us as good or better than last yr?...Vaughters does as the starting end...after that I'd say ....no....maybe comparable....and that wasnt good enough last yr. The Jones signing is a big one...and Logan is too as it satisfy's a couple needs all by itself

We now have no depth at DT or DE really other than a couple holdovers fro last yr and whatever we bring in...and same with oline....Say you put Wallace in at Guard...or Eli...we now have no depth behind for that 6th...and god I hope not 7th guy on roster....I also highly doubt we will go 3 imports on the oline.....and we still have Kolo at center...averagely pedestrian at best, but there are a couple upgrades still out there in FA...do we make that move or does Osh let his loyalty dictate our best roster??

Was that a reason we never even had a competitive offer for any of the dline guys who got scooped up?...if we even made an offer?

Looking at the scraps left we dont have a lot of real options in FA to make us better....If it was me I'd target Couture to get Kolo off the roster....I'd also sign Oakman to work the middle with Woods and Adams and I sure Younger could do some funky stuff with him....WJ....Vaughters 

I'd bring in Adeleke and let him and Kelly battle for the safety spot...the best gets it the other is solid depth and great on teams....Id make a play for Albright who was in Sask and let him battle with Person for the rotating end...and the bestgets it..the other stays on as depth if doable....or on the PR to be groomed

I'd also bring BOLO back as the 1-2 punch with Clercius ....and then trust in scouting to round things out in TC....A true TC where jobs are to be won

 

 

[bluto]

9 minutes ago, Booch said:

why we were not in on Ceresna at that...or even 230k is baffling to me...Unless for some reason he didnt wanna playhere....or did we figure we good at DT with the usual suspects??....I may lean that way actually sadly

I think his spouse and her family is from Edmonchuk?

[GCn20]

22 minutes ago, bluto said:

I think his spouse and her family is from Edmonchuk?

Yea....Ceresna told Edmonton radio that he just needed a decent offer from Edmonton, and that his family really wanted to return there.

[CrazyCanuck89]

35 minutes ago, Booch said:

If he is healthy is prob one of the top Canadian DT's in the league...and still is young and just coming into his prime yrs

 

why we were not in on Ceresna at that...or even 230k is baffling to me...Unless for some reason he didnt wanna playhere....or did we figure we good at DT with the usual suspects??....I may lean that way actually sadly

 

he did...he said they all starters...and only here cause theygive us a chance to win...Obvioulsy he himself knows thats a load of B.S he shovells at the fan base when players are questioned

 

with it going up was even more reason to cut bait with him and make a offer you couldnt refuse to the best interior dline gy on the FA market....but we didnt

 

I dont see that logic either...we lost starters in Lawler..Woli...Wilson...Dobson...Fox....Haba...Garbutt...Ford

Does Haggerty...White Jr....Mitchell....Re-upping Thomas...hanging onto Schmeck...Vaughters....and unknown at moment at guard make us as good or better than last yr?...Vaughters does as the starting end...after that I'd say ....no....maybe comparable....and that wasnt good enough last yr. The Jones signing is a big one...and Logan is too as it satisfy's a couple needs all by itself

We now have no depth at DT or DE really other than a couple holdovers fro last yr and whatever we bring in...and same with oline....Say you put Wallace in at Guard...or Eli...we now have no depth behind for that 6th...and god I hope not 7th guy on roster....I also highly doubt we will go 3 imports on the oline.....and we still have Kolo at center...averagely pedestrian at best, but there are a couple upgrades still out there in FA...do we make that move or does Osh let his loyalty dictate our best roster??

Was that a reason we never even had a competitive offer for any of the dline guys who got scooped up?...if we even made an offer?

Looking at the scraps left we dont have a lot of real options in FA to make us better....If it was me I'd target Couture to get Kolo off the roster....I'd also sign Oakman to work the middle with Woods and Adams and I sure Younger could do some funky stuff with him....WJ....Vaughters 

I'd bring in Adeleke and let him and Kelly battle for the safety spot...the best gets it the other is solid depth and great on teams....Id make a play for Albright who was in Sask and let him battle with Person for the rotating end...and the bestgets it..the other stays on as depth if doable....or on the PR to be groomed

I'd also bring BOLO back as the 1-2 punch with Clercius ....and then trust in scouting to round things out in TC....A true TC where jobs are to be won

 

 

You can grab adepth Olinemen in the draft to be the 6th or 7th.  How do you think they developed Wallace, Dobson, Eli?

Edited 9 hours ago by CrazyCanuck89

[Booch]

u can....But do you really want the 6th guy being a straight from college guy?...as your depth...I dont

and for the 7th...I meant we dont need to run 7 on roster....You can utilize MCI and Clercius in the jumbo role....which would also allow for more deception and trickery if you so desired

[17to85]

2 hours ago, bluto said:

 

Maybe I imagined Collaros with a messed up finger getting picked 3 times leading to 17 Argo points (the margin of victory), and robbing Winnipeg of any points they may have gotten?

Except the Bombers offense wasn't exactly showering itself with glory before the finger happened. It was shaping up as a repeat of the previous 2 years. Defense keeps it within reach but the offense fails to establish anything all game.

[bluto]

3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Except the Bombers offense wasn't exactly showering itself with glory before the finger happened. It was shaping up as a repeat of the previous 2 years. Defense keeps it within reach but the offense fails to establish anything all game.

No, they weren't doing well before the finger happened... Except that after it did, the entire margin of victory was given away by Zach and the gimp finger.

I stand by the assertion, that I think is self evident based on the above stated fact, that if MOS had a backup worth beans (and yes, if he trusted him), the Bombers win 111.

[Goalie]

10 minutes ago, bluto said:

No, they weren't doing well before the finger happened... Except that after it did, the entire margin of victory was given away by Zach and the gimp finger.

I stand by the assertion, that I think is self evident based on the above stated fact, that if MOS had a backup worth beans (and yes, if he trusted him), the Bombers win 111.

No. The O put up 17 points up until that point. That’s basically 1 touchdown less than what they averaged. The bombers O only scored more than calgarys O. It was bad. Real bad. It was Brady or nothing most games and buck wasn’t using Brady in the cup so it was nothing. Any bombers fan who paid attention to the O last year, we all know this. You got a few holding out thinking our O was better than average and not second last to Jake maier and Calgary but most know the deal.  
 

broken down bombers averaged 24.3 ish points per game. 17 at that point was right on the path to the average. We weren’t winning and what was that final score again. Oh yeah 41 24. Magic number 24. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Goalie

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Yea....Ceresna told Edmonton radio that he just needed a decent offer from Edmonton, and that his family really wanted to return there.

Understandable. Alertabama is pretty much like the US.

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, bluto said:

No, they weren't doing well before the finger happened... Except that after it did, the entire margin of victory was given away by Zach and the gimp finger.

I stand by the assertion, that I think is self evident based on the above stated fact, that if MOS had a backup worth beans (and yes, if he trusted him), the Bombers win 111.

We had a rb he trusted who was tearing it up. But still gave up on the run game with it close. 

[17to85]

1 hour ago, bluto said:

No, they weren't doing well before the finger happened... Except that after it did, the entire margin of victory was given away by Zach and the gimp finger.

I stand by the assertion, that I think is self evident based on the above stated fact, that if MOS had a backup worth beans (and yes, if he trusted him), the Bombers win 111.

Last years bomber team offensively was a team that either had it that week or didn't and was pretty brutal.  For all the cash they spent on O it was terrible. They didn't have the ability to pull a rabbit out anymore like they used to.

[HardCoreBlue]

2 hours ago, bluto said:

No, they weren't doing well before the finger happened... Except that after it did, the entire margin of victory was given away by Zach and the gimp finger.

I stand by the assertion, that I think is self evident based on the above stated fact, that if MOS had a backup worth beans (and yes, if he trusted him), the Bombers win 111.

It seems based on what I've heard from MOS when interviewed, with certain players (e.g., ZC, JT, BA) its not about thinking their back-ups aren't capable, its more his admiration for these certain players as human beings and what they have accomplished on and off the field that trumps the need to sit/pull/release them. As he regularly stated more than once post game when asked about this issue of changing out certain players and/or should have started another player he said that thought never entered his mind pre, during and post game.

That's telling.

Oh and we are lucky to have MOS as our head coach but the man does, like all of us, have his quirks and foibles.

Edited 5 hours ago by HardCoreBlue

[WinnipegGordo]

Lookie here.... another one to Hamilton 

 

 

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Last years bomber team offensively was a team that either had it that week or didn't and was pretty brutal.  For all the cash they spent on O it was terrible. They didn't have the ability to pull a rabbit out anymore like they used to.

Is that because of a QB issue and the QB not what he once was....are we in for more the same this yr and possibly even worse?...thats the question I have...A new OC...One who has never put together a pro offence...likely 3 new recievers he chucking to....getting used to a new oline config...a HC with a penchant for not playing the best available players (Hi Kolo)....I dont have super confident vibes right now

2 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

It seems based on what I've heard from MOS when interviewed, with certain players (e.g., ZC, JT, BA) its not about thinking their back-ups aren't capable, its more his admiration about these certain players as human beings and what they have accomplished on and off the field that trumps the need to sit/pull/release them. As he regularly stated more than once post game when asked about this issue of changing out certain players and/or should have started another player he said that thought never entered his mind pre, during and post game.

That's telling.

Oh and we are lucky to have MOS as our head coach but the man does, like all of us, have his quirks and foibles.

thats shittty coaching

1 minute ago, WinnipegGordo said:

Lookie here.... another one to Hamilton 

 

 

all of our assumed to be expendable scrubs,....mediocre...no loss giys as we have upgraded them apparently sure got scooped up pretty quickly...Woli..Fox..Garbutt..Haba...

[HardCoreBlue]

1 minute ago, Booch said:

Is that because of a QB issue and the QB not what he once was....are we in for more the same this yr and possibly even worse?...thats the question I have...A new OC...One who has never put together a pro offence...likely 3 new recievers he chucking to....getting used to a new oline config...a HC with a penchant for not playing the best available players (Hi Kolo)....I dont have super confident vibes right now

thats shittty coaching

I think that's way to harsh to say, I think a more tempered response is his greatest strengths as a coach can sometimes be his greatest weaknesses as a coach.

Please don't hurt me. 🙂

[sweep the leg]

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[17to85]

11 minutes ago, Booch said:

all of our assumed to be expendable scrubs,....mediocre...no loss giys as we have upgraded them apparently sure got scooped up pretty quickly...Woli..Fox..Garbutt..Haba

Yeah but didn't 3 of the. Go to the team that hired the assistant gm from winnipeg? Hardly an unbiased source there. He presumably had a role in getting those guys to winnipeg and is bringing them in based on familiarity. I'd have liked having most of them back for camp competition,  but let's be honest those guys didn't move the needle enough on the DL last season. They are replaceable.