2024/2025 CFL (non-Bomber) Off-Season Thread

[GCn20]

10 hours ago, Stickem said:

So the Leo's blew their wad in a home Cup year...Don't see that as great management ...BUT all things considered would we be open to creeping over a bit in our 25' Cup year....Somehow I don't see it happening ....Didn't do it with our own guys in fa.... nor on anyone in fa for that matter...  Maybe a big splash ....trade and cash for a position of need??......On second thought ....nah ...that's just not us

They went over because only one of their half million QBs could play at one time.

[GCn20]

8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

It was but their passing offense was humming. Could they have maintained that level all season? That was a talented receiving corps. Probably not but who knows if Adams could have reached 6,000 yards passing. Campbell in one decision just took it all away.

Whoever made that decision, it was the wrong one. And publicly, the HC will always wear it for all to see.

The Lions were put between a rock and a hard place. Rourke was ready to come back at a time that meant going over to get him. Why the Lions didn't trade Adams immediately after was their big mistake. That's a crap load of SMS sitting on the bench for the remainder of the season.

[JuranBoldenRules]

17 hours ago, GCn20 said:

The Lions were put between a rock and a hard place. Rourke was ready to come back at a time that meant going over to get him. Why the Lions didn't trade Adams immediately after was their big mistake. That's a crap load of SMS sitting on the bench for the remainder of the season.

I think they were kind of screwed either way.  They trade Adams and lose his game cheques, either acquire in that trade or sign a reasonable backup QB, they go over by $200,000 instead of $300,000.

[wbbfan]

21 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:

My point is the Lions likely would have cut Woli in TC if he competed as an Import in 2017, Bombers likely would have done the same under those circumstances.  Without his golden passport he doesn't make the team in the first place, kudos to him for using it to his advantage and eventually establishing himself as a decent receiver. 

Can’t say that at all, they were always injury ravaged despite having big names. Woli has never been the worst starting wr we have. 
 

you aren’t basing that opinion off any level of football evaluation. You’re going off gut, and your gut is wrong. 
 Woli was the best wr in cali hs history. He was a 4 star prospect on most reports and a very close 3 on 24/7. 
 

Do you want the removal of the ratio? 

[GCn20]

9 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Can’t say that at all, they were always injury ravaged despite having big names. Woli has never been the worst starting wr we have. 
 

you aren’t basing that opinion off any level of football evaluation. You’re going off gut, and your gut is wrong. 
 Woli was the best wr in cali hs history. He was a 4 star prospect on most reports and a very close 3 on 24/7. 
 

Do you want the removal of the ratio? 

You arguing this in bad faith. The presumption of the argument is that Woli never comes in as a NAT but an IMP with the Lions. In that case, I don't see him getting any kind of a sniff of quality playing time or touches with the Lions either. The fact of the matter in all of this is that Woli could have been a reasonably productive WR for us or an outstanding possession/TE type of receiver.  One will get you more touches and yardage, the other is way more valuable beyond the stats. Woli had an extremely important role within our offence and he did it well.  We did not hold him back.

Edited March 30 by GCn20

[wbbfan]

24 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

You arguing this in bad faith. The presumption of the argument is that Woli never comes in as a NAT but an IMP with the Lions. In that case, I don't see him getting any kind of a sniff of quality playing time or touches with the Lions either. The fact of the matter in all of this is that Woli could have been a reasonably productive WR for us or an outstanding possession/TE type of receiver.  One will get you more touches and yardage, the other is way more valuable beyond the stats. Woli had an extremely important role within our offence and he did it well.  We did not hold him back.

It’s not bad faith, it’s actual football eval vs bad impressions. Acting and treating woli like he’s Jamie stoddard is arguing in bad faith. 

What you’re missing is, if he came up as an imp he never would’ve been used as a primary blocker, and bc wasn’t a run heavy team. He would’ve been looking at a lot more pass catching volume. He has all the tools and has shown that here. He would’ve been much better off being viewed as a wr first and foremost. 
 People sleep on what woli is in term of size athleticism hands and football iq. He’s an excellent route runner and there is a damn good reason he is instantly a clutch target for every qb he’s played with. 

Edited March 30 by wbbfan

[SpeedFlex27]

18 hours ago, GCn20 said:

The Lions were put between a rock and a hard place. Rourke was ready to come back at a time that meant going over to get him. Why the Lions didn't trade Adams immediately after was their big mistake. That's a crap load of SMS sitting on the bench for the remainder of the season.

Adams was supposed to be their insurance if Rourke struggled or got hurt. Except they never used him like that. They were afraid if they traded Adams he'd come back to beat them. So yeah, keeping or trading him was the Lions own Kobayashi Maru nightmare scenario for the Lions. But I have no sympathy for them. They laid in their own ****. 

[GCn20]

5 hours ago, wbbfan said:

It’s not bad faith, it’s actual football eval vs bad impressions. Acting and treating woli like he’s Jamie stoddard is arguing in bad faith. 

What you’re missing is, if he came up as an imp he never would’ve been used as a primary blocker, and bc wasn’t a run heavy team. He would’ve been looking at a lot more pass catching volume. He has all the tools and has shown that here. He would’ve been much better off being viewed as a wr first and foremost. 
 People sleep on what woli is in term of size athleticism hands and football iq. He’s an excellent route runner and there is a damn good reason he is instantly a clutch target for every qb he’s played with. 

I like Woli as much as the next guy, but he isn't a 1000 yard guy that never got the ball thrown to him. That's just fallacy. In his first two seasons he was getting as many targets a game as Demski and for roughly the same YPC. In fact, that never really changed. Where Demski left Woli in the dust to become our 3rd receiver option was in his YAC and big play ability. Honestly, I don`t get the grousing when our 4thé5th receiving option received 4th and 5th option targets and opportunities. How can we say he was held back. He sure as heck wasn`t better than, and never will be better than, Schoen or Lawler or Demski or Brady O in the battle for targets per game. I am unclear why anyone would think Woli deserved targets over better receivers. He may get that somewhere else that doesn`t have the talent of our receiving group, but that certainly does not mean we held him back. We gave him the targets that he earned according to his place on the depth chart. That`s not holding someone back.

Edited March 31 by GCn20

[Goalie]

Adams is an interesting QB. He’s been hyped so much for so long now but he really is just an average cfl QB. Sure BC started off on fire but then it all went down hill and that seems to be a thing with Adams career. When things going good they go real good. When they go bad he never really turns it around. I don’t get the hype with him. He’s been around now. Not a rookie anymore. No difference between him and Harris who just can’t win when it matters. 

Edited March 31 by Goalie

[Brandon]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Adams is an interesting QB. He’s been hyped so much for so long now but he really is just an average cfl QB. Sure BC started off on fire but then it all went down hill and that seems to be a thing with Adams career. When things going good they go real good. When they go bad he never really turns it around. I don’t get the hype with him. He’s been around now. Not a rookie anymore. No difference between him and Harris who just can’t win when it matters. 

His career has been up and down, hot and cold.    In Montreal one game he is a world beater and then the next game he is off and misses routine throws.     He's a great 1-B QB ,  not sure if he's actually consistent enough to have a team on his shoulders.    

 

[SpeedFlex27]

6 hours ago, Goalie said:

Adams is an interesting QB. He’s been hyped so much for so long now but he really is just an average cfl QB. Sure BC started off on fire but then it all went down hill and that seems to be a thing with Adams career. When things going good they go real good. When they go bad he never really turns it around. I don’t get the hype with him. He’s been around now. Not a rookie anymore. No difference between him and Harris who just can’t win when it matters. 

You make it sound like Adams "going down hill" for him was his fault. It was the owner, GM & HC who didn't have the faith in him all because they thought that Nathan Rourke would win them a Grey Cup based on his 9 game performance in 2023. It was their stupidity who derailed the Lions season. Nothing Adams did hurt the team as the guy was all in. At the time he was injured, Adams did everything that was asked of him & more. I think Rourke is a flash in the pan. He got on a hot streak in 2023. I think if anyone is an average qb, it's Rourke. 

Edited March 31 by SpeedFlex27

[Goalie]

Adams hasn’t won ****. He’s overrated and has been for some time. It’s not just last season. It’s his career. 

[Booch]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Adams hasn’t won ****. He’s overrated and has been for some time. It’s not just last season. It’s his career. 

if he was QB here for us iun the grey cup the last 2 yrs...I bet we win those games....with the supporting cast we had....He got boned hard last yr by Campbell...and has been in situations in 2 of his stops where it was less than ideal inside the organizations.....if how things are here as many claim....he would have a couple rings easily

[17to85]

28 minutes ago, Booch said:

if he was QB here for us iun the grey cup the last 2 yrs...I bet we win those games....with the supporting cast we had....He got boned hard last yr by Campbell...and has been in situations in 2 of his stops where it was less than ideal inside the organizations.....if how things are here as many claim....he would have a couple rings easily

That says more about how poor collaros has been than anything else.

[Booch]

Just now, 17to85 said:

That says more about how poor collaros has been than anything else.

that too

[Fatty Liver]

14 hours ago, Goalie said:

Adams is an interesting QB. He’s been hyped so much for so long now but he really is just an average cfl QB. Sure BC started off on fire but then it all went down hill and that seems to be a thing with Adams career. When things going good they go real good. When they go bad he never really turns it around. I don’t get the hype with him. He’s been around now. Not a rookie anymore. No difference between him and Harris who just can’t win when it matters. 

He's emotionally unstable and lacks self confidence which leads to hot and cold spells, sometimes within the same game.  Pointing to the sky every time he completes a TD pass is also looney. 

[Arnold_Palmer]

48 minutes ago, Booch said:

if he was QB here for us iun the grey cup the last 2 yrs...I bet we win those games....with the supporting cast we had....He got boned hard last yr by Campbell...and has been in situations in 2 of his stops where it was less than ideal inside the organizations.....if how things are here as many claim....he would have a couple rings easily

Do you remember when Adams completed only 50 percent of his passes and had 3 INT’s and one fluky Hail Mary TD against us in the western finals?  It’s not like his track record is outstanding when the bright lights shine. 

[Fatty Liver]

14 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Do you remember when Adams completed only 50 percent of his passes and had 3 INT’s and one fluky Hail Mary TD against us in the western finals?  It’s not like his track record is outstanding when the bright lights shine. 

That's Adam's cold, hot was when he kicked the Bombers butt all over the field in Wpg. in their first encounter in 2023.  Zach paid them back a couple weeks later by returning the favour in BC.

Edited March 31 by Fatty Liver

[johnzo]

Adams reminds me of a Kevin Glenn.  Definitely good enough to start, good enough to win games, has hot streaks where he puts up wicked numbers ... but never manages to stick around and make a home for himself.

 

[HardCoreBlue]

40 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

He's emotionally unstable and lacks self confidence which leads to hot and cold spells, sometimes within the same game.  Pointing to the sky every time he completes a TD pass is also looney. 

The mental part of the game is where he suffers the most.

[Noeller]

Adams reminds me most of Steven Jyles actually....

Edited March 31 by Noeller

[Goalie]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

if he was QB here for us iun the grey cup the last 2 yrs...I bet we win those games....with the supporting cast we had....He got boned hard last yr by Campbell...and has been in situations in 2 of his stops where it was less than ideal inside the organizations.....if how things are here as many claim....he would have a couple rings easily

I doubt it since when it matters most he fails but sure. 

[Super Duper Negatron]

1 hour ago, johnzo said:

Adams reminds me of a Kevin Glenn.  Definitely good enough to start, good enough to win games, has hot streaks where he puts up wicked numbers ... but never manages to stick around and make a home for himself.

 

I've had just about enough of your Glenn bashing, young lady!

[Bigblue204]

21 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

I think they were kind of screwed either way.  They trade Adams and lose his game cheques, either acquire in that trade or sign a reasonable backup QB, they go over by $200,000 instead of $300,000.

300 is when the loss of draft picks come in though isn't it?

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, johnzo said:

Adams reminds me of a Kevin Glenn.  Definitely good enough to start, good enough to win games, has hot streaks where he puts up wicked numbers ... but never manages to stick around and make a home for himself.

 

He’s soo much like Glenn it’s scary. Doesn’t have that hyper speed release, bit better athlete though. Soo many similarities as passers though. The same mistakes and turn overs.