2024/2025 CFL (non-Bomber) Off-Season Thread

[Goalie]

Streveler or Zach could throw the ball 15 times a game and hand off to Brady or Logan 30 times and I’d be cool with that type of O. 

[Noeller]

11 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Streveler or Zach could throw the ball 15 times a game and hand off to Brady or Logan 30 times and I’d be cool with that type of O. 

The road to the 2019 Grey Cup was paved with Game Management QB-ing and a superstar RB....

[wbbfan]

15 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Streveler or Zach could throw the ball 15 times a game and hand off to Brady or Logan 30 times and I’d be cool with that type of O. 

I really don’t think CFL defences are ready for a team to go 22 spread set heavy run.  I want soo much to see some 6’4 250+ te using the waggle to block at the second level. 
 Teams are reasonably prepared for our 7ol + fb tight bunch sets because the gaps are close and it narrows the field. 
 In order to run higher volume in general we need to diversify our run attack. The amount of izr/tite zone we’ve run with out balance is insane. Especially last year with out using a secondary back field threat. 

[HardCoreBlue]

On 2025-04-08 at 9:58 PM, 17to85 said:

yeah I came here to say, dude didn't get all those NFL chances just because he could run from the qb spot and be a gimmick. He accomplished far more in the NFL than Rourke did as an example. 

Free Streveler and don't run him into a brick ******* wall head first every down and see what happens. 

Free Streveler. Great name to put on the title page of his O playbook.

[GCn20]

12 hours ago, Tracker said:

Sobey's at Unicity has GREAT cinnamon buns. No preservatives so you gotta eat fast. And with reasl butter, not margerine -pop one in the air frayer for 60 seconds and you are ingustatorial heaven!

Good to know...does it have the cream cheese topping as well?

17 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

I don't expect him to even be team MOP. That is clearly Brady.

My post was just kind of being facetious a little. I don't expect him to be MOP, but I do expect a good season from him because I think BO and Logan will be a great tandem and a healthy Strev running a different offensive set will keep defences off balance.

[TBURGESS]

The best Cinnamon buns in Winnipeg were Nelda's. We will never see their like again. 

[GCn20]

36 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

The best Cinnamon buns in Winnipeg were Nelda's. We will never see their like again. 

That's too bad, I'm kind of a morning cinnamon bun ***** and wish i would have had a chance to try one.

[17to85]

**** all y'all now I want a cinnamon bun that I desperately don't need...

[Fatty Liver]

13 hours ago, Goalie said:

Streveler or Zach could throw the ball 15 times a game and hand off to Brady or Logan 30 times and I’d be cool with that type of O. 

Might see a change in strategy, but I'm not sure O'Shea will allow Logan to do much more than field kicks, he certainly didn't give Lucky much extra work at receiver.  Considering how valuable the return job is I can understand the caution taken, they lost Grant for a good chunk of his final season trying to get him more involved in the offence, and struggled to find his replacement.  Peyton Logan is a dynamic player but he's been on and off the roster with injuries since he came into the league in 2022, not sure he will be durable enough to fill multi roles. 

 

[Fatty Liver]

14 hours ago, wbbfan said:

I really don’t think CFL defences are ready for a team to go 22 spread set heavy run.  I want soo much to see some 6’4 250+ te using the waggle to block at the second level. 
 Teams are reasonably prepared for our 7ol + fb tight bunch sets because the gaps are close and it narrows the field. 
 In order to run higher volume in general we need to diversify our run attack. The amount of izr/tite zone we’ve run with out balance is insane. Especially last year with out using a secondary back field threat. 

Just re-watched the LDC the other day, you might want to review the second half.  The Riders squelched the Bombers running attack flat once Strev. took over early in the 3rd Q after Miles Brown's dirty head shot took Zach out of the game late in the first half.  Brady struggled to get more than 2-3 yds. on most runs and Strev. was largely ineffective on the ground and in the air, Riders knew what he was bringing and they ate it up.  I think he might have completed one pass over 10 yds. to Woli, everything else was dump offs behind the line of scrimmage.  In the end they added 3 pts. on a 55+ yd. Sergio FG, and that was the sum of the scoring they achieved in the second half.

 

[rebusrankin]

You know who has great cinnamon buns? Frenchway Cafe.

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Fatty Liver said:

Might see a change in strategy, but I'm not sure O'Shea will allow Logan to do much more than field kicks, he certainly didn't give Lucky much extra work at receiver.  Considering how valuable the return job is I can understand the caution taken, they lost Grant for a good chunk of his final season trying to get him more involved in the offence, and struggled to find his replacement.  Peyton Logan is a dynamic player but he's been on and off the roster with injuries since he came into the league in 2022, not sure he will be durable enough to fill multi roles. 

 

The value of Logan has been that when hes on the field he makes plays and opens things up for other players. Having him do so also lessens the load on Demski reducing injury risk. No way he is just used as a returner. 

We' ve also stocked up on other players including Cobb who can return kicks

[Bigblue204]

34 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Just re-watched the LDC the other day, you might want to review the second half.  The Riders squelched the Bombers running attack flat once Strev. took over early in the 3rd Q after Miles Brown's dirty head shot took Zach out of the game late in the first half.  Brady struggled to get more than 2-3 yds. on most runs and Strev. was largely ineffective on the ground and in the air, Riders knew what he was bringing and they ate it up.  I think he might have completed one pass over 10 yds. to Woli, everything else was dump offs behind the line of scrimmage.  In the end they added 3 pts. on a 55+ yd. Sergio FG, and that was the sum of the scoring they achieved in the second half.

 

Maybe I'm not understanding WBB properly. But I think you're basically agreeing with him. When the Bombers were running their heavy sets, everyone knew what was coming. And if they had the right players they could pretty well stop it. If the Bombers were to use a spread set with large blocking TE (who could also catch), that would force the Defence to also spread (mainly LB/DB) creating more space (potentially) for Brady/Logan/Streveler.

Also another great example of Buck completely misusing Streveler and essentially refusing to change what clearly wasn't working.

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

Maybe I'm not understanding WBB properly. But I think you're basically agreeing with him. When the Bombers were running their heavy sets, everyone knew what was coming. And if they had the right players they could pretty well stop it. If the Bombers were to use a spread set with large blocking TE (who could also catch), that would force the Defence to also spread (mainly LB/DB) creating more space (potentially) for Brady/Logan/Streveler.

Also another great example of Buck completely misusing Streveler and essentially refusing to change what clearly wasn't working.

That statement always fascinates me when it comes to being a coach and having to make in-game decisions, i.e., it's not working because the player (s) aren't executing their assignments effectively or it's not working because the Defense is effectively shutting us down so we need to adjust?

[wbbfan]

https://3downnation.com/2025/04/11/canadian-db-tyrell-ford-turned-down-multiple-nfl-offers-to-stay-in-cfl-sign-with-edmonton-elks/

But why? I mean, really...

 

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

Maybe I'm not understanding WBB properly. But I think you're basically agreeing with him. When the Bombers were running their heavy sets, everyone knew what was coming. And if they had the right players they could pretty well stop it. If the Bombers were to use a spread set with large blocking TE (who could also catch), that would force the Defence to also spread (mainly LB/DB) creating more space (potentially) for Brady/Logan/Streveler.

Also another great example of Buck completely misusing Streveler and essentially refusing to change what clearly wasn't working.

Yup, you got it. Spreading the formations blockers, having off-tackle gaps (like we see more down south now), and forcing the run fits to cover a much wider area is the key. It also opens up massive cutback lanes.  We gave up on the multiplicity of backfield threats last year, which gutted our ability to run out of the heavy set. With just 1 back to threat, you only need your edge seal to be fast or wide enough to take it away. If you widen that point 5 yards, then you either need to line up on that point, creating another inside gap that's open, or need to be fast enough and be able to get outside of the blocking scheme before the rb has an angle. 

That play call was atrocious, too. Just battering ram streveler and the shallowest routes from the Nichols era. 

[wbbfan]

3 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

That statement always fascinates me when it comes to being a coach and having to make in-game decisions, i.e., it's not working because the player (s) aren't executing their assignments effectively or it's not working because the Defense is effectively shutting us down so we need to adjust?

It can be hard to differentiate which the cause is; if you don't know the scheme fairly well, it's almost impossible. Unless the failure point is something like drops. 

 At that point in the game, though, if the players aren't able to execute, it's a failure of prep or implementation. It's not often that either type of failure is fixed mid-game, though. When you see repeated, systemic failures, change is the answer. But the hard fact sometimes is you don't have a winning combination. We've all lived through that plenty in the past dark ages. We saw games where any changes or installations would make no difference. 

 On a good team, you should have a few pivots built in. On d, Hall is one of the better coaches at having and triggering those. And it's not like he suddenly fundamentally changed his style/system. He didn't switch to complicated zone blitz schemes, or heavy sets etc. He changed just enough with in his system to cover gaps. 

On offence, I think Jason maas has done the best job of in week installs that give his team options to counter being countered. DD used to be good at adjusting in game, but every thing in Calgary is cracked now. Idk who I'd say is the best pure adjuster on offence today. 

[Booch]

19 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

He did pretty well in 2019 with, new to him wr. He also benefitted from an OC who knew what he had in a RB. Collaros will do as well as Brady does. Collaros can't be the guy the Offense runs through. 

6 yrs ago...yeah. .that's a loooong time in football.. especially for an aging qb. 

And he didn't really light it up then either...defence and Harris were the gas that fueled that engine

[Booch]

5 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

The best Cinnamon buns in Winnipeg were Nelda's. We will never see their like again. 

I agree...Best ever..

 

2 hours ago, Pete said:

The value of Logan has been that when hes on the field he makes plays and opens things up for other players. Having him do so also lessens the load on Demski reducing injury risk. No way he is just used as a returner. 

We' ve also stocked up on other players including Cobb who can return kicks

Logan has to be used...explosive as it gets from any spot on field...and coach not to get hurt...create a deep well rounded roster and a proper PR and there should be zero issue. This tho is where we have a deficiency and it's been like that for yrs

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

It can be hard to differentiate which the cause is; if you don't know the scheme fairly well, it's almost impossible. Unless the failure point is something like drops. 

 At that point in the game, though, if the players aren't able to execute, it's a failure of prep or implementation. It's not often that either type of failure is fixed mid-game, though. When you see repeated, systemic failures, change is the answer. But the hard fact sometimes is you don't have a winning combination. We've all lived through that plenty in the past dark ages. We saw games where any changes or installations would make no difference. 

 On a good team, you should have a few pivots built in. On d, Hall is one of the better coaches at having and triggering those. And it's not like he suddenly fundamentally changed his style/system. He didn't switch to complicated zone blitz schemes, or heavy sets etc. He changed just enough with in his system to cover gaps. 

On offence, I think Jason maas has done the best job of in week installs that give his team options to counter being countered. DD used to be good at adjusting in game, but every thing in Calgary is cracked now. Idk who I'd say is the best pure adjuster on offence today. 

Dickenson doesn't plan the O anymore. He's not OC anymore. He can't anymore as a HC & GM. Too much on his plate. If he was an OC then the Stamps would be much, much better offensively. He's also a heckuva QB coach. Dave is looking very & tired & I thibnk he's feeling the pressure. I'm friends with Dave but haven't talked to him in awhile. I think there'll be changes at the top if they have another losing season. 

[wbbfan]

39 minutes ago, Booch said:

I agree...Best ever..

 

Logan has to be used...explosive as it gets from any spot on field...and coach not to get hurt...create a deep well rounded roster and a proper PR and there should be zero issue. This tho is where we have a deficiency and it's been like that for yrs

I’m soo excited at the thought of Logan and Brady in the back field together. That’s gonna be such a nightmare. 

19 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Dickenson doesn't plan the O anymore. He's not OC anymore. He can't anymore as a HC & GM. Too much on his plate. If he was an OC then the Stamps would be much, much better offensively. He's also a heckuva QB coach. Dave is looking very & tired & I thibnk he's feeling the pressure. I'm friends with Dave but haven't talked to him in awhile. I think there'll be changes at the top if they have another losing season. 

Yeah I know he’s given some control up. How much and where? I couldn’t even guess. He’s the kind of guy you’d love to learn from but hate to work for imo. 

[Goalie]

The stuff ppl saying about Zach was said about BLM last season. BLM went on to have a career year. Yeah like 6 7 wins but stats wise he put up yards. You never know. I don’t expect Zach to have to throw 30 times a game tho. Pretty convinced that the RB coach turned OC will definitely use the RBs. Both Brady and Logan and mci probably at times. But I’d expect Brady and Logan to be on the field at the same time together quite regularly. Logan was signed as a RB and KR but like others have pointed out, there are other returner options also. Logan will be a regular part of the O. If not, why would he have signed here. He was told he’d be used with Brady. 

Edited Friday at 08:59 PM by Goalie

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, Goalie said:

The stuff ppl saying about Zach was said about BLM last season. BLM went on to have a career year. Yeah like 6 7 wins but stats wise he put up yards. You never know. I don’t expect Zach to have to throw 30 times a game tho. 

Its the first solid season BLM has had since 2019 and good season since 2018. And yeah, chucking up a bunch of yards in losses isn't a goal. 

Bos' injury string also starts in 2019, when he was 28 turning 29. Not 36 turning 37. No chance does zach have the amount of time to get healthy that bo took. He basically needs to be the guy he was in 21, this year. He at least has to be much closer to that, than last year or the year before or he isn't likely to finish the year. 

[Noeller]

BLM stats were mostly garbage time. His season is wildly overrated last year...

[Goalie]

Oh I don’t disagree. Thought it was a farce he was even nominated for MOP. 
 

you know what Zach needs to be. This is kinda funny. He needs to be Matt Nichols, Game manager. Don’t lose the game but don’t necessarily rely on him to win it either. 

[wbbfan]

7 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Oh I don’t disagree. Thought it was a farce he was even nominated for MOP. 
 

you know what Zach needs to be. This is kinda funny. He needs to be Matt Nichols, Game manager. Don’t lose the game but don’t necessarily rely on him to win it either. 

pre check down nichols maybe. Certainly needs to be more like him, but I don't think he has that in him. We will see though.