2024/2025 CFL (non-Bomber) Off-Season Thread

[SpeedFlex27]

15 hours ago, wbbfan said:

https://3downnation.com/2025/04/16/veteran-qb-dominique-davis-retires-from-cfl/

The davis era is finally over. 

The guy just showed up every year for over a decade with the teams he... cough, cough... played for & did absolutely nothing. 

[Blue In BC]

16 hours ago, wbbfan said:

You’re moving the goal posts. You said “we only used 2 globals when injuries mounted up with our Canadians.” Fact is, we broke camp with 2 globals including karamoko in the dime role and went with that almost the whole season including grey cup with 2. That was always the plan. 
 
I didn’t say we brought in quality globals, I’ve clearly stated many times we have been random with global draft since 22/23. 
 

ample teams and rotational/package global talent is available. 

No I'm not. We started the season without Noah Hallett, C. Lawson and B. Feltmate.  Oliveria missed a game early as did a few other Canadians. Chris-Ike, Charbonneau and Woli missed an early game or more.  Our early roster was musical chairs due to numerous injuries. Geez even Murphy had to be added from our PR. Kelly missed 8 games and didn't play until August. That shows how limited our choices were on our PR.

Karamoko only played 5 games in 2024.  IIRC the other 2 global players only were dressed for 6 or 7 games in total between them combined.  I stand by my comment they were added due to numerous injuries where we couldn't field our normal compliment of Canadians. That made adding a 2nd global as our only option.

I agree that we didn't draft or have quality global players but playing a 2nd one was a forced issue as I've covered. I might add that we couldn't find a better quality global in the entire world better than the two we had? Only 18 get drafted each season. A few don't even show up after being drafted.

 

Our current roster has 26 Canadians. We'll draft another 9 in 2025. I'd take the bet that barring a large number of early season injuries, we don't roster 2 globals on the AR to start the season.

 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 03:39 PM by Blue In BC

[wbbfan]

4 hours ago, Blue In BC said:

No I'm not. We started the season without Noah Hallett, C. Lawson and B. Feltmate.  Oliveria missed a game early as did a few other Canadians. Chris-Ike, Charbonneau and Woli missed an early game or more.  Our early roster was musical chairs due to numerous injuries. Geez even Murphy had to be added from our PR. Kelly missed 8 games and didn't play until August. That shows how limited our choices were on our PR.

Karamoko only played 5 games in 2024.  IIRC the other 2 global players only were dressed for 6 or 7 games in total between them combined.  I stand by my comment they were added due to numerous injuries where we couldn't field our normal compliment of Canadians. That made adding a 2nd global as our only option.

I agree that we didn't draft or have quality global players but playing a 2nd one was a forced issue as I've covered. I might add that we couldn't find a better quality global in the entire world better than the two we had? Only 18 get drafted each season. A few don't even show up after being drafted.

 

Our current roster has 26 Canadians. We'll draft another 9 in 2025. I'd take the bet that barring a large number of early season injuries, we don't roster 2 globals on the AR to start the season.

 

 

 

 

Yeah ok. 
 2nd hallett had nothing to do with karamoko playing the dime role. He’s never played that. Lawson and feltmate had no thing to do with it either, how do you figure it did lol 

5 games for karamoko, 1 for lucky, 7 for weitz. That’s not a coincidence, that’s more than we started over 8 nis. we were not thin at dl, lber, or db for ni players at any of those points. We actively picked 2nd globals over Canadians on the same side of the ball most of the 2 global games. 

[Blue In BC]

29 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Yeah ok. 
 2nd hallett had nothing to do with karamoko playing the dime role. He’s never played that. Lawson and feltmate had no thing to do with it either, how do you figure it did lol 

5 games for karamoko, 1 for lucky, 7 for weitz. That’s not a coincidence, that’s more than we started over 8 nis. we were not thin at dl, lber, or db for ni players at any of those points. We actively picked 2nd globals over Canadians on the same side of the ball most of the 2 global games. 

I said we used a 2nd global player due to the fact we didn't have a healthy Canadian on the PR.  That's not difficult to understand. Just look at the week to week changes on the depth chart. He had 6 ST's in `12 gm Cole was the back up SAM for the 1st 4 or 5 games. McGhee was for 1 game until we added Griffin.  Bridges also saw some game time on defence ( 7 DT's ). Nick Hallett saw game time on defence in the secondary too. Karamoko was always listed as about the 3rd choice at WIL.

Noah Hallett was an ST player and as such more valuable than a global listed as a back up at WIL. He had 6 ST's in 12 games. Karamoko had 2 ST's in 5 games. We use more people on ST's than we rotate through our WIL barring injury.

Karamoko was a waste of space on the roster. He's so good he was released outright. I don't know what you're trying to justify his existence in the few games he played when it's very clear that he was just the last man standing to choose from the PR.

 

2024 depth chart etc are still available. We had between 3 - 4 Canadians on the IR for the 1st 4 - 5 games. All we had on the PR was Murphy and Hubert. Neither of which was needed as positional depth and neither played ST's. Neither are currently with the team. As I said, at least Karamoko was capable of playing on ST's if necessary.  Essentially he was the only choice to activate due to the injuries.

 

Edited Thursday at 08:43 PM by Blue In BC

[wbbfan]

4 minutes ago, Blue In BC said:

I said we used a 2nd global player due to the fact we didn't have a healthy Canadian on the PR.  That's not difficult to understand. Just look at the week to week changes on the depth chart. He had 6 ST's in `12 gm Cole was the back up SAM for the 1st 4 or 5 games. McGhee was for 1 game until we added Griffin.  Bridges also saw some game time on defence ( 7 DT's ). Nick Hallett saw game time on defence in the secondary too. Karamoko was always listed as about the 3rd choice at WIL.

Noah Hallett was an ST player and as such more valuable than a global listed as a back up at WIL. He had 6 ST's in 12 games. Karamoko had 2 ST's in 5 games. We use more people on ST's than we rotate through our WIL barring injury.

Karamoko was a waste of space on the roster. He's so good he was released outright. I don't know what you're trying to justify his existence in the few games he played when it's very clear that he was just the last man standing to choose from the PR.

 

We did, though. We always have more than 1 Canadian on the PR. That would be virtually unheard of in the cfl. 

Teams tackles don't have any thing to do with it though. 

Cole = nickle, karamoko = Dime. Pretty straightforward? Depth roster positon doesn't mean much, Griffin ended up taking a ton of reps, karamoko did early as well. Go back and watch some of the lapo early season break downs. You can see him break down the ford, holm, kramdi side with karamoko in a bunch of snaps. 

Tackles are not a success indicator, no mater what milligan fans say. Tanner cadwallader was the most consistently oustanding cover guy in the league last year. Ayers made more impressive solo plays on teams that didn't result in a tackle than half the league. He could've had 30+ tackles if he played less reliably in his lane. 

Karamoko was a reach in his role on D. On teams, he was honestly fine. He did his job and didn't sell out to try and make plays out side of the scheme. Which is 90% of a teams success on kick cover. It so happens though, we had some stellar cover team talent last year. 

week one PR had 2 canadians on the PR ready to go week 1, and 3 on week 2. 

[Blue In BC]

35 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

We did, though. We always have more than 1 Canadian on the PR. That would be virtually unheard of in the cfl. 

Teams tackles don't have any thing to do with it though. 

Cole = nickle, karamoko = Dime. Pretty straightforward? Depth roster positon doesn't mean much, Griffin ended up taking a ton of reps, karamoko did early as well. Go back and watch some of the lapo early season break downs. You can see him break down the ford, holm, kramdi side with karamoko in a bunch of snaps. 

Tackles are not a success indicator, no mater what milligan fans say. Tanner cadwallader was the most consistently oustanding cover guy in the league last year. Ayers made more impressive solo plays on teams that didn't result in a tackle than half the league. He could've had 30+ tackles if he played less reliably in his lane. 

Karamoko was a reach in his role on D. On teams, he was honestly fine. He did his job and didn't sell out to try and make plays out side of the scheme. Which is 90% of a teams success on kick cover. It so happens though, we had some stellar cover team talent last year. 

week one PR had 2 canadians on the PR ready to go week 1, and 3 on week 2. 

I listed the 2 Canadians on the PR and they had no value on ST's and were not specifically needed as depth at their position. Murphy and Hubert for the 1st 2 games and then Samson added to the PR for the 3rd game.  Once again a 2nd global is added at the cost of a Canadian choice. Clearly the Canadian choices were of no value on either defence or ST's That's my point. Karamoko was the least worst choice that could be made under those circumstances. A global player can be added at the expense of an import but that rarely happens.  We had a complete compliment of imports on the AR and PR depth behind them.

Cole saw the field in multiple spots in the early going. He was listed and used in all 3 LB spots in rotation.  That tapered down when we added Griffin to the AR and Ayers seemed to surpass him on the depth charts and playing time. Obviously we know our depth charts are close to meaningless compared to how and where players play. I also know tackles are not the only stat worthwhile, however, he only played 3 games in his 1st 2 seasons and maxed out out 5 in 2024.

That''s not impressive in the least and the fact he was released should tell you he was nothing more than a warm body available. I'd hardly rate him as fine.  There is a reason why he was replaced after the early going by a Canadian ST player.

[SpeedFlex27]

On 2025-04-16 at 1:43 PM, Stickem said:

Put himself out of his misery....Classic example of 'just not good enough'....Looked like a winner at the start but in the end couldn't deliver

Davis never delivered at the beginning, the middle or the end. There wasn't one game where he ever shone. Where fans said this guy has potential. He had none. I hate guys like that who are gifted a spot because they're supposedly great athletes. In reality, they have million dollar bodies but ten cent heads. 

[MOBomberFan]

I remember Davis being lights out on the practice net, that's really about it. Perfect accuracy at a short distance with no pressure in his face. Big whoop I can do that on a good day

[wbbfan]

18 hours ago, Blue In BC said:

I listed the 2 Canadians on the PR and they had no value on ST's and were not specifically needed as depth at their position. Murphy and Hubert for the 1st 2 games and then Samson added to the PR for the 3rd game.  Once again a 2nd global is added at the cost of a Canadian choice. Clearly the Canadian choices were of no value on either defence or ST's That's my point. Karamoko was the least worst choice that could be made under those circumstances. A global player can be added at the expense of an import but that rarely happens.  We had a complete compliment of imports on the AR and PR depth behind them.

Cole saw the field in multiple spots in the early going. He was listed and used in all 3 LB spots in rotation.  That tapered down when we added Griffin to the AR and Ayers seemed to surpass him on the depth charts and playing time. Obviously we know our depth charts are close to meaningless compared to how and where players play. I also know tackles are not the only stat worthwhile, however, he only played 3 games in his 1st 2 seasons and maxed out out 5 in 2024.

That''s not impressive in the least and the fact he was released should tell you he was nothing more than a warm body available. I'd hardly rate him as fine.  There is a reason why he was replaced after the early going by a Canadian ST player.

Hubert  had value on teams and d. Canadians who can only play teams are always available in free agency. 
 

cole saw action as the wil sub early on D. He did not play Sam or Mac in the regular season. 
 

Again, nothing to do with the post or point. For the last few years we’ve been more of a 2 global roster than not. Karamoko is not an indicator of the global positional talent that has been available for the past two years. 
 Just like schmekel is not the measuring stick for ni dl talent coming into the cfl the last few years.