Fatty Liver Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 10 minutes ago, Noeller said: So, I'm still a believer in Zach, but here's where the middle ground is, I think: While Zach is still very capable of being the elite 2022 guy that was putting up gaudy stats, it does seem like those games are becoming less and less frequent. I remain hopeful that the 2024 West Final is something he can do more regularly, but he definitely needs a lot of help to do it (primarily his protection, as it seems like he gets happy feet very easily these days). And where a lot of people are having an issue is that he's being paid for 2022 Zach and being paid like a guy who shouldn't need as much help as he does. Taking the salary out of the conversation, I still believe in a healthy Zach's ability to lead us to a Grey Cup, with the right tools around him. I still think the WF against the Riders was a bit of an anomaly, explain how a team gets to the WF and is still so incapable of coordination they commit 3 broken coverage errors allowing Kenny Lawler (of all players) to sneak behind them for uncontested TD's. The game turned into a cakewalk, which may have led to over confidence in the potency of their passing attack against the Argos. rebusrankin 1
HardCoreBlue Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 26 minutes ago, Noeller said: So, I'm still a believer in Zach, but here's where the middle ground is, I think: While Zach is still very capable of being the elite 2022 guy that was putting up gaudy stats, it does seem like those games are becoming less and less frequent. I remain hopeful that the 2024 West Final is something he can do more regularly, but he definitely needs a lot of help to do it (primarily his protection, as it seems like he gets happy feet very easily these days). And where a lot of people are having an issue is that he's being paid for 2022 Zach and being paid like a guy who shouldn't need as much help as he does. Taking the salary out of the conversation, I still believe in a healthy Zach's ability to lead us to a Grey Cup, with the right tools around him. Well put. I don't think is an either or discussion, i.e., ZC can't seem to win the big one anymore and is trending down versus ZC has got us to 5 straight GC's. We need to give him the necessary tools and I would add incorporate CS way more into the equation than a gimmicky decoy (sorry Buck, good luck but BC sucks). And don't forgot about Terry Wilson. We ultimately need to transition from ZC so lets make it the goal that this transition of our QB status be as seamless as possible. Easier said than done. BigBlueFanatic and Noeller 2
bigg jay Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 8 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said: I still think the WF against the Riders was a bit of an anomaly, explain how a team gets to the WF and is still so incapable of coordination they commit 3 broken coverage errors allowing Kenny Lawler (of all players) to sneak behind them for uncontested TD's. The game turned into a cakewalk, which may have led to over confidence in the potency of their passing attack against the Argos. It is no anomaly that the Riders suck - it's just a fact of life. rebusrankin, Fatty Liver, Noeller and 1 other 2 2
Nolby Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Is there any interest in Dunbar jr.? He keeps posting his highlight clips, would maybe come cheap and a solid add. M.O.A.B. 1
17to85 Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 2 hours ago, CFL Convert from Ohio said: He was helpful in the WF (19-26, 301, 4 TDs). He wasn't sacked in that game, which has much to do with pivot performance - just ask Mahomes. Whoopdeefreakingdoo. Collaros was great in the west final... but that means jack **** when he has been terrible for 3 straight Grey cup games and costs an assload of money. rebusrankin, Dr Zaius and Tracker 3
GCn20 Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Just now, 17to85 said: Whoopdeefreakingdoo. Collaros was great in the west final... but that means jack **** when he has been terrible for 3 straight Grey cup games and costs an assload of money. Collaros was one of a great deal of players that have **** the bed in the past 3 Grey Cups. Some far worse than Collaros. 42 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said: Well put. I don't think is an either or discussion, i.e., ZC can't seem to win the big one anymore and is trending down versus ZC has got us to 5 straight GC's. We need to give him the necessary tools and I would add incorporate CS way more into the equation than a gimmicky decoy (sorry Buck, good luck but BC sucks). And don't forgot about Terry Wilson. We ultimately need to transition from ZC so lets make it the goal that this transition of our QB status be as seamless as possible. Easier said than done. We absolutely have to be thinking about our next QB all the time, no matter what. Zac won't carry our team to a Grey Cup. Never did before either. We need to give him the tools to succeed.
GCn20 Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 52 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said: I still think the WF against the Riders was a bit of an anomaly, explain how a team gets to the WF and is still so incapable of coordination they commit 3 broken coverage errors allowing Kenny Lawler (of all players) to sneak behind them for uncontested TD's. The game turned into a cakewalk, which may have led to over confidence in the potency of their passing attack against the Argos. Riders made lots of mistakes, but you still have to recognize them and execute to capitalize. That's the difference between winning and losing in almost every football game. The amount of times you commit/force errors and amount of times you capitalize on them. 58 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said: I still think the WF against the Riders was a bit of an anomaly, explain how a team gets to the WF and is still so incapable of coordination they commit 3 broken coverage errors allowing Kenny Lawler (of all players) to sneak behind them for uncontested TD's. The game turned into a cakewalk, which may have led to over confidence in the potency of their passing attack against the Argos. What led to our inability to pass in the GC was unrelenting pressure from the Argos DL and a game plan that was not designed to get the ball out of our QBs hands.
blue85gold Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Biggest problem with ZC is that he is being paid like a player that should be able to win the big game by himself and he's not that guy. rebusrankin, Booch and Tracker 3
17to85 Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 41 minutes ago, blue85gold said: Biggest problem with ZC is that he is being paid like a player that should be able to win the big game by himself and he's not that guy. Once more for those in the back.... collaros is being paid like a player that should be able to win the big game by himself. rebusrankin and Tracker 2
HardCoreBlue Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 1 minute ago, 17to85 said: Once more for those in the back.... collaros is being paid like a player that should be able to win the big game by himself. Really? Are we taking this statement literally without reality mixed in, especially with football being the ultimate team sport? So along with his mistakes which he definitely needs to own, if his line isn't offering the needed protection on certain plays, if his receivers aren't running the right routes at times, if his RB's miss a blocking assignment, if his OC calls the wrong play (s) during games, if his Defense and ST's aren't up to snuff with certain plays, if his headcoach/OC don't sit him when he's injured regardless of him wanting to stay in, paying him $600,000 a year and the expectations you are setting on him trump this reality? Wow. Fatty Liver and BigBlueFanatic 2
17to85 Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 8 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said: Really? Are we taking this statement literally without reality mixed in, especially with football being the ultimate team sport? So along with his mistakes which he definitely needs to own, if his line isn't offering the needed protection on certain plays, if his receivers aren't running the right routes at times, if his RB's miss a blocking assignment, if his OC calls the wrong play (s) during games, if his Defense and ST's aren't up to snuff with certain plays, if his headcoach/OC don't sit him when he's injured regardless of him wanting to stay in, paying him $600,000 a year and the expectations you are setting on him trump this reality? Wow. When you pay your qb that much your depth and star power takes a hit... so you don't get the benefit of excuses. That's why myself and many others said ditch collaros and keep Brown. Frees up cash and gets a similar (better IMO) level of qb play.
Bigblue204 Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Collaros didn't play well in the GC games. But he also wasn't put in a position to play well in those games. It's very rarely about 1 guy. I don't think paying him as much as they have been is worth it, but they made that bed a while ago and have to sleep in it now. I know 1 thing is for certain. That was his biggest cheque of his career, past or future. BigBlueFanatic and HardCoreBlue 2
17to85 Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 He got outplayed by nick arbuckle and Cody fajardo... mcleod bethel Thompson too... why we making excuses for the highest paid qb in the league over that period? You wanna be paid like the best you don't get outplayed by the likes of them. wbbfan and CodyT 1 1
HardCoreBlue Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 26 minutes ago, 17to85 said: When you pay your qb that much your depth and star power takes a hit... so you don't get the benefit of excuses. That's why myself and many others said ditch collaros and keep Brown. Frees up cash and gets a similar (better IMO) level of qb play. Not all excuses, some were reasons. Big difference. But we are coming to the end of his great tenure with the BB.
Noeller Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Kyle Walters presser happening today... Haven't had a chance to watch but hopefully some answers there. wbbfan and Piggy 1 2
Doublezero Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 1 hour ago, 17to85 said: Whoopdeefreakingdoo. Collaros was great in the west final... but that means jack **** when he has been terrible for 3 straight Grey cup games and costs an assload of money. Sums up my original point exactly. He's getting $600k elite hard money (including $100k bonus Jan 15) but the club is no longer getting elite play from him. Bombers are hamstrung - paying more for a diminishing asset. I don't blame Collaros for taking the dough - it could be his last year so, y'know, take the money. But Walters should've seen this coming and done more to mitigate shambolic O line pass pro. With the OC changes, I could see ZC actually playing less this season and more emphasis on run and run-option. Backfield with Oliveira, Streveler, Peyton Logan and Demski with some creativity and misdirection gonna be interesting. Piggy 1 1
17to85 Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 The time to be bold was last offseason and ship collaros to Ottawa and committed to Dru Brown. At worst their level of play was similar in 2023 (i believe Brown was actually better). Sadly they stuck with the old guy because they weren't interested in the short term risk for long term gain. wbbfan and MOBomberFan 2
blue85gold Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, 17to85 said: The time to be bold was last offseason and ship collaros to Ottawa and committed to Dru Brown. At worst their level of play was similar in 2023 (i believe Brown was actually better). Sadly they stuck with the old guy because they weren't interested in the short term risk for long term gain. Ya that was the time. Too late now. Gotta ride with him this season and then see what next year brings wbbfan 1
17to85 Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Well personally I'm hoping for lots of streveler to help carry the load. Though I hoped for that last season and we didn't get it then either. blue85gold and Tracker 2
Fatty Liver Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 (edited) Walters presser this afternoon, answers a lot of questions. Edited February 13 by Fatty Liver Jesse, Noeller and Piggy 1 3
Brandon Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 47 minutes ago, M.O.A.B. said: Dunbar signed by EDM That one kind of sucks, he was very consistent in his last two seasons. He didn't disappear for weeks / months at a time and would give you 4 - 5 receptions for 60 yards and then break out for a big game every 5 games or so.
wbbfan Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 1 hour ago, 17to85 said: The time to be bold was last offseason and ship collaros to Ottawa and committed to Dru Brown. At worst their level of play was similar in 2023 (i believe Brown was actually better). Sadly they stuck with the old guy because they weren't interested in the short term risk for long term gain. Yuuuuup. We could’ve gotten nice assets for zach then, and locked in brown on a team friendly deal allowing us to add another high level free agent with ease. 17to85, rebusrankin and Tracker 2 1
Tracker Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 5 hours ago, Fatty Liver said: I still think the WF against the Riders was a bit of an anomaly, explain how a team gets to the WF and is still so incapable of coordination they commit 3 broken coverage errors allowing Kenny Lawler (of all players) to sneak behind them for uncontested TD's. The game turned into a cakewalk, which may have led to over confidence in the potency of their passing attack against the Argos. Agreed- that beatdown was not the Bombers overwhelming the Riders, it was the Riders soiling the sheets. Fatty Liver 1
Goalie Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 15 minutes ago, Tracker said: Agreed- that beatdown was not the Bombers overwhelming the Riders, it was the Riders soiling the sheets. No. The bombers actually beat them down. There’s no need to pretend and change history. Some of you need a break I think cuz it’s like Pete and repete on a boat and Pete fell off so who is left? Repete. Mark H., Bigblue204 and Noeller 1 2
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