Jets Etc.

[sweep the leg]

 Feaster was a poor choice for a GM. The guy knows virtually nothing about hockey & admitted he wasn't a hockey guy & had to rely on the opinion of others when making personnel & scouting choices. Feaster was like one of us here with his expertise. We could have done the job he did.

He was the GM of a Stanley Cup winning team and won Excutive of the Year. His hockey IQ probably deserves a little more credit than this.

[iso_55]

Looking at that Oilers team, you can see why they struggle. No talent behind the blue line. And goaltending woes. I agree with Sweep The Leg, time for excuses are over with that team.

[iso_55]

 

 Feaster was a poor choice for a GM. The guy knows virtually nothing about hockey & admitted he wasn't a hockey guy & had to rely on the opinion of others when making personnel & scouting choices. Feaster was like one of us here with his expertise. We could have done the job he did.

He was the GM of a Stanley Cup winning team and won Excutive of the Year. His hockey IQ probably deserves a little more credit than this.

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Feaster almost gave away the Flames first round draft pick to the Avs for Ryan O'Reilly last season because he didn't know the rules. And the Flames never had the confidence to give him the autonomy to do what he thought he needed to do to run the Flames & for good reason. He admitted he never played hockey & therefore had to rely  on others to tell him who the Flames should draft. He  had absolutely zero input  with the draft or the scouting department other than listening to who the Flames should have drafted from his scouts. he couldn't sit down & talk hockey strategy or the needs of his coach regarding trades with other NHL teams. He left all scouting to Asst GM John Wisebrod. That's like Tim Burke saying he's leaving the offense up to the offensive coaches because he knew nothing about offense. Fans in Calgary & I'm sure ownership went, "What??" 

 

BTW, huge brawl in Vancouver last night with the Flames vs Canucks. Pretty crazy scene at the drop of the face off two seconds in & John Tortorella trying to get into the Flames dressing room between the first & 2nd periods. I never saw the game now I wish  I had to find out why Hartley did what he did & for comments & reactions. 

[Jacquie]

In case you haven't seen it:

 

Torts is blaming Hartley for starting his 4th line saying he had to counter with his tough guys. Hartley says he started his 4th line because they were playing well and had scored a goal in the last game and goals have been hard to come by for the Flames. He said he had no intent to start anything and pointed out that Torts had last change so he could have put anyone on the ice but chose his tough guys. 

 

From TSN:

 

The bad blood wasn't confined to the ice. At the end of the first period CBC cameras captured Tortorella attempting to go into the Flames locker room at Rogers Arena. McGrattan pushed him away.

 

Flames goaltender coach Clint Malarchuk came out of the Flames dressing room after Tortorella and McGrattan were separated. Malarchuk followed Tortorella, but was restrained by several members of Calgary's staff and McGrattan.

 

Much of the altercation appeared off camera, but another camera showed Vancouver defenceman Chris Tanev pulling Burrows back toward the Canucks dressing room.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441595

 

Post Game Comments

http://www.tsn.ca/videohub/?collection=72&show=277738

 

Crossing the Line?

http://www.tsn.ca/videohub/?collection=72&show=277741

 

Boiling Over

http://www.tsn.ca/videohub/?collection=72&show=277714

[iso_55]

Wow, did PJ Stock ever go after Tortorella... saying all his fault. It'll be interesting to see how everything shakes out with the NHL on Monday.  Canuck fans will say Stock is wrong while Flames fans will agree. Do  you believe Hartley when he says  that he started his line with Westgarth & McGratten as a reward for them playing well? Do you believe Torts when he says he couldn't put  the Sedin twins out there as he believed they'd get jumped & he did what he did to  protect his players?

[Jacquie]

I disagree with what Tortorella did but I think he honestly believes he had no choice. This was hardly the first time a 4th line has started a game against another team's top line. 

[Rich]

Wow, did PJ Stock ever go after Tortorella... saying all his fault. It'll be interesting to see how everything shakes out with the NHL on Monday.  Canuck fans will say Stock is wrong while Flames fans will agree. Do  you believe Hartley when he says  that he started his line with Westgarth & McGratten as a reward for them playing well? Do you believe Torts when he says he couldn't put  the Sedin twins out there as he believed they'd get jumped & he did what he did to  protect his players?

 

Honestly, it doesn't matter what lines are out there.  That shouldn't happen.   Its a joke 2 seconds into the game.  Coaches should be fined and penalized .  It starts with them.

[17to85]

 

 

The Blackhawks and Penguins had made the playoffs by this time compared to the Oilers.

Blackhawks yes but largely in part to having Seabrook and Keith in the system before they ever drafted Kane and Toews, You might want to go back and look at the pens though, they drafted very high before they ever got Crosby remember.

 

Whitney was top 5, Fleury was #1, Malkin was #2, Crosby was #1 Staal was #2 So that's 5 top 5 picks in a row for the Pens before they did anything of note, The Oilers have still only had 3 top 5 picks since they started this process and there aren't often Crosbys available to draft either. It's easy for people to forget but the Penguins sucked for a while after they got Crosby too and he was one of their last high picks.

 

Define awhile. The had over 100 points in Crosby's 2nd season. Malkin also didn't arrive until two years after he was drafted.

 

The Oilers have had 6 top 10 picks in the last 7 years. The excuses should be finished for that team.

 

The Oilers problem is that they didn't actually start to try and rebuild until partway through the year they drafted Taylor Hall. Before that they were still giving away assets trying to recapture the magic from 2006. They had nothing in the system before that because they traded away a lot of it. It's not making excuses, just giving the facts which a lot of people don't realize when it comes to Edmonton. They were basically an expansion team because of how much they mismanaged their development system after their run in 06. 

[Jpan85]

Hartley can say all he wants that he wanted that line out because they scored last game. Yet Westgarth is not a centre and he has him out there on the draw. Torts can't go and put his 1 line out there with a chance they get pummelled.

[Mr Dee]

Exactly.

Lost in the kerfuffle of this entire mess is that, despite what Hartley says, the whole melee was started by his guy, Westgarth, who apparently thought scoring a goal could be achieved by going right after Kevin Bieksa and grabbing him to fight.

I guess he thought the puck got trapped around Bieksa's neck and he could wrestle it free and score….despite having lost his stick somehow.

 

No, Calgary got what they wanted and were clearly the instigators.

Hartley knew exactly what he was doing.

 

*BTW…good on Bieksa for moving the youngster Lain, out of the line of fire.

[iso_55]

Tortorella came out before the second period started & stood alone on the bench. He was obviously upset. Clint Malarchuk will get some kind of fine. This was a calculated move by Hartley to get under Torts skin. They apparently have a past, both teams are struggling so I think Hartley wanted to get some kind of psycholigal edge over the guy as his team was doomed if they  just dropped the puck. I agree with Rich that both should get heavily  fined & Tortorella suspended. Tortorella is going to have a stroke or heart attack if he keeps this kind of thing up.

[sweep the leg]

Exactly.

Lost in the kerfuffle of this entire mess is that, despite what Hartley says, the whole melee was started by his guy, Westgarth, who apparently thought scoring a goal could be achieved by going right after Kevin Bieksa and grabbing him to fight.

I guess he thought the puck got trapped around Bieksa's neck and he could wrestle it free and score….despite having lost his stick somehow.

 

No, Calgary got what they wanted and were clearly the instigators.

Hartley knew exactly what he was doing.

 

*BTW…good on Bieksa for moving the youngster Lain, out of the line of fire.

Yeah, I agree with all of this. I already really liked Bieksa, this just confirmed why. Google Bieksa vs. Fedor Fedorov for another reason to love the guy.

 

It was a tough decision for Tortorella to make. Normally I would put the scorers out and try to take advantage of them, but the Scott-Kessel incident is still pretty fresh in everybodys mind. Westgarth lining up at centre was bullshit.

 

Both coaches need big fines/suspensions. Torterella moreso b/c no matter what garbage the other coach pulled, you can't go after guys like he did.

[Jacquie]

You guys don't really believe the same thing would have happened if it had been the Sedins out there, do you? 

[iso_55]

Talk in Calgary was Burke wants a bigger & tougher team. That he feels the Flames are too passive. He was at the game last night & Hartley felt he needed to do  something because he is being evaluated.

[sweep the leg]

You guys don't really believe the same thing would have happened if it had been the Sedins out there, do you? 

Did you really believe that John Scott would go after Kessel like he did?

[Jacquie]

 

You guys don't really believe the same thing would have happened if it had been the Sedins out there, do you? 

Did you really believe that John Scott would go after Kessel like he did?

 

 

Different situation since that happened mid-game, not off the opening face-off. Tough guys have started games lots of times without anything happening. 

[Jpan85]

Those guys were told to send a message by being out there if they do nothing they know they won't have a job for long.

[iso_55]

If that tough Flames line had started against the Sedin line & they got jumped, don't you think Bob Hartley & the entire Flames organization would be up for ridicule & scorn by the hockey world? It would have been a losing scenario for the Calgary Flames as it means guys like Burke & Hartley condone goon hockey. Something the NHL has been trying to get rid  of for years. if this was 1976 & it was the Flyers doing that, I'm sure that would have been the outcome. But today, we just don't know.... I mean. McGratten did grab his guy off the faceoff but he wouldn't dance.

[sweep the leg]

 

 

You guys don't really believe the same thing would have happened if it had been the Sedins out there, do you? 

Did you really believe that John Scott would go after Kessel like he did?

 

 

Different situation since that happened mid-game, not off the opening face-off. Tough guys have started games lots of times without anything happening. 

 

Tough guys have also been on the ice mid-game before without anything happening.

[17to85]

Talk in Calgary was Burke wants a bigger & tougher team. That he feels the Flames are too passive. He was at the game last night & Hartley felt he needed to do  something because he is being evaluated.

Burke and Hartley are both a couple of assholes who think that intimidation still works in hockey and that a goon is as valuable as someone with actual skill. Pretty sure Hartley has pulled stunts like this before, just a real piece of **** that guy. 

[johnzo]

(changing the subject)

 

I grew up in Thunder Bay loving the Jets.  Totally pumped to hear that I might be able to get a Thunder Bay Jets jersey in a few years.

 

Also, beauty game by Pavelic last night.

[kelownabomberfan]

I was watching the game last night and was struck by how much Scheifele is looking like old #10 Dale Hawerchuk out there. He's really gaining a lot of confidence and I am expecting a big year out of him next year.

[Atomic]

I was watching the game last night and was struck by how much Scheifele is looking like old #10 Dale Hawerchuk out there. He's really gaining a lot of confidence and I am expecting a big year out of him next year.

 

It is amazing what progress he has made over the course of half a season.  The sky is the limit for Scheife the Knife.

[Mark H.]

So now that they've lost a game or two...the old 'Noel tendencies' are starting to show. (According to 1290, who have nothing better to talk about)

[Brandon]

So now that they've lost a game or two...the old 'Noel tendencies' are starting to show. (According to 1290, who have nothing better to talk about)

 

Bad goaltending is something Maurice can only do so much with......

 

The goal at the beginning of the Chicago game was an old Noel tendency... (throwing the puck carelessly from behind our net in front of it)

 

Against Nashville all I noticed was Pavs sprawling around way out of place and letting a couple of real bad goals in,   also noticed that Andrew Ladd is missing and appears to be invisible on the ice.

 

Other frequent issues... Bogosian can't hit the net if his life depended on it,   bad hustle from our forwards coming back,  Wheeler holding onto the puck to long,  Stuart the unsung hero on our team,  Setoguchi is invisible,  Thorburn should not be on our first two lines and Scheifle in desperate need of getting 15 lbs of man muscle to help prevent him from being pushed around.  

 

Lots of the under the radar guys like Trouba, Frolik and Stuart really do have lots of hustle and play hard.  

 

Also Montoya definitely should be given a shot at starting job....   Pavs is to streaky and is out of place so frequently and loves to give up the big rebounds.