Mike Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 I know not everyone will be a fan of this, but I am. Good resigning. johnzo, blitzmore and Floyd 3
Jpan85 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 The things that he does are very underated. Always impresses me when he goes up against Richardson in Mtl. gives him fits.
sweep the leg Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 I'm good with it. Of the pending ufa dbs we had, he was on the top of the list for me.
Mr. Perfect Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Very happy with the move. Feel Suber gets unfairly singled out, despite the fact that more often than not he is taking on the opposition's best playmaker. There's been many times he's turned Jamel Richardson into a whiny little school girl and no one talks about it.
IC Khari Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Good signing, one the few FA's we have that I didn't want to see leave ...
johnzo Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Arland Bruce has had some miserable games against Suber too.
17to85 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 are the bombers resigned to having to bring Suber back or did they re-sign him? That is the only things that makes me care about grammar or punctuation.
JuranBoldenRules Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 It would be hard to find a DB not named Osaisai who is worse in coverage when the ball is in the air (and that's nothing to do with being 5'6, it's a lack of awareness). I appreciate his ability to get position on guys off the snap in man coverage, disrupt routes near the line of scrimmage and he's had some amazing games, but to put it simply, we could do a lot better.
Brandon Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 I'm sure his new role as the nose tackle for our new defense will work wonders for him!
Mike Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Posted January 27, 2014 are the bombers resigned to having to bring Suber back or did they re-sign him? That is the only things that makes me care about grammar or punctuation. slow clap. comedygeek 1
Mr Dee Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 It would be hard to find a DB not named Osaisai who is worse in coverage when the ball is in the air (and that's nothing to do with being 5'6, it's a lack of awareness). That describes a heck of a lot of DBs in this league.
TBURGESS Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 OK signing. More of a foot soldier than a difference maker IMO. Then again, we only have one or two difference makers to sign.
Mike Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Posted January 27, 2014 OK signing. More of a foot soldier than a difference maker IMO. Then again, we only have one or two difference makers to sign. Hard to disagree, but every team needs those guys.
wpgallday1960 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 I'm ok with this signing and that's all that matters. Good Day, sirs.
MOBomberFan Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 His work on kick cover team would have been sorely missed. He is consistently one of the first guys downfield.
iso_55 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 We could do better. We could do worse. The thing about our defense last season is despite at one point leading the league in sacks on the front end we were getting burned on the back so I think as a group the DBs needs to get a lot better.
TBURGESS Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 OK signing. More of a foot soldier than a difference maker IMO. Then again, we only have one or two difference makers to sign. Hard to disagree, but every team needs those guys. Agreed. That's what makes it an OK signing. A good signing is a better than average player and a great signing is a difference maker.
gbill2004 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 I like Suber, but I can't seem to get the images out of my head of him playing man-on-man D against 6'2" WRs and getting burned for TD's, because he's just too short. One of my biggest complaints last season about the Bombers was that our DBs are just too short.
James Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Suber Washington and sears are the only guys I want back from last season to compete for jobs... Hopefully Suber doesn't make the team, or gets better
iso_55 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Receivers are getting bigger over all. There always were big receivers but there used to be a lot more smaller ones. That seems to be changing. Look at the Stamps receiving corps, Arthur, McDaniel, West & Price all over 6 feet tall. And Lewis at or near 6 feet tall but nearly 250 lbs. I believe the day of the 5'6 corner or db is coming to an end. That's why I'm neither excited or unhappy he re-signed. What did someone call Suber, a foot soldier? Sure, means he's okay but if someone better comes along, he won't be here.
Floyd Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Suber is the most talented player next to Henoc who is a pending free agent... if its still an 'OK' signing, I guess that says something...
JuranBoldenRules Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Receivers are getting bigger over all. There always were big receivers but there used to be a lot more smaller ones. That seems to be changing. Look at the Stamps receiving corps, Arthur, McDaniel, West & Price all over 6 feet tall. And Lewis at or near 6 feet tall but nearly 250 lbs. I believe the day of the 5'6 corner or db is coming to an end. That's why I'm neither excited or unhappy he re-signed. What did someone call Suber, a foot soldier? Sure, means he's okay but if someone better comes along, he won't be here. I'll take a 5'2 guy who can cover over a 6'5 guy who can't. Doesn't really matter how tall a guy is if he can play the position and get leverage on people. Suber is a great example of this as he took a guy like Richardson in his prime completely out of the game by destroying him at the line by getting leverage on him and not letting him run any of the timing routes that Trestman relied on. Suber just really sucks at tracking the ball when he's not defending close to the line of scrimmage and making a play on it, it's not like he's getting physically manhandled. Interesting study I just read on the impact of height in basketball. Something like 75% of 7+ footers in the NBA are rated as below average defenders and rebounders, which is essentially why the 7 foot tall basketball player exists, especially defense because they are supposed to take away shots near the basket. You can't attribute ability to size. Ideally you'd have physical monsters at every spot on the field, but there just isn't an endless supply of guys who are 6 feet and up with the necessary skills to play corner and halfback in pro football, and often the ones that do make it are guys like Lenny Walls who was 6'4 200 lbs and would lose leverage to 5'10 receivers at the same weight.
gbill2004 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Receivers are getting bigger over all. There always were big receivers but there used to be a lot more smaller ones. That seems to be changing. Look at the Stamps receiving corps, Arthur, McDaniel, West & Price all over 6 feet tall. And Lewis at or near 6 feet tall but nearly 250 lbs. I believe the day of the 5'6 corner or db is coming to an end. That's why I'm neither excited or unhappy he re-signed. What did someone call Suber, a foot soldier? Sure, means he's okay but if someone better comes along, he won't be here. I'll take a 5'2 guy who can cover over a 6'5 guy who can't. Doesn't really matter how tall a guy is if he can play the position and get leverage on people. Suber is a great example of this as he took a guy like Richardson in his prime completely out of the game by destroying him at the line by getting leverage on him and not letting him run any of the timing routes that Trestman relied on. Suber just really sucks at tracking the ball when he's not defending close to the line of scrimmage and making a play on it, it's not like he's getting physically manhandled. Interesting study I just read on the impact of height in basketball. Something like 75% of 7+ footers in the NBA are rated as below average defenders and rebounders, which is essentially why the 7 foot tall basketball player exists, especially defense because they are supposed to take away shots near the basket. You can't attribute ability to size. Ideally you'd have physical monsters at every spot on the field, but there just isn't an endless supply of guys who are 6 feet and up with the necessary skills to play corner and halfback in pro football, and often the ones that do make it are guys like Lenny Walls who was 6'4 200 lbs and would lose leverage to 5'10 receivers at the same weight. I appreciate your analysis, but I saw with my own eyes last season, QBs would target whoever Suber was playing D on in the end zone, and recall thinking that if we had a DB on the WR who was a few inches taller, the TD would have been knocked down. Stats can make a case for anything. My own eyes tell me Suber is too short. I do love his talent, character and effort though.
Mr Dee Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 As they say in the commercials, size isn't everything. How many times have you seen size worthy defenders get beaten by placement of the ball or reaction by the receiver rather than height of the defender? I would say the presence of dynamic defenders is at the low end of the spectrum as is the presence of poor defenders. By far, the greatest number of defenders fall into the middle spectrum of "good" defenders and, how they do falls much more in the scheming of the defence and their reliance on fellow players than on their skill level alone. That's where I would place Suber…in the middle. But, I just love how determined Suber is as he's getting ready on defence and he places himself well and he's a very good tackler. As JBR says, his tracking ability is just average and his speed to recover just isn't there, and that may be size-related. Nevertheless, it's a solid signing.
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