Climate Change

[Atomic]

We should be expanding hydroelectric power to never-before-seen levels.  The real power is in ocean currents.  The tides come in each day, and each day they go back out?  Unexplainable.  But that is movement on such a massive scale.  We should be harnessing that power, instead of leaking radioactive material into the air like 17to85 says.

[kelownabomberfan]

Yes let's all use nuclear power. Who cares if it wipes a town off the map every 25 years or so. Efficiency is the name of the game! And nuclear waste? Forget about it! We can just bury it.

I didn't realize that the Lac Megantic disaster was due to nuclear power. Silly me. It's this kind of panic-driven fear mongering that is holding back nuclear power development. France gets 75% of its electricity from nuclear power and has been operating plants event-free since 1962. Why does that hold no value whatsoever to the panicky-idiot segment of our society that just sees Armageddon behind every nuclear power development? Is this anti-nuclear stuff all planted in your heads in school? I just don't get it, there's basically no basis for all of this fear.

[kelownabomberfan]

We should be expanding hydroelectric power to never-before-seen levels.  The real power is in ocean currents.  The tides come in each day, and each day they go back out?  Unexplainable.  But that is movement on such a massive scale.  We should be harnessing that power, instead of leaking radioactive material into the air like 17to85 says.

But using your rationale of panic-driven irrational fear due to ignorance, we shouldn't use hydroelectricity at all. In 1975, the Banqiao hydro-electric dam burst in China, and killed 171,000 people. So therefore we should never ever build any hydro-electric power dams ever again, because one failed 40 years ago and killed a lot of people. What? They have made technological progress in this field since 1975 and so now they have way more fail-safes in place then they did in 1975? You don't say!! Hmmmm.....maybe just maybe the same could be said for another technology rhyming with buclear?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam

[Atomic]

Look what has happened from the Fukushima disaster alone!!

 

[bluto]

MS Paint is f**kin scary.

[iso_55]

I'm in Calgary but I don't glow in the dark yet.

[bluto]

pretty sure that Atomic was posting it as a joke... but on the off chance that nobody else got it, that map has been mythbusted on Snopes for awhile... http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/fallout.asp

[kelownabomberfan]

pretty sure that Atomic was posting it as a joke... but on the off chance that nobody else got it, that map has been mythbusted on Snopes for awhile... http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/fallout.asp

It's just amazing to me what people will believe if you just make a fake picture. We are supposed to be in an information age with the Internet, but it seems like society has taken a step backward and become even more ignorant and gullible rather than less. Even if Atomic did post that as a joke, there were millions including a lot of morons in Germany of all places who crapped their pants about Fukishima, for no reason whatsoever. Thanks to that one stupid incident, that killed no one, Germany dropped all nuclear powered initiatives and entered into horrible multi-billion dollar solar powered nonsense that has ended up causing them to use more coal fired power then less, and more emissions not less. Just sooooo stupid.

[17to85]

The thing no one ever talks about with solar power is how much pollution you cause making solar panels too. Just ridiculous how villified certain sources are. Hell look at the craze for hybrid cars being "green" I actually read a piece that explained that the lifespan of a hybrid car was 1/3 of a hummer and because of that and the pollution caused producing the batteries for hybrids that a hummer had a smaller environmental footprint considering it would last longer and less polluting to make. 

 

People really need to start looking big picture.

[Atomic]

The destruction of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in March 2011, caused by an earthquake and subsequent tsunami, resulted in massive radioactive contamination of the Japanese mainland. In November 2011, the Japanese Science Ministry reported that long-lived radioactive cesium had contaminated 11,580 square miles (30,000 sq km) of the land surface of Japan.  Some 4,500 square miles – an area almost the size of Connecticut – was found to have radiation levels that exceeded Japan’s allowable exposure rate of 1 mSV (millisievert) per year.

 

About a month after the disaster, on April 19, 2011, Japan chose to drastically increase its official “safe” radiation exposure levels[ii] from 1 mSv to 20 mSv per year – 20 times higher than the US exposure limit.  This allowed the Japanese government to downplay the dangers of the fallout and avoid evacuation of many badly contaminated areas.

 

However, all of the land within 12 miles (20 km) of the destroyed nuclear power plant, encompassing an area of about 230 square miles (600 sq km), and an additional 80 square miles (200 sq km) located northwest of the plant, were declared too radioactive for human habitation.[iii] All persons living in these areas were evacuated and the regions were declared to be permanent “exclusion” zones. 

 

The precise value of the abandoned cities, towns, agricultural lands, businesses, homes and property located within the roughly 310 sq miles (800 sq km) of the exclusion zones has not been established.  Estimates of the total economic loss range from $250[iv]-$500[v] billion US.  As for the human costs, in September 2012, Fukushima officials stated that 159,128 people had been evicted from the exclusion zones, losing their homes and virtually all their possessions. Most have received only a small compensation to cover their costs of living as evacuees.  Many are forced to make mortgage payments on the homes they left inside the exclusion zones. They have not been told that their homes will never again be habitable. 

 

http://www.psr.org/environment-and-health/environmental-health-policy-institute/responses/costs-and-consequences-of-fukushima.html

[Fraser]

The thing no one ever talks about with solar power is how much pollution you cause making solar panels too. Just ridiculous how villified certain sources are. Hell look at the craze for hybrid cars being "green" I actually read a piece that explained that the lifespan of a hybrid car was 1/3 of a hummer and because of that and the pollution caused producing the batteries for hybrids that a hummer had a smaller environmental footprint considering it would last longer and less polluting to make.

People really need to start looking big picture.

I guess no one needs to feel bad about getting a hummer then.

[kelownabomberfan]

The thing no one ever talks about with solar power is how much pollution you cause making solar panels too. Just ridiculous how villified certain sources are. Hell look at the craze for hybrid cars being "green" I actually read a piece that explained that the lifespan of a hybrid car was 1/3 of a hummer and because of that and the pollution caused producing the batteries for hybrids that a hummer had a smaller environmental footprint considering it would last longer and less polluting to make. 

 

People really need to start looking big picture.

Hybrid cars and electric cars are a giant scam - same with solar and wind power. Only idiots who don't understand basic math support these "alternatives", because of course they are subsidized up the yin-yang with government cash.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324128504578346913994914472

[kelownabomberfan]

I guess no one needs to feel bad about getting a hummer then.

[kelownabomberfan]

The destruction of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in March 2011, caused by an earthquake and subsequent tsunami, resulted in massive radioactive contamination of the Japanese mainland. In November 2011, the Japanese Science Ministry reported that long-lived radioactive cesium had contaminated 11,580 square miles (30,000 sq km) of the land surface of Japan.  Some 4,500 square miles – an area almost the size of Connecticut – was found to have radiation levels that exceeded Japan’s allowable exposure rate of 1 mSV (millisievert) per year.

 

About a month after the disaster, on April 19, 2011, Japan chose to drastically increase its official “safe” radiation exposure levels%5Bii%5D from 1 mSv to 20 mSv per year – 20 times higher than the US exposure limit.  This allowed the Japanese government to downplay the dangers of the fallout and avoid evacuation of many badly contaminated areas.

 

However, all of the land within 12 miles (20 km) of the destroyed nuclear power plant, encompassing an area of about 230 square miles (600 sq km), and an additional 80 square miles (200 sq km) located northwest of the plant, were declared too radioactive for human habitation.%5Biii%5D All persons living in these areas were evacuated and the regions were declared to be permanent “exclusion” zones. 

 

The precise value of the abandoned cities, towns, agricultural lands, businesses, homes and property located within the roughly 310 sq miles (800 sq km) of the exclusion zones has not been established.  Estimates of the total economic loss range from $250%5Biv%5D-$500%5Bv%5D billion US.  As for the human costs, in September 2012, Fukushima officials stated that 159,128 people had been evicted from the exclusion zones, losing their homes and virtually all their possessions. Most have received only a small compensation to cover their costs of living as evacuees.  Many are forced to make mortgage payments on the homes they left inside the exclusion zones. They have not been told that their homes will never again be habitable. 

 

http://www.psr.org/environment-and-health/environmental-health-policy-institute/responses/costs-and-consequences-of-fukushima.html

Good grief you are actually serious with this crap. All right then, on the same idiotic principles you are espousing to stand against nuclear, I stand against hydro-electricity. "something bad happened due to old technology and bad planning" - therefore all future development must stop forever. Good night, this is why we end up getting suckered into stupid wind power projects and blowing billions wastefully and needlessly, we let our irrational fears over-ride any sort of good sense.

[Atomic]

Good grief you are actually serious with this crap. All right then, on the same idiotic principles you are espousing to stand against nuclear, I stand against hydro-electricity. "something bad happened due to old technology and bad planning" - therefore all future development must stop forever. Good night, this is why we end up getting suckered into stupid wind power projects and blowing billions wastefully and needlessly, we let our irrational fears over-ride any sort of good sense.

 

 

Which part of the article wasn't factual?  There is no opinion or bias there.  To deny it is to deny reality.  Nuclear power is dangerous.

[iso_55]

                                                                    It's only dangerous if something happens

                                                                    

                                                                    signed,

 

                                                                    Captain Obvious

[iso_55]

I really think we should go back to bear skins & living in caves. Now, to learn to start a fire. Let's see... You take 2 rocks or is that wood? This caveman stuff ain't gonna be easy. Let's ask Neil Young, he'll know. Neil knows everything.

[17to85]

Simple solution, don't build nuclear plants in seismic hotspots. Plenty of places to build them that are seismically stable in North American though and then you won't see any problems at all other than the cost to build them.

[Atomic]

Simple solution, don't build nuclear plants in seismic hotspots. Plenty of places to build them that are seismically stable in North American though and then you won't see any problems at all other than the cost to build them.

 

Right.  Because humans have perfected engineering to the point that only earthquakes can ever harm any man made structure.  Nothing else could ever go wrong.

[iso_55]

Well, Atomic, you can refuse to go out out of your house because you could get hit & killed by a car, a bus your car, someone else's car or a jet engine can fall on your head. Or stay home & die from too much radon in your home, natural gas leak, explosion, fire or a meteorite hitting your home. Maybe you'll electrocute yourself plugging in a lamp or choke to death on a piece of steak. I mean, not have nuclear energy? Replace it with tidal electricity? You do know where you live, right?

And... good luck getting the power lines built from the West &/or East Coast past the landowners who'll want their pound of flesh, native reserves, different provincial governments & the left wing enviros who would put up a roadblock to getting the lines built. As well as the hundreds of billions it would cost in construction alone.  

[Mr Dee]

Alright, it's settled then..the Nuclear sites get built in Calgary!

 

The only really confusing part about this whole "debate" is that someone nicknamed Atomic is voting against it!! 

[17to85]

 

Simple solution, don't build nuclear plants in seismic hotspots. Plenty of places to build them that are seismically stable in North American though and then you won't see any problems at all other than the cost to build them.

 

Right.  Because humans have perfected engineering to the point that only earthquakes can ever harm any man made structure.  Nothing else could ever go wrong.

 

ok so what is going to cause the disaster? The only one recently was caused by a major earthquake... **** like Chernobyl was a result of shitty old equipment and human negligence. Modern reactors have fail safes built in to prevent run away reactions. Ever hear about any problems with the ones in Ontario? How about the ones in France? It's a very safe energy source as long as people don't go full ***** with it. 

[bluto]

i live between two of 'em. we're kinda proud of them... we all should be. they're an examplar of canadian ingenuity. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU

 

great for the economy too. high paying jobs all around.

[iso_55]

And people glowingly talk about their jobs right, Bluto?

[SPuDS]

MS Paint is f**kin scary.

I don't think I've ever liked one of your posts but goddamn that was hilarious.. I actually guffawed out loud..

Kudos good sir