[MOVED] Lyle Bauer back in Manitoba - Politics, not football

[iso_55]

I've been here since 1990 & I've never seen people as angry with the PC's as they are now. Like I said, so toxic is it that no one has emerged to try to run for leader of the party. Yeah, I think the Tories are finally done, thankfully. Forty three years is too long for any political party to govern.

[max power]

So people have just accused Conservatives enough times incorrectly of being corrupt that people are just believing it?  Or are the people saying that just the same ones who fretted about their "hidden agenda" before and after they were elected?

 

Reading stuff like this makes me think we deserve Trudeau and Selinger.

[17to85]

I've been here since 1990 & I've never seen people as angry with the PC's as they are now. Like I said, so toxic is it that no one has emerged to try to run for leader of the party. Yeah, I think the Tories are finally done, thankfully. Forty three years is too long for any political party to govern.

 

The one thing you can't get away with in Alberta is treating tax payer money like it's your own personal piggy bank. This province loved Ralph Klein and his cuts even if they weren't prudent in the long term. They liked surpluses and eliminating the debt. Wildrose is likely to win next time but I am not sure if that's a good thing. I do like their libertarian slant on things but at the same time I worry that they may be too loose on the governing of things that should be governed. 

[road griller]

We are not the only province lagging behind Sask....

Justin is a hottie, they all suck but he will win because of his looks.

This from experience. If not for my looks I would probably be riding the bus and eating no name ravioli, not rockin a 84 LeBaron dining with the Chef!

[Nasty Nate]

So people have just accused Conservatives enough times incorrectly of being corrupt that people are just believing it?  Or are the people saying that just the same ones who fretted about their "hidden agenda" before and after they were elected?

 

Reading stuff like this makes me think we deserve Trudeau and Selinger.

Trudeau yet. Selinger NO

[Jacquie]

Harper's Record:

Sneaking the bodies of fallen soldiers home at night to deny them full ramp honours

Voter suppression

Muzzling of scientists

8-15 billion dollars lost in Afghanistan

Wailing over the Senate while appointing the most senators of any PM

The Robocall scandal

Conservative senator scandal

Election (in and out) scandals

Even his chief policy adviser has turned on him as a dictator

Trying to impose media control

You forgot the recent Dimitri Soudas scandal and firing, the outrageous amount spent on the G8 and G20 conferences including all of the money funneled to areas of Tony Clements' riding that had nothing to do with the conferences, the Helena Guergis scandal, proroguing parliament three times, etc.

[The Unknown Poster]

Harper is so scary.  He will turn this country into a dictatorship.  There will be soldiers in the streets.  WITH GUNS!

 

I love the anti-Harper rhetoric.  How long has he been PM?  When is he going to unleash this terrible agenda? 

 

Stephen Harper has been the best thing to happen to federal politics in decades.  Its always liberals that think they best represent Canadians even the ones that dont vote liberal but they are the first to bury people who disagree with them.  And I say that as a former liberal.

 

I mean sure, I guess if you're rich enough to handle liberal tax and spend or if you're involved in some lobbyist group or if you just hate the rest of the world, then the Liberals are for you.  But Ill tell you right now, given a choice who do you want representing Canada on the world stage?  Harper or the boy blunder Trudeau?

 

As for Manitoba, if the PC's dont win it means one of two things:  The current PC leadership are inept to stunning degrees or Manitobans are the stupidist people of all time.

 

To the person who said we have long memories about a PC government, you're right.  And Id love to have Filmon back.  How dare he balance the budget while receiving WAAAAY lower federal transfer payments.  Sorry, but I dont like HIGHER taxes, LARGER debt, BROKEN promises, ANTI-business and the utter embarrassment that this NDP government currently is.  I liked their support for their Jets and Bombers though.  So there's that.  The PC's will be just as supoportive of both (both because it's good PR and because it's smart investment).

[The Unknown Poster]

 

Harper's Record:

Sneaking the bodies of fallen soldiers home at night to deny them full ramp honours

Voter suppression

Muzzling of scientists

8-15 billion dollars lost in Afghanistan

Wailing over the Senate while appointing the most senators of any PM

The Robocall scandal

Conservative senator scandal

Election (in and out) scandals

Even his chief policy adviser has turned on him as a dictator

Trying to impose media control

You forgot the recent Dimitri Soudas scandal and firing, the outrageous amount spent on the G8 and G20 conferences including all of the money funneled to areas of Tony Clements' riding that had nothing to do with the conferences, the Helena Guergis scandal, proroguing parliament twice, etc.

 

 

Proroguing parliament was 100% justifed.  It's a legitimate tool and he used it to prevent the unelected left from essentially comitting a coup of the federal government.  Look, the people can make their voices heard by voting.  And if the lefties dont like Harper, they have a choice - win an election.  They had the option of trying to steal government and Harper had the option of preventing it.  He was right.  And the people went on to back him be re-electing him so its a moot point.

[Stickem]

If someone is trying to paint the cons. as a 'scandalous free' party LOL you have to look no further than Harpers appointments. Pam Wallin, Duffy, Barezeau and even his right hand man Wright. Nobody is going to look past these jokers in the next election. Mr. Proroguer in Ottawa won't have to use that tactic anymore, as it will be done permanently for him and his party in the next election. Cons. have run up a big credibility deficit.

[Jacquie]

Harper's Record:

Sneaking the bodies of fallen soldiers home at night to deny them full ramp honours

Voter suppression

Muzzling of scientists

8-15 billion dollars lost in Afghanistan

Wailing over the Senate while appointing the most senators of any PM

The Robocall scandal

Conservative senator scandal

Election (in and out) scandals

Even his chief policy adviser has turned on him as a dictator

Trying to impose media control

You forgot the recent Dimitri Soudas scandal and firing, the outrageous amount spent on the G8 and G20 conferences including all of the money funneled to areas of Tony Clements' riding that had nothing to do with the conferences, the Helena Guergis scandal, proroguing parliament twice, etc.

Proroguing parliament was 100% justifed. It's a legitimate tool and he used it to prevent the unelected left from essentially comitting a coup of the federal government. Look, the people can make their voices heard by voting. And if the lefties dont like Harper, they have a choice - win an election. They had the option of trying to steal government and Harper had the option of preventing it. He was right. And the people went on to back him be re-electing him so its a moot point.

He's done it 3 times (2008, 2010 and 2013). Care to attempt to justify the other two times?

[voodoochylde]

 

 

Harper's Record:

Sneaking the bodies of fallen soldiers home at night to deny them full ramp honours

Voter suppression

Muzzling of scientists

8-15 billion dollars lost in Afghanistan

Wailing over the Senate while appointing the most senators of any PM

The Robocall scandal

Conservative senator scandal

Election (in and out) scandals

Even his chief policy adviser has turned on him as a dictator

Trying to impose media control

You forgot the recent Dimitri Soudas scandal and firing, the outrageous amount spent on the G8 and G20 conferences including all of the money funneled to areas of Tony Clements' riding that had nothing to do with the conferences, the Helena Guergis scandal, proroguing parliament twice, etc.

 

 

Proroguing parliament was 100% justifed.  It's a legitimate tool and he used it to prevent the unelected left from essentially comitting a coup of the federal government.  Look, the people can make their voices heard by voting.  And if the lefties dont like Harper, they have a choice - win an election.  They had the option of trying to steal government and Harper had the option of preventing it.  He was right.  And the people went on to back him be re-electing him so its a moot point.

 

 

I wouldn't normally jump in here but this is complete and utter bullshit.  The governement answers to parliament.  Not the other way around.  If the ruling party doesn't have the confidence of the House .. the House is well within it's means to vote down the government and form a collaborative majority which will allow them to govern with the confidence of the House or trigger an election if that stable majority cannot be established.   This is not a coup.  This is how our parliamentary democracy works.

 

Harper proroguing parliament was nothing more than avoiding a confidence motion which would have defeated his government. 

[The Unknown Poster]

Dont give me that nonsense.  I've voted liberal and Cons.  Dont be blinded by the anti-Harper nonsense.

 

Government answers to the people or at least thats how it SHOULD be in a democratic society.  The left tried to STEAL government.  Period.  Dont pretend that it was legitimate lack of confidence.  It wasn't.  it was political BS.  If it wasn't, the PEOPLE would have elected the liberals or the NDP.  They didnt. 

 

Ofcourse the Cons aren't scandal free.  But to point to a loser like Brazeau and hang that around the Cons is silly.  The Liberals have been scandal-free?  Come on.  Harper acted swiftly to condemn Brazeau and boot him.  He acted quickly on Duffy too.  but Duffy is an arrogant loser who pulled the "no one messes with me" nonsense.  I dont think that has stuck to Harper at all and I think he will win the next election too.  The people will speak either way.

[voodoochylde]

Dont give me that nonsense.  I've voted liberal and Cons.  Dont be blinded by the anti-Harper nonsense.

 

Government answers to the people or at least thats how it SHOULD be in a democratic society.  The left tried to STEAL government.  Period.  Dont pretend that it was legitimate lack of confidence.  It wasn't.  it was political BS.  If it wasn't, the PEOPLE would have elected the liberals or the NDP.  They didnt. 

 

Ofcourse the Cons aren't scandal free.  But to point to a loser like Brazeau and hang that around the Cons is silly.  The Liberals have been scandal-free?  Come on.  Harper acted swiftly to condemn Brazeau and boot him.  He acted quickly on Duffy too.  but Duffy is an arrogant loser who pulled the "no one messes with me" nonsense.  I dont think that has stuck to Harper at all and I think he will win the next election too.  The people will speak either way.

 

Nonsense?

 

It's the foundation of parliamentary democracy.  This is what *OUR* system of government is based on.   And please, don't misake my post as partisan or left leaning.  My political slant has nothing to do with my post.  I simply can't let unfettered ignorance of how our system .. our parliament .. is supposed to function go unchecked.

[The Unknown Poster]

 

Dont give me that nonsense.  I've voted liberal and Cons.  Dont be blinded by the anti-Harper nonsense.

 

Government answers to the people or at least thats how it SHOULD be in a democratic society.  The left tried to STEAL government.  Period.  Dont pretend that it was legitimate lack of confidence.  It wasn't.  it was political BS.  If it wasn't, the PEOPLE would have elected the liberals or the NDP.  They didnt. 

 

Ofcourse the Cons aren't scandal free.  But to point to a loser like Brazeau and hang that around the Cons is silly.  The Liberals have been scandal-free?  Come on.  Harper acted swiftly to condemn Brazeau and boot him.  He acted quickly on Duffy too.  but Duffy is an arrogant loser who pulled the "no one messes with me" nonsense.  I dont think that has stuck to Harper at all and I think he will win the next election too.  The people will speak either way.

 

Nonsense?

 

It's the foundation of parliamentary democracy.  This is what *OUR* system of government is based on.   And please, don't misake my post as partisan or left leaning.  My political slant has nothing to do with my post.  I simply can't let unfettered ignorance of how our system .. our parliament .. is supposed to function go unchecked.

 

You can accuse me of ignorance but you're lacking common sense.  Did the Libs and Dems have the *right* under our system to try and steal government?  Sure.  Did the Cons have the *right* to prorogue government to avoid that?  Absolutely.  They did the right thing for the country.  Can you imagine a coalition of Libs and Dems guiding us through the recession?  Yikes.

 

it was bad enough when they forced the Cons to spend more than they intended and then wagged their fingers "look at this deficit"... the deficit would have been much higher under the Liberals.

[max power]

Good point. Wasn't the coalition of the left that tried to take over (along with the separatists, who may have even had veto power) supposedly formed because they were upset that the Conservatives weren't doing ENOUGH stimulus spending?  And then later they're outraged about the deficit. LOL.

 

Meanwhile anyone with a brain knew it was the removal of the ridiculous pay-per-vote law that they were really desparate to stop.

[17to85]

 

 

I wouldn't normally jump in here but this is complete and utter bullshit.  The governement answers to parliament.  Not the other way around.  If the ruling party doesn't have the confidence of the House .. the House is well within it's means to vote down the government and form a collaborative majority which will allow them to govern with the confidence of the House or trigger an election if that stable majority cannot be established.   This is not a coup.  This is how our parliamentary democracy works.

 

Harper proroguing parliament was nothing more than avoiding a confidence motion which would have defeated his government. 

 

Well it's not quite as simple as that, a coalition has to go to the governor general and convince him that they can govern rather than calling an election. Similarly prorouging is not some evil sin either, hell Chretien did it a ton too, Harper asked the governor general to do it, the governor general has to agree, and that's that. There's nothing scandalous about it. Both sides were using the tools at their disposal to play the game. 

[Jacquie]

I wouldn't normally jump in here but this is complete and utter bullshit.  The governement answers to parliament.  Not the other way around.  If the ruling party doesn't have the confidence of the House .. the House is well within it's means to vote down the government and form a collaborative majority which will allow them to govern with the confidence of the House or trigger an election if that stable majority cannot be established.   This is not a coup.  This is how our parliamentary democracy works.

 

Harper proroguing parliament was nothing more than avoiding a confidence motion which would have defeated his government.

Well it's not quite as simple as that, a coalition has to go to the governor general and convince him that they can govern rather than calling an election. Similarly prorouging is not some evil sin either, hell Chretien did it a ton too, Harper asked the governor general to do it, the governor general has to agree, and that's that. There's nothing scandalous about it. Both sides were using the tools at their disposal to play the game.

IIRC Chretien did it once, not a ton.

[voodoochylde]

 

 

 

I wouldn't normally jump in here but this is complete and utter bullshit.  The governement answers to parliament.  Not the other way around.  If the ruling party doesn't have the confidence of the House .. the House is well within it's means to vote down the government and form a collaborative majority which will allow them to govern with the confidence of the House or trigger an election if that stable majority cannot be established.   This is not a coup.  This is how our parliamentary democracy works.

 

Harper proroguing parliament was nothing more than avoiding a confidence motion which would have defeated his government. 

 

Well it's not quite as simple as that, a coalition has to go to the governor general and convince him that they can govern rather than calling an election. Similarly prorouging is not some evil sin either, hell Chretien did it a ton too, Harper asked the governor general to do it, the governor general has to agree, and that's that. There's nothing scandalous about it. Both sides were using the tools at their disposal to play the game. 

 

 

I would never dispute any of that .. with one exception .. Chretien prorouged parliament only once, in 2002, in large part to avoid tabling a report which would have shed light on the sponsorship debacle.    It was not a matter of confidence (at least not at that point in time).

 

I tend to take exception to those who reinforce the notion that coalition governments are some diabolical political maneuver .. voting down the government on a matter of confidence and attempting to form a stable ruling majority is *not* a coup .. I certainly object to anyone who attempts to tell me that the government isn't answerable to Parliament.  Parliament is an extension of the people .. and the government must ensure they have the confidence of our sitting representatives.

[voodoochylde]

 

 

Dont give me that nonsense.  I've voted liberal and Cons.  Dont be blinded by the anti-Harper nonsense.

 

Government answers to the people or at least thats how it SHOULD be in a democratic society.  The left tried to STEAL government.  Period.  Dont pretend that it was legitimate lack of confidence.  It wasn't.  it was political BS.  If it wasn't, the PEOPLE would have elected the liberals or the NDP.  They didnt. 

 

Ofcourse the Cons aren't scandal free.  But to point to a loser like Brazeau and hang that around the Cons is silly.  The Liberals have been scandal-free?  Come on.  Harper acted swiftly to condemn Brazeau and boot him.  He acted quickly on Duffy too.  but Duffy is an arrogant loser who pulled the "no one messes with me" nonsense.  I dont think that has stuck to Harper at all and I think he will win the next election too.  The people will speak either way.

 

Nonsense?

 

It's the foundation of parliamentary democracy.  This is what *OUR* system of government is based on.   And please, don't misake my post as partisan or left leaning.  My political slant has nothing to do with my post.  I simply can't let unfettered ignorance of how our system .. our parliament .. is supposed to function go unchecked.

 

You can accuse me of ignorance but you're lacking common sense.  Did the Libs and Dems have the *right* under our system to try and steal government?  Sure.  Did the Cons have the *right* to prorogue government to avoid that?  Absolutely.  They did the right thing for the country.  Can you imagine a coalition of Libs and Dems guiding us through the recession?  Yikes.

 

it was bad enough when they forced the Cons to spend more than they intended and then wagged their fingers "look at this deficit"... the deficit would have been much higher under the Liberals.

 

 

I'm not anti-conservative but giving credit to *this* Conservative government for guiding us through the recession would be like giving Yoko Ono credit for The Beatles.

 

A couple of quick points regarding the economic stewardship we've benefitted from:

 

* Surplus turned to deficit *BEFORE* the recession took hold.

  - Wait, there wasn't supposed to BE a recession!!

 

* 25% increase in the national federal debt.

 

* Increased household debt largely attributed to the introduction of 40 year, zero down mortgages.

  - Rolled back less than a year later.

  - Rolled back their 35 and 30 year mortgage options in 2011 and 2012 respectively.

  - Policy should never have been implemented to begin with.

 

* Canadians are less informed about budgetary / spending due to the nature of this government.

 

Truthfully, Canada and Canadians in general benefitted from the Liberal policies put in place by Paul Martin.  It insulating our banking industry and protected us from the brunt of what went on worldwide.  These same policies are ones which Harper and Reformers fought to have weakened / removed. 

[iso_55]

Good point. Wasn't the coalition of the left that tried to take over (along with the separatists, who may have even had veto power) supposedly formed because they were upset that the Conservatives weren't doing ENOUGH stimulus spending?  And then later they're outraged about the deficit. LOL.

 

Meanwhile anyone with a brain knew it was the removal of the ridiculous pay-per-vote law that they were really desparate to stop.

Got it!!! Exactly.

[bluto]

sidemouth only prorogued the one time because he was in a majority position for many years... PM Harper was not in so cushy a spot. he had a power hungry failure from Ontario provincial politics (who had done the exact same thing in an Ont minority to disasterous effect!) conspiring with separatists to usurp power...

 

...and this was such an unpopular move by the PM (and the GG) that they went ahead and renewed their confidence in his gov't in successive elections...

 

...but let's not let small things like this get in the way of the left and their media water-carriers hate-on for anything or anybody who exposes their BS.

[Jacquie]

sidemouth only prorogued the one time because he was in a majority position for many years...

Making fun of a person's disability is really low.

[Atomic]

Rule 3 from the Lefty handbook: When someone says something you don't have a response for, act offended and cry 'Politically Incorrect'!

Too funny!

[bluto]

Rule 3 from the Lefty handbook: When someone says something you don't have a response for, act offended and cry 'Politically Incorrect'!

Too funny!

 

going to presume that was from the post above yours (which i can't see).

 

typical of the left though, as you say. 

[Mr Dee]

But class and sensitivity don't come from a handbook.