17to85 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 Well, if this doesn't throw a funk into the wagnells... Drew Edwards……... • one element of the labour dispute not getting enough attention is the Alberta Labour Relations Board ruling that will allow all players under contract - including first-year players - to participate in the the srike vote this weekend (and, one would assume, any ratification vote.) The CFLPA has maintained that players who have not played in a CFL game - and therefore haven't paid union dues off a game cheque - aren't eligible to vote. Now, the CFLPA has a situation where all players on two teams are voting while only vets are voting on the seven others. The league would like all players to vote because they believe that the vast majority of first-year players won't want to strike, given that they need training camp to earn jobs. Man, you Alberta folks have some weird interpretations. We here in Alberta like to think we don't live in some socialist utopia like you guys in Manitoba. We used to be free enterprise, pro business & anti unions. But Red Tories & closest NDPers like Ed Stelmach & Alison Redford changed all that. Now, we're just like everybody else. The Alberta Advantage is dead. As a comparison of economic management, look at Norway vs Alberta. Both have the same amount of conventional petroleum reserves, but Norway has used their revenues to fund free Medicare including eye-care, psychological treatment, dentistry, physio, and pharmacare. They also have free post-secondary education for academically qualified students and transportation infrastructure second to none. Also, no school or property taxes and they have some 50 billion dollars in various ethical investments all around the world. And Alberta has Redford's penthouse and lot of very rich US and Chinese investors. Damn those socialists and their financial responsibilities. I am tired after a long drive from Calgary to Manitoba but I am going to explain some things about this situation to you tomorrow, quoting now so I remember to do it.
JuranBoldenRules Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 In general, I think it proper that all members ( including rookies) have a vote. It's their future too, maybe even more so than an aging vet. They have a small window right now to prove themselves, next year there will be more rookies coming in. Proven vets get more chances and the benefit of doubt from coaches and managers. Just look at how excited some fans get for brand name players. I'm going to assume that they aren't voting on the owners' proposal directly, but rather a typical strike mandate to allow the PA's leadership the authority to call a strike at any time. These are often sold as "negotiation tactics" but I hope that the players fully understand what the reality of the situation is. I agree that all members should get an equal vote generally, but rookies aren't members yet cause they haven't paid any dues, they haven't been paid at all yet (aside from per diem, accommodation), even training camp stipends only kick in after a player has a year in the league. It's kind of insane IMO that they are allowed to vote before they've made a team. Their votes are going to be disproportionate too with full training camp rosters. A bunch of guys who will get cut in the next 3 weeks are going to vote and never even become CFLPA members, versus the rookies being a relatively small portion of CFLPA members after rosters are set. blitzmore 1
Jpan85 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 No increase in salary cap will go to the bottom third of roster its all going to go to starting Canadians and QBs. No point in a dramatic increase in salary cap so Ricky Ray, Henry Burris and Darian Durant get an extra 50k a year. robynjt 1
The Unknown Poster Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 I would suspect the PA would *not* want rookies to count. Why would a rookie vote to strike? If the pre-season is wiped out, who is the first to go? Probably the players on the bubble, the rookies getting a look. Teams will only be able to go with what they know and if they dont know the rookies, they are done. Rookies will vote to to NOT strike. Thats why this re-vote confuses me. Is it being forced upon the PA due to labour laws or is this the PA "confirming" their mandate. Ie. they got a strong mandate to strike when there was no impending strike their talk of walking out caused a lot of players to slam on the breaks. So now a re-vote. If they dont get a strong majority to strike, thats as good as voting in favour of the CFL's offer. On the subject of this extra Playoff game with no added pay: does that mean players play an extra game for the same per-game bonus? Or the money now spent in Post Season is divided up among more games?
road griller Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 What they do the rest of the year isn't relevant. But from a pr perspective they can't plead poverty with $90,000 for six months work.you can when your life is constantly on the line... Are you joking me? RCMP salary is less than this for a whole year and their lives truly are on the line. These guys play a game, for God's sake! I think he meant their professional life. Like their job, they can get cut at any time. Peace officers, military do put their lives on the line but 99.999% make it through. And as long as they do their jobs properly can retire after a long career with great benefits. I would say the average RCMP officer's salary would be darn close to the average CFL salary and you are looking at a big difference in average career length.
The Unknown Poster Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 What they do the rest of the year isn't relevant. But from a pr perspective they can't plead poverty with $90,000 for six months work.you can when your life is constantly on the line... Are you joking me? RCMP salary is less than this for a whole year and their lives truly are on the line. These guys play a game, for God's sake! I think he meant their professional life. Like their job, they can get cut at any time. Peace officers, military do put their lives on the line but 99.999% make it through. And as long as they do their jobs properly can retire after a long career with great benefits. I would say the average RCMP officer's salary would be darn close to the average CFL salary and you are looking at a big difference in average career length. There is really no comparison between the community contribution of an RCMP officer versus a CFL player. Dont even want to bother with that debate. But sports is one of those things that is what it is. I remember when I was a kid and the new arena debate was raging. My dad complained about what players make compared to what he makes. And I said well Dad, if 15,000 people paid X amount of dollars to watch you do your job, you'd make more.
Jacquie Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 Dave Naylor said the League challenged the vote and the challenge was only upheld in Ontario.
The Unknown Poster Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 Dave Naylor said the League challenged the vote and the challenge was only upheld in Ontario. What was the nature of the challenge, that rookies were not included?
Jacquie Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 Dave Naylor said the League challenged the vote and the challenge was only upheld in Ontario. What was the nature of the challenge, that rookies were not included? He didn't say but that is seems about right to me.
voodoochylde Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 Apparently the three Ontario teams (including the rookies) will have a strike re-vote ..
The Unknown Poster Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 Madani reports players will begin striking on Monday. Didnt say if that meant Monday at 11:59PM or Monday morning or what. I could be wrong but this just seems foolish to me. I dont see what is gained by striking away some Pre-Season games that are only going to end up screwing some players who are on the bubble. Strike before the regular season if you want to pressure the league.
robynjt Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 No increase in salary cap will go to the bottom third of roster its all going to go to starting Canadians and QBs. No point in a dramatic increase in salary cap so Ricky Ray, Henry Burris and Darian Durant get an extra 50k a year. I agree. If the union really cared about the players (not the big names) - you would increase the salary cap and the minimum.
max power Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 I kind of feel now that the league should have locked the players out before camp to avoid all this strike silliness right when games are supposed to be played. I wonder if the PA would be springing big leaks by now.
The Unknown Poster Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 I think the CFL is just playing with the PA at this point. Now the strike talk is in full effect, the league might offer a new deal shortly with minor consessions so as to prove they are the ones who really dont want labour distruptions. If the PA rejects and strikes, public perception will be fully on the side of the league as well the league will be in the position of saying "hey, we made you guys a fair deal and now you strike...so if you want to play football, better come back to the table". The onus would be right back on the players. The PA will then make a new deal that the league will reject and suddenly you'll have veterans questioning the PA about why they're missing games. Harbaugh and voodoochylde 2
mbrg Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 Madani reports players will begin striking on Monday. Didnt say if that meant Monday at 11:59PM or Monday morning or what. I could be wrong but this just seems foolish to me. I dont see what is gained by striking away some Pre-Season games that are only going to end up screwing some players who are on the bubble. Strike before the regular season if you want to pressure the league. Money. Looking for answers as to why anything happens in life? Easiest starting point is follow the money. If the players do what you suggest they lose their game cheques. Losing a pre-season game only affects the revenue stream of the teams. Doesn't cost the players anything.
gbill2004 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 @SUNMitchell: With Alberta strike vote looming, two sources tell me #CFL and CFLPA are doing some late-afternoon negotiating today.
gbill2004 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 @TSNScianitti: Positive news on #CFL #CFLPA talks: There were discussions Friday & talks did not break off. Strike votes will still take place, but...hope? Noeller 1
The Unknown Poster Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 I'd suspect pay is desperately looking for a face-saver at this point.
iso_55 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 What is the CFL worried about a 10th team in the new CBA for? (Like for sure there'll be a new team in the next four years). Just get a damned deal done, asshats. Everyone involved are a bunch of idiots.
Stickem Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Golden Goose meet Cleaver. I doubt that both sides want any part of causing, what could be irreparable damage to the league and it's fans. Saner heads must prevail and it looks like a light has gone on, in a couple of noggins', with the latest developments. Get it done guys.
The Unknown Poster Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 I doubt the 10th team parts of the cba are causing issues.
KptKrunch Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 What is the CFL worried about a 10th team in the new CBA for? (Like for sure there'll be a new team in the next four years). Just get a damned deal done, asshats. Everyone involved are a bunch of idiots. They're not idiots both sides are just looking for the best deal. Revenue sharing won't happen that's for sure so the players are going to concede that. No preseason games (that hurts the owners) but I highly doubt these guys will miss a paycheck.Only thing I'm curious about, will it be a strike,or a lock out?
Mr. Perfect Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 The CFL is on record saying they won't lock out the players. It's on the players whether or not games will be missed.
KptKrunch Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 The CFL is on record saying they won't lock out the players. It's on the players whether or not games will be missed. I've heard that but I've also heard they aren't dismissing it as a possibilty either. From what I gather, the Players would strike, but would come back to work to start the season even if a contract was not in play, it would be at that point the owners would 'lock them out'. People speculating on talk radio (I don't even know if that would be legal TBH) is where I heard that from.
The Unknown Poster Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 League is silly if they don't lock out players. Twitter all afire with pics of the cflpa voting stations which consist of mini vans in parking lots. Lol
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