The TV Thread

[iHeart]

Just now, FrostyWinnipeg said:

I'm going with Ice-T.

is he still on SVU?

[The Unknown Poster]

31 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

I'm going with Ice-T.

Ice-T wasn’t an original cast member. The only original still on SVU is Hargitay I believe. 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

11 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Ice-T wasn’t an original cast member. The only original still on SVU is Hargitay I believe. 

Wiki says you're right but hoping the writer got it wrong too.

Okay, Linda Hunt!

Greys will outlive us all.

Edited October 19, 2018 by FrostyWinnipeg

[iHeart]

man what the heck is going on at Netflix? first Iron Fist now Luke Cage

https://tvline.com/2018/10/19/luke-cage-cancelled-season-3-netflix-marvel/

[FrostyWinnipeg]

8 hours ago, iHeart said:

man what the heck is going on at Netflix? first Iron Fist now Luke Cage

https://tvline.com/2018/10/19/luke-cage-cancelled-season-3-netflix-marvel/

Conspiracy theory in me wonders if they both going to Disney's new channel.

[iHeart]

1 minute ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Conspiracy theory in me wonders if they both going to Disney's new channel.

but that's not going to launch for awhile

[JCon]

15 hours ago, iHeart said:

man what the heck is going on at Netflix? first Iron Fist now Luke Cage

https://tvline.com/2018/10/19/luke-cage-cancelled-season-3-netflix-marvel/

Iron Fist was bad and Luke Cage was not much better. They gave them a run and it didn't work out. I suspect there's also a bit of over-saturation, and there will be a bit of a vacuum after the Infinity Wars 2. 

[iHeart]

Looks like Disenchantment isn't going anywhere

https://tvline.com/2018/10/22/disenchantment-renewed-season-2-netflix-premiere-return-date/

[itchy]

31 minutes ago, iHeart said:

Looks like Disenchantment isn't going anywhere

https://tvline.com/2018/10/22/disenchantment-renewed-season-2-netflix-premiere-return-date/

That's good! I really liked the first episodes. It's different than the Simpsons and Futurama.

[JCon]

19 minutes ago, itchy said:

That's good! I really liked the first episodes. It's different than the Simpsons and Futurama.

It is different. It's kind of good but did get stale near the end of the first season. There's a few twists and turns and they carry like an ongoing narrative (and yet some things are kept in bottle episodes, which is weird). 

That being said, I flew through season one in less than a week, so I must have enjoyed it. 

[iHeart]

1 hour ago, itchy said:

That's good! I really liked the first episodes. It's different than the Simpsons and Futurama.

except they have kept the futurama voice actors

[iHeart]

I'm curious as to how this will start though, in the original series, their parents had already been dead for 6 months. 

https://tvline.com/2018/10/22/party-of-five-reboot-pilot-cast-full-list-immigration-drama/

Edited October 22, 2018 by iHeart

[The Unknown Poster]

Saw some rumors that Disney will have 2-4 Marvel TV series on their streaming platform including Loki and Scarlet Witch (with the original actors) and they're being produced by Marvel Films and not the TV side.  

[JCon]

Just now, The Unknown Poster said:

Saw some rumors that Disney will have 2-4 Marvel TV series on their streaming platform including Loki and Scarlet Witch (with the original actors) and they're being produced by Marvel Films and not the TV side.  

That's what I've been hearing too. Loki will be cool (I hope). 

[The Unknown Poster]

14 hours ago, iHeart said:

I'm curious as to how this will start though, in the original series, their parents had already been dead for 6 months. 

https://tvline.com/2018/10/22/party-of-five-reboot-pilot-cast-full-list-immigration-drama/

I enjoyed Party of Five and the premise sounds interesting but it aggravates me when they slap on a name from an older TV show that has nothing to do with the new one.  And in this case, given this premise, I think it does the new show a disservice too.  Re-boots generally suck.  Revivals have a chance...

[The Unknown Poster]

So...who's watching Making a Murder 2?

[JCon]

Just now, The Unknown Poster said:

So...who's watching Making a Murder 2?

Going to start very soon. Is it good? Am I going to be outraged and shake my fist at the TV? 

[The Unknown Poster]

Just now, JCon said:

Going to start very soon. Is it good? Am I going to be outraged and shake my fist at the TV? 

Im halfway through.  Its very different than the first in terms of being slower paced.  It doesnt have the "gotcha" of every episode like the first one did.  Its a bit dryer.  But still very interesting.  They sort of methodically work through certain pieces of evidence and how they believe it was planted or fabricated.  Plus it follows Brendan's appeal and the ups and downs of that.

It actually has interviews with the original lawyers even as they are thrown under the bus for an "ineffective assistance of council" charge (they graciously say that any good lawyer would look for mistakes).

One thing it does for me, and Im only half way through...it sort of takes a fresh look at things, so whereas I felt the cops were involved in specific ways, the new lawyer has different theories.  But we're not done yet.

I wont spoil anything but for example, I was convinced the cops planted the victim's Rav4 (one cop who was a disaster on the stand had called in the lic plate BEFORE the vehicle had been found) but thats not this lawyer's theory.  So she works through a different theory including a different suspect and at the end of the episode I just finished she says "well, maybe the cops did plant the Rav4" lol

It also included evidence that was not included in the original.  Remember the original defense believed the blood had been planted from a vial of Avery's blood that had been taken from his earlier wrongful rape conviction (the vial had a pin prick in it)?  They got beat up in the trial because the blood in the vial had a chemical for testing which the blood in the Rav4 did not have.  Well, Avery all along discounted that theory and very specifically said how the blood planting happened....and they go into that, complete with testing.

The new lawyer is a bit odd but obviously quite brilliant.  She flat out says if her clients are guilty, she's their worst nightmare because she WILL prove it.  If they're innocent, she will prove that too.

[JCon]

As season 1 developed, I felt that we were not getting a full picture and that the documentarians (is that a word?) were steering the narrative. I never felt we saw a balanced view. 

Now, what we did see, seemed to be enough to throw the whole case and conviction into question. 

Also, now that this is a high profile case, it obviously sees a lot more attention and the outcomes are playing out in the national media. Not as many surprises. 

But, I still look forward to watching it. Thanks for the write up. I'll touch base when I get into it. 

 

(I'm still finishing the Ken Burns doc - Vietnam and Hip Hop Revolution just released season 2). I guess I just watch docs!

[The Unknown Poster]

6 minutes ago, JCon said:

As season 1 developed, I felt that we were not getting a full picture and that the documentarians (is that a word?) were steering the narrative. I never felt we saw a balanced view. 

Now, what we did see, seemed to be enough to throw the whole case and conviction into question. 

Also, now that this is a high profile case, it obviously sees a lot more attention and the outcomes are playing out in the national media. Not as many surprises. 

But, I still look forward to watching it. Thanks for the write up. I'll touch base when I get into it. 

 

(I'm still finishing the Ken Burns doc - Vietnam and Hip Hop Revolution just released season 2). I guess I just watch docs!

Yeah I think in the first season, there was some sense that this was a balanced Doc...which i clearly wasnt because the DA wouldnt cooperate.  In Season 2, you never get that sense...its about these two innocent people who were framed.

Personally, I was never 100% convinced Avery didnt do it but felt once the cops planted evidence (which seems pretty clear), there is no way to convince him beyond a reasonable doubt.  In the case of Brendan, its utterly ridiculous.  There wasn't one shred of evidence that he did anything.  

[JCon]

Just now, The Unknown Poster said:

Personally, I was never 100% convinced Avery didnt do it but felt once the cops planted evidence (which seems pretty clear), there is no way to convince him beyond a reasonable doubt.  In the case of Brendan, its utterly ridiculous.  There wasn't one shred of evidence that he did anything.  

Yes, there was zero physical evidence just a very dodgy confession, that did not provide a reasonable explanation. The whole thing was crazy. 

[The Unknown Poster]

In cases like this, they need a better way to take a second look.  In the Dassey case, it was the Wisconsin AG who decides to appeal to overturning of the conviction, but even though he's not the same AG, he is somewhat biased.  If he lets Dassey go, he's throwing his cops and DA under the bus and opening them up to a lawsuit.  It also begins to crack the foundation of the Avery case and if that happened, Avery would have a massive lawsuit against everyone.  

[FrostyWinnipeg]

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

So...who's watching Making a Murder 2?

Spoiler

Watched a little of it. It ends in an unspectacular way but it leaves open a season 3 which will be really short if they can not get the S.Avery sentence overturned from the CD of torture porn they found on his other nephew's comp.

 

[iHeart]

I bet she likely won't be back on the air

https://tvline.com/2018/10/25/megyn-kelly-blackface-controversy-today-show-episodes/

[The Unknown Poster]

On 2018-10-23 at 9:14 AM, JCon said:

Yes, there was zero physical evidence just a very dodgy confession, that did not provide a reasonable explanation. The whole thing was crazy. 

Watched up the second last episode.  Its ridiculous.  The coverage of Dassey's appeal is infuriating.  And it shows that even Judge's who who expect to be highly intelligent, logical people can dig in their heels and not care about facts.  

The key thing being, Dassey's "confession" was clearly completely false.  Not a single thing he said was supported by any other evidence.  And in fact, it was so clearly nonsense, the DA didnt even use it against Avery.  They literally tried to different guys for the same murder with two different theories.  Ridiculous.  

One of the appellate judges pointed out that in the confession, Dassey said they shot the victim in the garage and asked "where were the shells found?, the garage?" as if to say, see how could he know that.  Except he could have said anything.  He could have said the victim was an alien.  The whole point was not that they wrongfully forced Dassey to confess to a real crime, it's that the confession was completely fictional.

A huge AHA moment for me in the first season was the officer who called dispatch BEFORE the victim's car was found and "called in" the lic plate.  They played the recording and it was SO obvious that he was looking at the vehicle when he called it in.  But it wasnt clear how that all tied to the rest of it or how that officer came upon the car.

In season 2, they have a credible witness with no reason to lie who swears he saw the victim's car off the highway and right after seeing it, walked into a gas station where there was a "missing" poster of the victim and car.  In side was also that VERY SAME officer and the witness told the officer he saw the car just up the highway.  It was right after that, that the call to dispatch came in.  Voila, the missing pieces.

There was then suddenly multiple cell phone calls to the victim's ex bf, every couple of minutes, from a "No ID" number which the phone company said they believed was likely a law enforcement phone and the reason it was every two minutes is because in the area, cell phone calls often dropped.  Why would they be calling the ex bf?  Well, let's assume the killer tossed the keys.  The ex bf, who was best friends with the victim's room mater and visited often, could get the "valet key"...the same key the victim never used but which was found in Avery's bedroom in PLAIN SITE after 7 previous searches.  

That valet key had NO prints or DNA other than from Avery but it was MASSIVE DNA levels.

Also, Avery's brother reported strange headlights down one of the roads on their property the same night the witness told the cop about the car and the headlights were seen about the same time the repeated cell phone calls from "No ID" ceased.  The brother's story is very credible because both he and Steve told the cops about it immediately and the cops even tried to trip the brother up and when he saw them and he corrected them.

For me...Im a law & order guy.  You want to believe the police dont do this and when crooks claim conspiracy, its all BS.  The hard part is accepting the cops could do ONE nefarious thing.  Once you accept they could do that ONE thing...its really easy to accept they did the rest.

Oh and by the way, the location the witness saw the victim's car abandoned?  Right by the location Brendan's brother was going hunting the very day Teresa disappeared and right beside property his step-father owned.  That brother....it was HIS testimony that badly hurt Steve because he claimed he saw Teresa walking into Steve's home...that statement is refuted by other witnesses.  Steve's story is that the brother left immediately after Teresa did.

It all fits together.