Ontarians are bleeping idiots

[kelownabomberfan]

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money"

 

Baroness Thatcher.

 

Disagree.  No one gets rich without other people working for them.  Who's benefiting more: an employee at Microsoft or Bill Gates?

I like this one better:

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

[kelownabomberfan]

Yes, I'm beginning to think the NDP has a reasonably good chance at winning the next provincial election.  Pallister and co. can only beat that %8 PST horse for so long.  They haven't really haven't communicated an effective strategy as to how to improve the Manitoba's fortunes.  Their vision must include more than simple cutbacks.

I agree with this. As the horrid NDP found out here in BC, you can only go so far campaigning on a "look how bad that guy is" vibe, without supplying any reasons why you'd be any better. The NDP also made some insanely stupid moves during the election too. The leader here, Adrian Dix, decided half way through the campaign that he was going to cancel a multi-billion dollar pipeline project, sight unseen, and that was enough to make everyone realize that while the BC Liberals were old and stale and ridden with scandals, they were still better than the job-killing tax and spend radical leftist bonehead NDP. Thank goodness for that. The headline summed it up "Dix sunk by flaccid campaign". Hee hee...

Pallister has to start being positive and talking about all of the things he's going to do if elected, not just focus on how bad the other guy is. People usually prefer the devil they know, unless convinced that you are a better option.

[The Unknown Poster]

Hopefully Pallister learned from the party's failing last time that you can't out-NDP the NDP.  If voters are faced with a choice between two parties that will simply tax & spend then they will likely stick with the one thats been doing it the longest.

 

The PC's must present a conservative plan and trust that people are fed up with the NDP. 

[Mark H.]

 

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money"

 

Baroness Thatcher.

 

Disagree.  No one gets rich without other people working for them.  Who's benefiting more: an employee at Microsoft or Bill Gates?

I like this one better:

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

 

 

With all due respect to Mr. Churchill, presenting either / or scenarios helps no one.

[kelownabomberfan]

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money"

 

Baroness Thatcher.

 

Disagree.  No one gets rich without other people working for them.  Who's benefiting more: an employee at Microsoft or Bill Gates?

I like this one better:

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

 

With all due respect to Mr. Churchill, presenting either / or scenarios helps no one.

I disagree. I think it's a brilliant insight into the philosophy of socialism. True socialists aren't happy until everyone is suffering, and suffering equally. Look at Venezuela. Total basketcase of an economy, all due to socialism killing off all economic incentive to succeed, and also chasing away any and all capital necessary to create a vibrant economy. Kind of like BC in the 1990's.

[The Unknown Poster]

Im not very knowledgable about the Teacher's strike but I do have several friends that are teachers here.  Like many people I was always under the impression that teachers barely scraped by with minimal salary and were tasked with dawn to dusk working conditions.  A good friend of mine who is a teacher never belittles the effort and contribution of teachers, but he is a realist.  If I remember correctly, they teach 5 classes a day, including "prep time".  They are encouraged to do extra work like supervise lunch, sports etc etc.  But it's not the 7am to 9pm non-stop work some make it out to be. 

 

They make reasonable wages.  Have summers off (where they can pick up other work if they choose), Christmas off etc.  Good teachers love the job and find it fullfilling.  But a teacher doesnt choose that profession with the expectation of sacrificing all the good things in life.  It's a good job.

 

My understanding is in BC, they start at mid $40,000's and cap off at $75,000-ish.  I believe their required classroom time is 5 hours per day.  They get summer off.  In a perfect world, there would only be wonderful teachers and they'd make more money.  This isnt a perfect world.  For every teacher who is under-paid for the effort, skill, passion and success  they bring to the classroom, there are others just sleep-walking through or worse, are a net-negative on the students.  This is a public sector job.  its taxpayer dependent..  I think Im okay with a profession that pays $45,000-$80,000. Yes, you can higher paying jobs in the private sector.  So go work in the private sector.

[kelownabomberfan]

As a guy who has two parents who are teachers, I won't belittle the hard work of dedicated teachers. They deserve to be paid well, they are sculpting the young minds that will one day be taking care of us old guys. Right now, per stats I read, Canadian teachers are the second highest paid in the world. And I am ok with that. What I'm not ok with is teachers striking and using kids as pawns. They argue it's the government that is doing that, but I think both are to blame. Making kids stay home instead of being in school is a tremendously selfish act that I find reprehensible.

[Mark H.]

 

I disagree. I think it's a brilliant insight into the philosophy of socialism. True socialists aren't happy until everyone is suffering, and suffering equally. Look at Venezuela. Total basketcase of an economy, all due to socialism killing off all economic incentive to succeed, and also chasing away any and all capital necessary to create a vibrant economy. Kind of like BC in the 1990's.

 

 

I'll just post a quote that covers both extremes and call it a day.

 

"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite."

 

~John Kenneth Galbraith~

 

[kelownabomberfan]

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

-Winston Churchill

[road griller]

 

And the Wall Street bailouts?  Capitalism took a huge kick in the groin, showing its flaws as well.

 

 

 

Funny how fast the hands come out when the glove is on the other foot. 

 

you'd be hard pressed to call that capitalism though. More like government supported monopolies. 

 

Well, the lenders and investors caused much of the grief.  Capitalists Gone Wild. 

[Jacquie]

I didn't want to start a new thread for this so this one seemed the most appropriate to use. I thought this was funny.

 

jimmy fallon        ✔ @jimmyfallon

A Minnesota town just elected a dog as mayor. The mayor pees in the street & eats out of the garbage. Toronto said "Been there!” #fallonmono

[iso_55]

Sounds like a normal night out on the town for Rob Ford.