Can we "Worman" Gary Ethchevery?

[17to85]

 

It's not that I want Etch fired... it's that I wish he was never hired in the first place. 

Exactly. We all thought Stubler was coming here & everyone was excited. Then when that didn't happen, we get Etcheverry. And everything that comes with the guy. Thud!!

 

it's not even that Stubler didn't come here. It's just that Etch is a known commodity and I didn't like his defenses in previous stops so I didn't want him here. I'd have rather given an unknown a shot than go with a guy who I know I don't like.

[Floyd]

 

 

It's not that I want Etch fired... it's that I wish he was never hired in the first place. 

Exactly. We all thought Stubler was coming here & everyone was excited. Then when that didn't happen, we get Etcheverry. And everything that comes with the guy. Thud!!

 

it's not even that Stubler didn't come here. It's just that Etch is a known commodity and I didn't like his defenses in previous stops so I didn't want him here. I'd have rather given an unknown a shot than go with a guy who I know I don't like.

 

 

I was hoping we would bring in experience... as long as it wasn't Marshall, Daley or Etch, ha... oh well.

[iso_55]

 

 

Historically Etch has used undersized personal in his defense sand had difficulty stopping the run. He may have been the innovator of the SAM as a DB/LB. His mistake in Sask with that was moving Vincent Donaldson, a true corner who was shy about tackling into that spot. Teams exploited that and ran up and down all over them. It is early but a fear of it here lingers.

So let me get this straight...you're worried that Etch is going to use a true corner who is shy about tackling in the wrong spot?

 

No, he's saying Etch put the wrong guy at the Sam position. Pretty clear to me what he was saying.

 

If anything it shows Etch is good with X's & O's but not good at judging who should play where. 

[iso_55]

 

 

It's not that I want Etch fired... it's that I wish he was never hired in the first place. 

Exactly. We all thought Stubler was coming here & everyone was excited. Then when that didn't happen, we get Etcheverry. And everything that comes with the guy. Thud!!

 

it's not even that Stubler didn't come here. It's just that Etch is a known commodity and I didn't like his defenses in previous stops so I didn't want him here. I'd have rather given an unknown a shot than go with a guy who I know I don't like.

 

Yeah, that's what I was hoping would happen. There are some bright young coaches in the CFL that would have done a good job.

[Adrenaline_x]

Thanks for the reading material while popping, but it all ****. Etch may suck and so might the blues defense. I will withhold judgement to later into the season. But.... It was said earlier this year that etch's wasn't good against the run and after two games, there was no response from the blue when the other teams were running for 10-30 yards at a time.

Pass coverage doesn't matter if the running backs are moving the ball.

[SPuDS]

All i gotta say is o'shea, walters and etch have been around the cfl for ever.. 2 of the 3 are defensive specialists first and foremost.. I highly doubt they are sitting around collectively smacking their foreheads saying "omgz teh run!"

Im sure there is a plan in place to shut down the run when the real bullets fly..

[iso_55]

All i gotta say is o'shea, walters and etch have been around the cfl for ever.. 2 of the 3 are defensive specialists first and foremost.. I highly doubt they are sitting around collectively smacking their foreheads saying "omgz teh run!"

Im sure there is a plan in place to shut down the run when the real bullets fly..

We'll see...

[DR. CFL]

Everyone has a plan and at the end of the season only one plan was successful...the sad reality of pro sports.

[Mark H.]

All i gotta say is o'shea, walters and etch have been around the cfl for ever.. 2 of the 3 are defensive specialists first and foremost.. I highly doubt they are sitting around collectively smacking their foreheads saying "omgz teh run!"

Im sure there is a plan in place to shut down the run when the real bullets fly..

 

After the last couple years...I wouldn't assume anything.  

[mbrg]

I'm willing to give him a chance but I do wonder if Etch's defensive scheme can deal with current offensive trends in the CFL.  Argos will dink and dunk underneath effectively moving the ball down the field and Hamilton may decide to go that way now that they have Collaros.  Teams like Calgary, BC and perhaps Sask. will take what's given and should be able to run at will against his kind of defense.  Effectively pass protecting for the long ball doesn't prevent other teams from finding ways to win games.

 

Still bothers me that in that pre-season interview Etch thinks of himself as a misunderstood genius that's ahead of the curve.  Primary role of the defense should be  to adjust to what the offense is trying to accomplish and stop it.  The Bombers seem to have no ability to stop the run and i.m.o. Cornish would have easily ripped off a 200+ game if he was allowed to continue. 

And the primary role of pre-season is to evaluate all the players and decide who will remain on the final roster.  The easiest way to do this is to give them all comparable assignments.  Use your best move to try to beat the OT to the outside.  Push back the line.  Knock his arms down and cut between him and the guard.  Apples to apples, oranges to oranges, who's best at their job?

 

There was plenty of sloppy tackling on display.  A lot of that falls on the players.  They also did not look like they were in position to make tackles on many of the runs.  If that happens in the regular season I will be very concerned.  In pre-season games linebackers get a lot of evaluation done on their ability to cover passes, as that's the most difficult part of the job for most linebackers.  That's the main reason DBs are getting LB jobs in the new millennium CFL.

[DR. CFL]

And DBs getting to many LB jobs gets the ball run down your throat.

[iso_55]

 

I'm willing to give him a chance but I do wonder if Etch's defensive scheme can deal with current offensive trends in the CFL.  Argos will dink and dunk underneath effectively moving the ball down the field and Hamilton may decide to go that way now that they have Collaros.  Teams like Calgary, BC and perhaps Sask. will take what's given and should be able to run at will against his kind of defense.  Effectively pass protecting for the long ball doesn't prevent other teams from finding ways to win games.

 

Still bothers me that in that pre-season interview Etch thinks of himself as a misunderstood genius that's ahead of the curve.  Primary role of the defense should be  to adjust to what the offense is trying to accomplish and stop it.  The Bombers seem to have no ability to stop the run and i.m.o. Cornish would have easily ripped off a 200+ game if he was allowed to continue. 

And the primary role of pre-season is to evaluate all the players and decide who will remain on the final roster.  The easiest way to do this is to give them all comparable assignments.  Use your best move to try to beat the OT to the outside.  Push back the line.  Knock his arms down and cut between him and the guard.  Apples to apples, oranges to oranges, who's best at their job?

 

There was plenty of sloppy tackling on display.  A lot of that falls on the players.  They also did not look like they were in position to make tackles on many of the runs.  If that happens in the regular season I will be very concerned.  In pre-season games linebackers get a lot of evaluation done on their ability to cover passes, as that's the most difficult part of the job for most linebackers.  That's the main reason DBs are getting LB jobs in the new millennium CFL.

 

With one padded practice every 2 weeks expect a lot of crappy tackling & guys getting hurt because they aren't used to the contact. 

[gbill2004]

Pretty sure it's one padded practice per week.

[iso_55]

Pretty sure it's one padded practice per week.

Not much of a difference. Greg Peterson, the former all star safety of the Stamps was talking about padded practices once. He played with Calgary from 1981 to 92. He was saying in his day they were in pads nearly every practice & they did hitting & tackling drills nearly everyday to work on fundamentals. That isn't done anymore. So, the players get rusty & sloppy. That is when the injuries happen. Could this new rule have unintended consequences?

[JuranBoldenRules]

 

Pretty sure it's one padded practice per week.

Not much of a difference. Greg Peterson, the former all star safety of the Stamps was talking about padded practices once. He played with Calgary from 1981 to 92. He was saying in his day they were in pads nearly every practice & they did hitting & tackling drills nearly everyday to work on fundamentals. That isn't done anymore. So, the players get rusty & sloppy. That is when the injuries happen. Could this new rule have unintended consequences?

 

 

Even in padded practices they hardly have any full contract drills aside from the linemen.  That's been going on for years, back to Don Matthews.

[Floyd]

Well look at that... Etch's D performed better than Steinauers' star-studded crew...

[Goalie]

Well look at that... Etch's D performed better than Steinauers' star-studded crew...

Hamilton got ripped apart tonight. They did not look good, 9 sacks given up. UGLY. Odd, according to TSN the game was sold out but on twitter about 15 minutes before the game started one of the reporters stated that there were lots of seats still available. Sold out ? or Not?

[Goalie]

 

Well look at that... Etch's D performed better than Steinauers' star-studded crew...

 

delete- repeat.

[Atomic]

9 sacks wow. NINE.

[gbill2004]

9 sacks wow. NINE.

And we were concerned with 3. Collaros is going to be running for his life this season.

The Ticats in a way remind me of the Philadelphia Eagles a few years ago, when Vince Young referred to them as the 'Dream Team'. They ended up sucking that year. Could be that type of season for the Ticats.

[bearpants]

 

Well look at that... Etch's D performed better than Steinauers' star-studded crew...

Hamilton got ripped apart tonight. They did not look good, 9 sacks given up. UGLY. Odd, according to TSN the game was sold out but on twitter about 15 minutes before the game started one of the reporters stated that there were lots of seats still available. Sold out ? or Not?

 

 

They were playing at varsity stadium which holds about 5,000 people.... apparently they sold out but it's not much to brag about

[mbrg]

 

9 sacks wow. NINE.

And we were concerned with 3. Collaros is going to be running for his life this season.

The Ticats in a way remind me of the Philadelphia Eagles a few years ago, when Vince Young referred to them as the 'Dream Team'. They ended up sucking that year. Could be that type of season for the Ticats.

 

I still never put too much stock in pre-season.  Coaches are still playing guys who will be working at Jiffy Lube next week, moving players out of their natural spots and trying them elsewhere.  QBs eating balls because receivers went the wrong way.  Pre-season always has a lot of ugly to it.

 

Really the way our offence performed was remarkable.  I can't recall any pre-season where we made that few mistakes.  And the football was actually entertaining to watch.  That's pretty rare for pre-season.

 

Not saying 9 sacks isn't a lot.  Ticats might have a big concern on their hands.