Update on arson at old stadium

[Chaosmonkey]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/teen-spared-jail-for-huge-fire-at-stadium-264522991.html

 

 

[iso_55]

Sure, let the  kid off. Why am I not surprised?

[Atomic]

Oh who didn't like some fires when they were a kid. Boys will be boys.

[iso_55]

Oh who didn't like some fires when they were a kid. Boys will be boys.

I hope you're kidding. They gave all the reasons not to punish the kid but I didn't see one reason why they shouldn't. I'm a strong believer in kids needing to be accountable for their actions. Indeed, adults, all of us. 

[AtlanticRiderFan]

Oh who didn't like some fires when they were a kid. Boys will be boys.

 

So setting fire to a public place is OK? Smh.

[Mr Dee]

Atomic just lit a fire under your asses.

 

Boys will be boys.

[Blueandgold]

Is he a threat to society or to re-offend? If the answer is no he shouldn't do any time.

[road griller]

Someone should have burned that dump down years ago.

I wish the new stadium was closer to my house.

[JuranBoldenRules]

I'm fine with the punishment, 240 hours of community service plus 2 years probation.  On that individual it might be a little lenient, but the last thing we need is an easily influenced kid tossed in jail for a few months when he's not really a threat to society.  Rest assured he'd make some new "friends" in the joint, probably start a new "career" and be an actual threat when he's put back on the streets.

[Mark H.]

I'm fine with the punishment, 240 hours of community service plus 2 years probation.  On that individual it might be a little lenient, but the last thing we need is an easily influenced kid tossed in jail for a few months when he's not really a threat to society.  Rest assured he'd make some new "friends" in the joint, probably start a new "career" and be an actual threat when he's put back on the streets.

 

Completely agree, we need to keep these kids out of jail if we can. Canada has one of the highest youth incarceration rates in the world - it's not working.

[KptKrunch]

Yeah, after reading the story, since the kid didn't have a record and since he probably didn't anticipate the type of fire it would become, no jail time. Don't forget though, even though he was a 'youth', he has a record. He does something like this again, he will do the time. I have a feeling about this one though, I think , in this case, the right decision was made and he'll turn out to be contributing citizen to society. 

[Tracker]

 

I'm fine with the punishment, 240 hours of community service plus 2 years probation.  On that individual it might be a little lenient, but the last thing we need is an easily influenced kid tossed in jail for a few months when he's not really a threat to society.  Rest assured he'd make some new "friends" in the joint, probably start a new "career" and be an actual threat when he's put back on the streets.

 

Completely agree, we need to keep these kids out of jail if we can. Canada has one of the highest youth incarceration rates in the world - it's not working.

 

And there is a direct correlation between the length of time an offender spends in custody and the likelihood of re-offending. The Dutch model is much more effective.

[Mr Dee]

 

 

I'm fine with the punishment, 240 hours of community service plus 2 years probation.  On that individual it might be a little lenient, but the last thing we need is an easily influenced kid tossed in jail for a few months when he's not really a threat to society.  Rest assured he'd make some new "friends" in the joint, probably start a new "career" and be an actual threat when he's put back on the streets.

 

Completely agree, we need to keep these kids out of jail if we can. Canada has one of the highest youth incarceration rates in the world - it's not working.

 

And there is a direct correlation between the length of time an offender spends in custody and the likelihood of re-offending.

 

The Dutch model is much more effective.

 

And what would that be?

They all pay their own way?

[Chaosmonkey]

The dutch have a good, firm grasp on these things. Not too far one way or the other, just a nice steady hand on the rudder. 

[Tracker]

 

 

 

I'm fine with the punishment, 240 hours of community service plus 2 years probation.  On that individual it might be a little lenient, but the last thing we need is an easily influenced kid tossed in jail for a few months when he's not really a threat to society.  Rest assured he'd make some new "friends" in the joint, probably start a new "career" and be an actual threat when he's put back on the streets.

 

Completely agree, we need to keep these kids out of jail if we can. Canada has one of the highest youth incarceration rates in the world - it's not working.

 

And there is a direct correlation between the length of time an offender spends in custody and the likelihood of re-offending.

 

The Dutch model is much more effective.

 

And what would that be?

They all pay their own way?

 

Touche. All non-violent offenders are required to live with families trained in rehabilitative strategies. The offenders participate in household life and duties, go to work but live on an allowance and attend group therapy. The Norweigans and Danes have copied the strategy with success. Here in North America, the recidivism is close to 80%, whereas in Holland it is close to 20%. The cost savings to the justice system is enormous.

[iso_55]

Is he a threat to society or to re-offend? If the answer is no he shouldn't do any time.

Well, we don't know that. But just because it was a shed doesn't make it any less of a crime. 

[iso_55]

 

 

 

 

I'm fine with the punishment, 240 hours of community service plus 2 years probation.  On that individual it might be a little lenient, but the last thing we need is an easily influenced kid tossed in jail for a few months when he's not really a threat to society.  Rest assured he'd make some new "friends" in the joint, probably start a new "career" and be an actual threat when he's put back on the streets.

 

Completely agree, we need to keep these kids out of jail if we can. Canada has one of the highest youth incarceration rates in the world - it's not working.

 

And there is a direct correlation between the length of time an offender spends in custody and the likelihood of re-offending.

 

The Dutch model is much more effective.

 

And what would that be?

They all pay their own way?

 

Touche. All non-violent offenders are required to live with families trained in rehabilitative strategies. The offenders participate in household life and duties, go to work but live on an allowance and attend group therapy. The Norweigans and Danes have copied the strategy with success. Here in North America, the recidivism is close to 80%, whereas in Holland it is close to 20%. The cost savings to the justice system is enormous.

 

I'd love to do a side by side comparison to Canada if the stats are there.

[iso_55]

Why don't we keep all criminals out of jail? It isn't working. 

[Mr Dee]

 

 

 

 

I'm fine with the punishment, 240 hours of community service plus 2 years probation.  On that individual it might be a little lenient, but the last thing we need is an easily influenced kid tossed in jail for a few months when he's not really a threat to society.  Rest assured he'd make some new "friends" in the joint, probably start a new "career" and be an actual threat when he's put back on the streets.

 

Completely agree, we need to keep these kids out of jail if we can. Canada has one of the highest youth incarceration rates in the world - it's not working.

 

And there is a direct correlation between the length of time an offender spends in custody and the likelihood of re-offending.

 

The Dutch model is much more effective.

 

And what would that be?

They all pay their own way?

 

Touche. All non-violent offenders are required to live with families trained in rehabilitative strategies. The offenders participate in household life and duties, go to work but live on an allowance and attend group therapy. The Norweigans and Danes have copied the strategy with success. Here in North America, the recidivism is close to 80%, whereas in Holland it is close to 20%. The cost savings to the justice system is enormous.

 

It doesn't surprise me in the least.

Europe is still so far ahead of National and Internationals in a lot of regards, including Health care.

Maybe when we build bigger ships that can travel the seas faster, we'll be able to get more information out here to the colonies and we'll be much better off for it.

 

[iso_55]

We had a 15 year old kid arrested in Calgary this week. He committed a couple of robberies earlier then with a group of other teens had a knife & in a shopping mall targeted an innocent 45 year old man randomly, went up to him & stabbed  him to death. Probably on a dare. What do you guys think should be done with him? He was arrested & the Crown wants a second degree murder charge tried in adult court so he can get life with no chance of parole for 15 years instead of a sentence of just 7 years. 

[Tracker]

We had a 15 year old kid arrested in Calgary this week. He committed a couple of robberies earlier then with a group of other teens had a knife & in a shopping mall targeted an innocent 45 year old man randomly, went up to him & stabbed  him to death. Probably on a dare. What do you guys think should be done with him? He was arrested & the Crown wants a second degree murder charge tried in adult court so he can get life with no chance of parole for 15 years instead of a sentence of just 7 years. 

You may want to check and see what the Norwegians did with right-wing neo-Nazi Anders Brevik. There are those who are criminally insane and need to be kept in closed custody for the safety of all, but there are very, very few of them. Thank God for that.

[Atomic]

We had a 15 year old kid arrested in Calgary this week. He committed a couple of robberies earlier then with a group of other teens had a knife & in a shopping mall targeted an innocent 45 year old man randomly, went up to him & stabbed  him to death. Probably on a dare. What do you guys think should be done with him? He was arrested & the Crown wants a second degree murder charge tried in adult court so he can get life with no chance of parole for 15 years instead of a sentence of just 7 years.

Big difference between lighting a fire and having it spread out of control versus stabbing an innocent man to death. Jail is obviously appropriate in that case.

[iso_55]

 

We had a 15 year old kid arrested in Calgary this week. He committed a couple of robberies earlier then with a group of other teens had a knife & in a shopping mall targeted an innocent 45 year old man randomly, went up to him & stabbed  him to death. Probably on a dare. What do you guys think should be done with him? He was arrested & the Crown wants a second degree murder charge tried in adult court so he can get life with no chance of parole for 15 years instead of a sentence of just 7 years.

Big difference between lighting a fire and having it spread out of control versus stabbing an innocent man to death. Jail is obviously appropriate in that case.

 

What if that kid who set fire used bad judgement & set a building on fire resulting in loss of life? The 15 year od who stabbed that poor guy. It could have been any of us. Or a loved one. Guy went shopping on a Friday night & never came home. Think about that. 

[Atomic]

We had a 15 year old kid arrested in Calgary this week. He committed a couple of robberies earlier then with a group of other teens had a knife & in a shopping mall targeted an innocent 45 year old man randomly, went up to him & stabbed him to death. Probably on a dare. What do you guys think should be done with him? He was arrested & the Crown wants a second degree murder charge tried in adult court so he can get life with no chance of parole for 15 years instead of a sentence of just 7 years.

Big difference between lighting a fire and having it spread out of control versus stabbing an innocent man to death. Jail is obviously appropriate in that case.

What if that kid who set fire used bad judgement & set a building on fire resulting in loss of life? The 15 year od who stabbed that poor guy. It could have been any of us. Or a loved one. Guy went shopping on a Friday night & never came home. Think about that.

1. Yes he used bad judgement, but there was no loss of life, so you can't punish him for that. Do you punish everyone who drives above the speed limit as if they are a murderer?? That could result in loss of life as well.

2. What does the 15 year old who stabbed a guy have to do with any of this??? Yes he deserves jail. Should I say it a third time?

[iso_55]

Just telling what happened here in Calgary & how shocking it was. Down boy.