Should We Load 8 Or 9 In The Box To Stuff Messam?

[mfranc]

We...gave up 16 points on defence.

Yup, but 196 yards rushing against the Bomber defence severely hindered what the offence could do.

[Floyd]

Etch has long maintained that CFL teams won't beat you with the run because they simply don't have the patience to stick with it for four quarters.

 

Calgary and Sask sure seem like they stick with the run for four quarters...  watch BC combo Logan, Harris and Brown against us next week - another test of Etch's 'flexibility'

[mfranc]

 

Etch has long maintained that CFL teams won't beat you with the run because they simply don't have the patience to stick with it for four quarters.

 

Calgary and Sask sure seem like they stick with the run for four quarters...  watch BC combo Logan, Harris and Brown against us next week - another test of Etch's 'flexibility'

 

BC doesn't have a quality o-line so they can't run it as consistently.

[17to85]

 

 

Etch has long maintained that CFL teams won't beat you with the run because they simply don't have the patience to stick with it for four quarters.

 

Calgary and Sask sure seem like they stick with the run for four quarters...  watch BC combo Logan, Harris and Brown against us next week - another test of Etch's 'flexibility'

 

BC doesn't have a quality o-line so they can't run it as consistently.

 

PLus last time we played them the Bombers shut down Harris just fine. 

[road griller]

Funny really did not matter. The game was handed away on many different levels. Simply exposed.

[Fatty Liver]

 

 

 

 

even with the right people Etchevarys D would still be weak to the run. The CFL field is too big to take everything away, there are always gaps for a team that can give their qb time. Etch just tries to take away one and gamble that teams can't run consistently enough to beat you.

Well not according to O'Shea, not if they execute and cancel their gaps, their defence should be no more vulnerable than anyone else's, so that only leaves personnel not doing their jobs.

 

 

Doug Brown would disagree with you on this point.  On the post-game show he was quite explicit in pointing out that the players did not stand a chance of stopping the run due to Etch's unbalanced positioning.  Prior to the snap the RB just has to look to see which side of the line is loaded and go the other way.  Later this season the number of losses attributed to this defect will be tallied and pinned to Etch's behind.  Is it 2 and counting, or 3 and counting???

 

 

Again, we knew exactly what we were getting with Etch... starts strong, teams figure him out and he re-invents his D late in the season.  We've been figured out.

 

 

I remember reading an endless discussion about this on the Riders forum just after the Bombers hired Etch.  Speculation ranged from a players revolt over schemes to Etch being reduced to the role of assistant DC. for the playoff games.  Riders did well in both seasons he was their DC so it's hard to say if he makes adjustments himself or if he is always reigned in.  It'd be nice if he showed a little wisdom in learning from past mistakes but there doesn't seem to be much evidence of that.  Banjo Bowl is going to expose him to increased wrath if the D. is exploited in the same method especially if the Bombers lose.

 

 

Looks like Etch failed another exam.  Time for O'Shea to provide some special tutoring.

[SmokinBlue]

He needs to stop being a bad coach and stop blaming his players, start changing his schemes to suit the team he's playing. If the team he's playing sucks at passing and can't do anything but run, it makes sense to adjust your scheme to be a run stopping scheme for the game. Hate coaches that are too pig headed to do what's needed to win if it means changing their scheme.

[SPuDS]

The yards on the ground did not win the rudders this game... How is this point not understood? Special teams and brutal, horrendous officiating cost us much more in the last 2 games..

Let em run for 200 yards... Their offence scored one TD... One.

[TBURGESS]

The offense only needed to score 1 TD to win.  Why does that seem to be so hard for some folks to grasp?  

[James]

I hate having a defence that can't stop the bloody run. If you can shut down the pass, fantastic! But shut down the run to and we win that game. Guaranteed!

[mfranc]

The offense only needed to score 1 TD to win.  Why does that seem to be so hard for some folks to grasp?  

Exactly.  Everybody assumes that one event doesn't influence another.  Teams play differently with leads. 

[17to85]

 

The offense only needed to score 1 TD to win.  Why does that seem to be so hard for some folks to grasp?  

Exactly.  Everybody assumes that one event doesn't influence another.  Teams play differently with leads. 

 

yeah but it wasn't the riders offense that got them the lead. And when push came to shove and they needed a first down to run the clock down they couldn't get it despite having two opportunities. They also had a turn over on downs earlier in the game. The Riders offense was the least factor in that game being decided the way it was. Bombers won 2 phases of the game but got their asses handed to them in the third.