Paris Cotton moved to practice roster

[17to85]

It's funny how some fans completely disregarded goalie's post about Andrew Harris' stat line, who we'd all agree is a good running back, and keep on grigsby.

Grigsby's one back going all game, with DC's focusing in on the tendencies of himself, the o-line and our OC, and playing behind a fairly weak o-line. The guy has ups and downs, like everyone except Cornish lol, but he is doing something with little to work with. Of course his better games coincide with better o-line work basically.

It's never been about rushing totals though, it's been about how he has ran the ball. Why do people never want to read the actual arguments people are making? 

[sweep the leg]

The first game or two he wasn't tentative, then for some reason he started playing like a wuss, now because we have all called him out he is stepping his game up again.

Agreed. Our complaining is what raised his game.

[mbrg]

The coaching staff does not need to know for certain that Grigsby is the guy to decide that Cotton isn't the guy.  They are not congenital twins.  In June Cotton appeared to be the most dynamic player on our roster.  If he's done nothing with his opportunities since then, that's on him.

 

And opportunities happen every time you step on the practise field or into a meeting room, not just in games.

[17to85]

 

The first game or two he wasn't tentative, then for some reason he started playing like a wuss, now because we have all called him out he is stepping his game up again.

Agreed. Our complaining is what raised his game.

 

and by our complaining you of course mean that his game picked up shortly after Mike O'Shea said in a half time interview that the team was playing too soft right? Methinks MOS told him to grow a set and run like a man and he listened. 

[Mike]

 

The first game or two he wasn't tentative, then for some reason he started playing like a wuss, now because we have all called him out he is stepping his game up again.

Agreed. Our complaining is what raised his game.

 

 

He actually came over to my house with some freshly baked muffins and apologized to me for not playing the way I wanted him to.

 

What did he bring you?

[sweep the leg]

 

 

The first game or two he wasn't tentative, then for some reason he started playing like a wuss, now because we have all called him out he is stepping his game up again.

Agreed. Our complaining is what raised his game.

 

and by our complaining you of course mean that his game picked up shortly after Mike O'Shea said in a half time interview that the team was playing too soft right? Methinks MOS told him to grow a set and run like a man and he listened. 

 

I thought my sarcasm was obvious.

[sweep the leg]

 

 

The first game or two he wasn't tentative, then for some reason he started playing like a wuss, now because we have all called him out he is stepping his game up again.

Agreed. Our complaining is what raised his game.

 

 

He actually came over to my house with some freshly baked muffins and apologized to me for not playing the way I wanted him to.

 

What did he bring you?

 

Back rub. With strong hands like that it's no wonder he doesn't fumble.

[robynjt]

I will admit, seeing him hesitate and get tackled over and over again at the LOS was frustrating, but he seems to have really improved; and when he DOES get a hole (not often) he sees the field quite well and is very fast.  He has a couple of plays a game where you nod and say "oh, ok, you're ok in my books."  But JBR is right, he doesn't seem to dig in and drag some guys 4 yards after initial contact. 

 

... Grigsby in Calgary's offence would be incredible.  That oline.. .dang. 

 

Cotton -could- do well with more consistent play, but he is not light years ahead of Grigsby from what he has shown.  Putting him on the PR is not the end of the world - for the Bombers or Cotton.

[HardCoreBlue]

I will admit, seeing him hesitate and get tackled over and over again at the LOS was frustrating, but he seems to have really improved; and when he DOES get a hole (not often) he sees the field quite well and is very fast.  He has a couple of plays a game where you nod and say "oh, ok, you're ok in my books."  But JBR is right, he doesn't seem to dig in and drag some guys 4 yards after initial contact. 

 

... Grigsby in Calgary's offence would be incredible.  That oline.. .dang. 

 

Cotton -could- do well with more consistent play, but he is not light years ahead of Grigsby from what he has shown.  Putting him on the PR is not the end of the world - for the Bombers or Cotton.

Actually my hunch, and a hunch it is, he's released in the near future to make room for another RB. As I've said before, one of the most cruel positions to have in the CFL.

[bearpants]

 

 

The first game or two he wasn't tentative, then for some reason he started playing like a wuss, now because we have all called him out he is stepping his game up again.

Agreed. Our complaining is what raised his game.

 

 

He actually came over to my house with some freshly baked muffins and apologized to me for not playing the way I wanted him to.

 

What did he bring you?

 

 

Aw you got muffins!?! I just got a card in the mail with an autographed head shot...

[SmokinBlue]

 

 

The first game or two he wasn't tentative, then for some reason he started playing like a wuss, now because we have all called him out he is stepping his game up again.

Agreed. Our complaining is what raised his game.

 

 

He actually came over to my house with some freshly baked muffins and apologized to me for not playing the way I wanted him to.

 

What did he bring you?

 

Girl Guide Cookies

[mbrg]

 

 

The first game or two he wasn't tentative, then for some reason he started playing like a wuss, now because we have all called him out he is stepping his game up again.

Agreed. Our complaining is what raised his game.

 

 

He actually came over to my house with some freshly baked muffins and apologized to me for not playing the way I wanted him to.

 

What did he bring you?

 

 

He said he had something for me, but when he reached inside his jacket pocket, all he pulled out was his middle finger.  Then he yelled "NOT", ran down the alley and awkwardly got into the backseat of a 2 door '86 Ford Escort.  Mike Myers and Dana Carvey were in the front.

 

Peyote.  Still works.

[holoman]

 

 

The first game or two he wasn't tentative, then for some reason he started playing like a wuss, now because we have all called him out he is stepping his game up again.

Agreed. Our complaining is what raised his game.

 

 

He actually came over to my house with some freshly baked muffins and apologized to me for not playing the way I wanted him to.

 

What did he bring you?

 

Pictures of Joe Mack and a donkey.  Go figure.

[robynjt]

The first game or two he wasn't tentative, then for some reason he started playing like a wuss, now because we have all called him out he is stepping his game up again.

 

See, I thought the first games he looked great - because teams hadn't caught onto the fact he would stutter step (sometimes backwards).  As soon as they "figured" that out, as soon as he'd hesitate/cut, he'd get tackled.  He's improved quite a bit in the last few games, imo. 

[Mr Dee]

 

 

 

The first game or two he wasn't tentative, then for some reason he started playing like a wuss, now because we have all called him out he is stepping his game up again.

Agreed. Our complaining is what raised his game.

 

and by our complaining you of course mean that his game picked up shortly after Mike O'Shea said in a half time interview that the team was playing too soft right? Methinks MOS told him to grow a set and run like a man and he listened. 

 

I thought my sarcasm was obvious.

 

 

Hmm, it was to me, but then again, I had just gone in for my annual carsasm checkup. (next week I go in for a dyslexia over go)

[rebusrankin]

I got nothing from Grisby. However after the Banjo Bowl, I ran into Dom Picard and he grabbed me and held onto my arm for a long time.

[mfranc]

I got nothing from Grisby. However after the Banjo Bowl, I ran into Dom Picard and he grabbed me and held onto my arm for a long time.

Some of you should seek out therapy. Riders are an obsession for a lot of you.

[KptKrunch]

One thing that's really funny about football - most people expect instant results. How about Jacob Trouba? He struggled to start the year, but look at how he finished (Jets best dman). Grigsby had a great first game but remember, he played a depleted TO team AND really the first game of the year is just another pre-season game - it's just a pre-season for the starters. He has been getting progressively better. If this was hockey no one would be saying anything, but in football, especially here, you put out right away and every week or you're a bum.

 

I'd be so much more concerned if he wasn't showing improvement. As many have said on this thread, his blocking is getting better, his running is getting better, and this is the first year of his life he's ever played CFL football which is vastly different from the football he grew up playing (people forget that little tidbit too).

 

I'm glad their building with a back like that. Cotton - someone mentioned durability - great point. He couldn't make it past preseason without getting banged up - I think he's too small to be an every day back (Chuck Bob was small too but he was a tough as nails - Cotton has shown he's not as tough, or at the very least not as smart). 

[JuranBoldenRules]

One thing that's really funny about football - most people expect instant results. How about Jacob Trouba? He struggled to start the year, but look at how he finished (Jets best dman). Grigsby had a great first game but remember, he played a depleted TO team AND really the first game of the year is just another pre-season game - it's just a pre-season for the starters. He has been getting progressively better. If this was hockey no one would be saying anything, but in football, especially here, you put out right away and every week or you're a bum.

 

I'd be so much more concerned if he wasn't showing improvement. As many have said on this thread, his blocking is getting better, his running is getting better, and this is the first year of his life he's ever played CFL football which is vastly different from the football he grew up playing (people forget that little tidbit too).

 

I'm glad their building with a back like that. Cotton - someone mentioned durability - great point. He couldn't make it past preseason without getting banged up - I think he's too small to be an every day back (Chuck Bob was small too but he was a tough as nails - Cotton has shown he's not as tough, or at the very least not as smart). 

 

That's because it isn't a valid comparison.  Trouba is probably going to play 15 years in the NHL at least assuming he avoids serious injury.  You can invest time into developing a player like that in hockey.  When the average CFL/NFL player has a career of around 3 seasons, you can't invest a lot of time in developing players.  This is especially true for imports, but also non-imports.  If guys can't play well and contribute right away, why bother?  We should call this the Etienne Principle.  

 

By the middle of next season, we might forget who Nic Grigsby is, especially as a running back.  When there are 500 guys unemployed and just as good as you looking for work in football, you do need to produce consistently to keep a job.

[KptKrunch]

 

One thing that's really funny about football - most people expect instant results. How about Jacob Trouba? He struggled to start the year, but look at how he finished (Jets best dman). Grigsby had a great first game but remember, he played a depleted TO team AND really the first game of the year is just another pre-season game - it's just a pre-season for the starters. He has been getting progressively better. If this was hockey no one would be saying anything, but in football, especially here, you put out right away and every week or you're a bum.

 

I'd be so much more concerned if he wasn't showing improvement. As many have said on this thread, his blocking is getting better, his running is getting better, and this is the first year of his life he's ever played CFL football which is vastly different from the football he grew up playing (people forget that little tidbit too).

 

I'm glad their building with a back like that. Cotton - someone mentioned durability - great point. He couldn't make it past preseason without getting banged up - I think he's too small to be an every day back (Chuck Bob was small too but he was a tough as nails - Cotton has shown he's not as tough, or at the very least not as smart). 

 

That's because it isn't a valid comparison.  Trouba is probably going to play 15 years in the NHL at least assuming he avoids serious injury.  You can invest time into developing a player like that in hockey.  When the average CFL/NFL player has a career of around 3 seasons, you can't invest a lot of time in developing players.  This is especially true for imports, but also non-imports.  If guys can't play well and contribute right away, why bother?  We should call this the Etienne Principle.  

 

By the middle of next season, we might forget who Nic Grigsby is, especially as a running back.  When there are 500 guys unemployed and just as good as you looking for work in football, you do need to produce consistently to keep a job.

 

 

Oh I get that don't worry. My point however, still stands. People in football want results instantly. Sometimes we get them because the 'rookie' in question is actually 24 or 25 years old and has been playing pro for a few years. In Trouba's case, it will take him at least another 5 years to realize his full potential (and I think he'll be one heck of a dman). I also think, that this time next year, Grigsby will be one heck of a CFL running back. Yes, his career will be shorter, but his development will be a lot faster that Trouba's and it already is. He has been improving every game. In football, like hockey, there are so many things that are being done 'away' from the play that the casual fan doesn't even pick up on, but the coaches do. My guess - Cotton isn't 'picking' those things up, hence the PR placement. Nick is. I'm a fan of his now. 

[basslicker]

 

I find it rather amusing that so many people were saying last season and earlier this season that Ford wasn't any good and the only reason he was named an Eastern All-Star was because other RBs had been injured. And now it's Grigsby's that isn't good and is only leading the rushing stats because of injuries.

 

One word.......Winnipeg

[BomberBall]

 

I got nothing from Grisby. However after the Banjo Bowl, I ran into Dom Picard and he grabbed me and held onto my arm for a long time.

Some of you should seek out therapy. Riders are an obsession for a lot of you.

 

There's people on here obsessed with the Riders?  You realize you're a rider fan with over 500 posts on a Bomber board, right?