Game 19 Jets @ Wild

[Goalie]

The fancy stats, so like Corsi and Fenwick and stuff like that. Those are interesting but i always find the eye test to be the best. Those fancy stats tell you that some games the guys you thought sucked really bad actually had good corsi and fenwick numbers. I'm not in to the fancy stats like some are, i just watch the game and really, stats can tell you a few things but what it doesn't really tell you is starting this guy over that guy would make you win.

 

I don't really buy in to the fancy stats stuff, i think that's just what they are. stats. Stats can prove a lot of things but  they can also deceive you considerably.

 

Let's use football as an example, Nic Grigsby had some damn good stats for the bombers but watching the games, you knew he wasn't as good as his stats showed he was. 

 

As for the whole back to back goalie situation, well, every team does it a few times a season, that's for sure. 

 

Honestly, sitting here not knowing exactly what the thought process was behind playing PAVS back to back, i can't say but i can say that i really don't think he was the issue that game at all.

 

The powerplay goal like Maurice said would have beaten most goalies in the league, gotta give props sometimes to the opposing team for making a nice play.

 

The other 2, Like maurice said, would have beaten every goalie in the league.

 

Reality is, we start hutch and the likely scenario sees us losing 4-3 in OT anyway. 

[BomberFan]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm so impressed with the never quit attitude of this team. Awesome effort. Kudos again to Maurice for getting these guys in the right frame of mind.

Not at all. Team was awful. Stupid coaching decision to go with Pavs in back to back. I'm nkt even saying it was his fault but that first goal he was out of position. And he looked rattled after the wheeler deflection.

Guys like Kane took control of this game. No points for Maurice on this one.

Do you actually watch any games? First goal could have beat anyone. Last 2 would have beat everyone. But you're right, Maurice has done nothing to elevate this teams compete level from last year.

You mad bro? Lol. Where did I say Maurice had not elevated the team. In another thread I said just that. If you want to debate at least stock to facts.

One of pavs issues over be years has been taking himself out of position. So yes that first goal would have beat anyone if everyone else also bit on the fake and took themselves out of position. Had he stayed in his net and stayed in position he limits the shooters chances.

 

Mad? No. Annoyed by your BS? Yes. Read what you wrote "team was awful, coach is an idiot."  Next time I'll mark the sarcasm for you.  Now go look at the goal again and point out where Pavs was out of position. He faced the puck carrier and tracked the pass to the right  sliding into position.  He got out-waited and beat by a slick play. It wasn't a bad goal or a positional error. Go look at the Leafs Preds game for some bad goal examples. And if you're not saying it was Pavs fault, why the hell are you bringing it up?

 

BS? lol  Okay.  Sorry but you dont get to be right just because you yell the loudest.  The player took Pavs out of position.  Out of position would be laying there on the ice, away from the net where the player was able to simply toss it in for a goal.  Had he remained up right, tight to the post, he takes away any opportunity for the player.  There were two defenders there (that I recall) so the player's deke options were limited.  He scored because he had a wide open net to shoot at.  Look, I love the Jets too but dont let your homer mentality over-look the errors.

 

Also, show me where I said Maurice was an idiot?  Never said it.  Here's some free advice: if you want to debate, especially if you want to win that debate, dont just make things up.  You automatically lose that way.  I said it was a stupid coaching decision to start Pavs.  Perhaps "stupid" was too strong a word.  it was a coaching "error" to start Pavs.  Not because he sucks but for two reasons: 1) Pavs' stats on back to back starts, 2) league-wide goalie stats on back to back nights.  Maurice admitted his plan was to start Hutch the next game anyway.  Why not reverse those two starts and play the statistical odds?  I get why he did and to be honest, I was on the fence about it.  I think it was this thread where, prior to the game, I said play the odds, start Hutch, even though my "heart" was in on the idea of letting Pavs stare down one of his demons.

 

You could also criticise the coach on the faceoff that lead to the winning goal as he didnt have a centre on the ice for a defensive zone faceoff.  I actually didnt see OT as my PVR cut out, but I know the guys on 1290 were talking about as a coaching error.  Kane & Wheeler have both taken and won faceoffs this year, but again, in that situation probably best to go with the high percentage rather than your gut.

 

Having said all that, I understand your position.  Im a huge Pavs fan.  Ive taken heat everywhere for defending him and saying how stupid it would have been to buy him out last season.  But he's not infallable. 

 

I'm not going to get into a battle of semantics with you, but by calling Maurice stupid, you implied he was an idiot.I just paraphrased what I perceived your meaning  to be.  And you're right maybe stupid was a bad choice of words. So I'll just leave that one alone. I agree the face-off wasn't the best choice Maurice said as much afterwards.  I still think you should watch the goal again, he looked fine positionally from before the puck was passed to a wide open winger at the side of the net. That may have had more to do with the goal than the slick deke to put it in. I don't think Pavs is infallible, AAMOF I'd have been the first one calling for his head if he'd shown up in the same condition as last year and had been playing as badly. I hope he continues to improve his play, he can be lights out when he's on and we do need good goaltending given the dearth of scoring we're experiencing right now. 

 

[Goalie]

The fact is, this team is having a hard time scoring 2 goals a game and are what? 8-3-3 in their last 14 games? 

 

Goalies gonna let in bad goals every now and then, even HUTCH let in a bad one VS NJ... but the fact that we have a hard time scoring 2 a game and have such a solid record over the past 14 or so games, Well, i think honestly, if not for PAV really in 90 percent of those games in the last 14, we don't win any so i mean if he lets in a weak one every now and then, I'm willing to cut him some slack, considering if not for him really, we wouldn't be where we are in the standings right now. 

 

People can blame the goalie all they want but reality is, if not for pav and his strong play, we'd be fighting buffalo for dead last in the league. 

[The Unknown Poster]

My judgement was about Maurice's decision not about Maurice. That's the difference between saying one decision was stupid and he is an idiot.

[The Unknown Poster]

The fancy stats, so like Corsi and Fenwick and stuff like that. Those are interesting but i always find the eye test to be the best. Those fancy stats tell you that some games the guys you thought sucked really bad actually had good corsi and fenwick numbers. I'm not in to the fancy stats like some are, i just watch the game and really, stats can tell you a few things but what it doesn't really tell you is starting this guy over that guy would make you win.

I don't really buy in to the fancy stats stuff, i think that's just what they are. stats. Stats can prove a lot of things but they can also deceive you considerably.

Let's use football as an example, Nic Grigsby had some damn good stats for the bombers but watching the games, you knew he wasn't as good as his stats showed he was.

As for the whole back to back goalie situation, well, every team does it a few times a season, that's for sure.

Honestly, sitting here not knowing exactly what the thought process was behind playing PAVS back to back, i can't say but i can say that i really don't think he was the issue that game at all.

The powerplay goal like Maurice said would have beaten most goalies in the league, gotta give props sometimes to the opposing team for making a nice play.

The other 2, Like maurice said, would have beaten every goalie in the league.

Reality is, we start hutch and the likely scenario sees us losing 4-3 in OT anyway.

I'm not sure I'd call the save percentage of goalies in back to back starts "fancy stats". I think they are pretty generic. But I get your point.