Michael Sam Possibly Playing for Als Next Season

[SPuDS]

hmm, that's kind of homophobic...

And this is why politically correctedness is out of control..

It really wasn't homophobic in anyway shape or form.. But if someone can misconstrue it to be homophobic then darn tootin' it will be labelled as such..

[Mark H.]

 

hmm, that's kind of homophobic...

And this is why politically correctedness is out of control..

It really wasn't homophobic in anyway shape or form.. But if someone can misconstrue it to be homophobic then darn tootin' it will be labelled as such..

 

 

Meh - I think it's heterophobic

[SPuDS]

hmm, that's kind of homophobic...

And this is why politically correctedness is out of control..

It really wasn't homophobic in anyway shape or form.. But if someone can misconstrue it to be homophobic then darn tootin' it will be labelled as such..

Meh - I think it's heterophobic

Did you just quote eminem? Lol.

[Rids]

The football problem for Michael Sam is that he wasn't even the best DL prospect on his own team let alone being the best defensive player in his conference (he shared the award with CJ Mosley). For Missouri he was 9th in total tackles. The number one tackler in the SEC last year had 111 total tackles (Michael Sam's career total).

 

 

 

Let's take some numbers:

 

Michael Sam career

Games - 52

Solo Tkl - 60

Total Tkl - 111

TFL - 32.5

Sack - 18.5

Passes Defended - 3

INTs - 2

Forced Fumbles - 5

QB Hurries - 15

 

2013 Season

Games - 14

Solo Tkl - 31

Total Tkl - 48

TFL - 19

Sack - 11.5

Passes Defended - 2

INTs - 0

Forced Fumbles - 2

QB Hurries - 5

 

Kony Ealy (LDE for Missouri) had similar career numbers in 13 fewer games. Jadeveon Clowney had better career numbers in 16 fewer games. 

 

Sam didn't look good at Senior Bowl and most of the draft coverage from quality sources load up the "Strengths" category with backhanded compliments. Things like "Considering his size, Sam is surprisingly effective in run defense." show up regularly. He's smaller than most DEs and too slow to be a LB that can cover running backs or slot receivers. So until a team feels comfortable playing him as a rush end on a 4-3 front, and hoping the 2013 Missouri version can repeat itself, he'll be sitting on the sideline.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1700418/michael-sam

 

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/red-zone/article337729/Senior-Bowl-losers-Transition-to-linebacker-tough-for-Missouris-Michael-Sam.html

[Mark H.]

Sounds like a CFL DE to me.

[mikey d]

Sounds like a CFL DE to me.

 

Yup. The guy's a football player. If he starts with the Als next season he'll post double-digit sacks...

[max power]

hmm, that's kind of homophobic...

And this is why politically correctedness is out of control..

It really wasn't homophobic in anyway shape or form.. But if someone can misconstrue it to be homophobic then darn tootin' it will be labelled as such..

It was supposed to be a joke. Unless I'm misunderstanding them, there are certain "pro-gay" posters who like to not-so-subtly just flat out call others ignorant and other insults. It was directed to them.

[basslicker]

 

 

Guys, please do not let this degenerate into pettiness .. this has been an otherwise interesting conversation and I'd hate to have to intervene in the ongoing discussion.

 

Sorry, got the better of me. 

 

FWIW, I feel this is as good a time as any to let you know I often read your SN without the 'b'

 

 

How original of you

[basslicker]

? No homophobic in the least.  Ironic...... maybe.

 

No, not ironic....idiotic maybe

[WBBFanWest]

 

 

hmm, that's kind of homophobic...

And this is why politically correctedness is out of control..

It really wasn't homophobic in anyway shape or form.. But if someone can misconstrue it to be homophobic then darn tootin' it will be labelled as such..

It was supposed to be a joke. Unless I'm misunderstanding them, there are certain "pro-gay" posters who like to not-so-subtly just flat out call others ignorant and other insults. It was directed to them.

 

Not really sure what "pro-gay" is except maybe it's bengay for elite athletes?  I'm "pro-people".

[Tracker]

December 5, 2014  | 

 

 

The U.S. Department of Justice issued a scathing report yesterday saying that there is “reasonable cause” to believe the Cleveland Police Department has consistently used excessive force against suspects as well as innocent victims of crimes, following the conclusion of a civil rights investigation that examined hundreds of cases.

The recent shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice by a cop with a known "dismal" history with firearms is just scratching the surface. According to the report, the Cleveland Police Department has recklessly and egregiously carried out its duties for years with very little accountability. Attorney General Eric Holder said yesterday that an independent monitor will oversee much-needed police reform in the city on the heels of the investigation that looked into nearly 600 use-of-force incidents between 2010 and 2013. Here are the six most egregious and shocking uses of excessive force from that report:

1. Officers punched a 13-year-old boy bloody while he was in handcuffs. A 300-pound Cleveland cop punched the handcuffed 13 year-old in the face three to four times while there was at least one other officer present who could have helped control him. The supervisor who reviewed the incident noted that the officer weighed three times as much as the boy, and acknowledged the boy was handcuffed and other officers were present, but found the use of force was “arguably the best response.”

The supervisor justified the face punches because the boy had earlier kicked the officer and attempted to escape the car. The supervisor didn’t consider that the punches might have been retaliatory and unnecessary to secure the boy. The supervisor said while “at first review” other tactics might have been considered, it would be inappropriate to review the incident in hindsight. The report said the supervisor's conclusion was an abdication of responsibility that allows unreasonable uses of force to continue unchecked.

2. Officers shot an unarmed kidnapping victim fleeing in his underwear. In an incident from 2013, a police sergeant shot at a victim as he ran from a house where he was being held against his will by armed assailants. When officers arrived, they had information that two armed assailants were holding several people hostage. After officers surrounded the house, a man escaped and ran from the house, wearing only boxer shorts and ran towards officers. When the man didn’t respond to an order to halt by one officer, another fired two shots at him, luckily missing both times.

According to the police sergeant who fired the weapon, he believed that the man had a weapon because he elevated his arm and pointed his hand toward the sergeant. No other officers at the scene reported seeing this, and again, the guy was in his underwear. The report concluded that the sergeant’s use of deadly force was unreasonable and it was only “by fortune that he did not kill the crime victim in this incident.”

3. Officers fired 137 shots at unarmed black couple, killing them. The report mentions a fatal 2012 police shooting after a high-speed car chase that involved 100 police officers. After an attempted traffic stop by a plainclothes officer, a Chevrolet Malibu with two occupants sped away from the scene. During the pursuit, some officers claimed they heard gunshots, which they believed were directed at them, coming from the car.  According to the report, it now appears that what they actually heard was the car backfiring.

By police accounts, at least 30 patrol cars became involved in the pursuit, which lasted for 25 minutes and reached speeds exceeding 100 mph. When the chase ended the police unloaded 137 rounds into the car, killing Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams. No weapons or shell casings were found in the car. The report said that this incident “inflamed community perceptions, particularly in the African-American community, that CDP is a department out of control and that its officers routinely engage in brutality.”

Recently, an Ohio judge awarded the families of Russell and Williams $3 million. Perversely, some of the officers involved who were disciplined are suing for reverse discrimination.

4. Officers tased a suicidal man who committed no crime. In response to a request for assistance a Cleveland Police officer tased a suicidal man who posed a minimal risk to officers and had committed no crime. Moreover, the man may not have understood the officers commands before he was tased.

The man’s mother called the police when her son, who suffers from bipolar disorder and communicates only through sign language, held a broken glass bottle to his neck. When officers arrived, the man retreated to the bathroom. The officers followed him there and wrote him notes telling him he had to go to the hospital. The man waved his hands, which the officers interpreted as refusal. The man began to pull away when an officer grabbed his arm, which prompted another officer to tase him in the chest. The report says that the officers should have attempted additional crisis intervention techniques instead of using force.

5. Officer accidentally shot unarmed man in neck. The report made a short note about an incident where an officer decided to draw his weapon while apprehending an unarmed hit-and-run suspect, accidentally shooting him in the neck, critically injuring him. The report said that this incident is just one in an observed pattern of Cleveland Police officers not carefully considering their actions in drawing their weapons and pointing them at suspects. The report says that while such actions may be necessary in some circumstances, it should be far from routine and “fundamentally change the tenor of a police-civilian encounter.”

6. Officers shot a man with his hands in the air.Cleveland Police spotted a man walking with an open container of beer. When the officers asked the man to stop, he initially refused and walked to a nearby porch and set his beer down. According to the police report, the man walked towards the the police car. One officer yelled “gun” after he claimed he saw a weapon in the man’s waistband. In response, the man raised his hands above his head and told the officers that he had a concealed handgun license. While one officer went behind him to handcuff him, the man lowered his hands to  “a bit” below ear level, prompting the other officer to shoot him in the abdomen. The officer who took the shot says that the man reached for his gun, but there are conflicting accounts from the other officer and eight civilian eyewitnesses to the event. Numerous witnesses reported the the man was cooperating with police and lowered his hands in response to an order that he place his hands behind his back.

[max power]

Eric Holder is as racist as anyone down there. I wouldn't trust anything that comes from him.

[comedygeek]

 

December 5, 2014  | 

 

 

The U.S. Department of Justice issued a scathing report yesterday saying that there is “reasonable cause” to believe the Cleveland Police Department has consistently used excessive force against suspects as well as innocent victims of crimes, following the conclusion of a civil rights investigation that examined hundreds of cases.

The recent shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice by a cop with a known "dismal" history with firearms is just scratching the surface. According to the report, the Cleveland Police Department has recklessly and egregiously carried out its duties for years with very little accountability. Attorney General Eric Holder said yesterday that an independent monitor will oversee much-needed police reform in the city on the heels of the investigation that looked into nearly 600 use-of-force incidents between 2010 and 2013. Here are the six most egregious and shocking uses of excessive force from that report:

 

Do you have a link for where you got that info? I'd like to share it elsewhere. Thanks!

[Mark F]

Eric Holder is as racist as anyone down there. I wouldn't trust anything that comes from him.

 

Have you got anything to demonstrate that this is accurate?

[Tracker]

 

 

December 5, 2014  | 

 

 

The U.S. Department of Justice issued a scathing report yesterday saying that there is “reasonable cause” to believe the Cleveland Police Department has consistently used excessive force against suspects as well as innocent victims of crimes, following the conclusion of a civil rights investigation that examined hundreds of cases.

The recent shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice by a cop with a known "dismal" history with firearms is just scratching the surface. According to the report, the Cleveland Police Department has recklessly and egregiously carried out its duties for years with very little accountability. Attorney General Eric Holder said yesterday that an independent monitor will oversee much-needed police reform in the city on the heels of the investigation that looked into nearly 600 use-of-force incidents between 2010 and 2013. Here are the six most egregious and shocking uses of excessive force from that report:

 

Do you have a link for where you got that info? I'd like to share it elsewhere. Thanks!

 

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/6-police-brutality-incidents-cleveland

 

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/inside-twisted-police-department-kills-unarmed-citizens-highest-rate-country

[max power]

 

Eric Holder is as racist as anyone down there. I wouldn't trust anything that comes from him.

 

Have you got anything to demonstrate that this is accurate?

 

 

It's just my opinion based on his actions and the things that he says.

[Jacquie]

The intial arrest of the Michael Brown was part of a "stop and frisk" illegal campaign wherein blacks and brown citizens are stopped on the street (arrested) for no reason and searched. The officer did not have any probable cause to stop Brown who was walking home with friends.

That is BS. Brown and his friend were walking down the centre line of the street when Wison stopped and told them to get on the sidewalk.

And if you think Brown was not reaching in the window of the car and trying to get Wilson's gun then you obviously didn't read the forensics reports.

[Mark F]

 

Eric Holder is as racist as anyone down there. I wouldn't trust anything that comes from him.

 

Have you got anything to demonstrate that this is accurate?

 

 

 

 

Eric Holder is as racist as anyone down there. I wouldn't trust anything that comes from him.

 

Have you got anything to demonstrate that this is accurate?

 

 

It's just my opinion based on his actions and the things that he says.

 

 

can you mention some of his actions, and some of the things he said that you base your opinion on?

[max power]

 

 

 

 

It's just my opinion based on his actions and the things that he says.

 

 

can you mention some of his actions, and some of the things he said that you base your opinion on?

 

 

Don't you think we've gone off-topic enough, that we don't need to go down this route?    If you're really interested you can google it and easily see where I'm coming from, whether you agree or not. I'm not interested in getting into this here, but I also didn't want to let a big post touting a report from his office stand as factual and unbiased without pointing out that there's plenty of people that don't see it that way.

[Mark F]

got nothing eh?

 

He's hasn't done anything that I like, 

 

but the last thing he is, is a racist.

[Tracker]

 

The intial arrest of the Michael Brown was part of a "stop and frisk" illegal campaign wherein blacks and brown citizens are stopped on the street (arrested) for no reason and searched. The officer did not have any probable cause to stop Brown who was walking home with friends.

That is BS. Brown and his friend were walking down the centre line of the street when Wison stopped and told them to get on the sidewalk.

And if you think Brown was not reaching in the window of the car and trying to get Wilson's gun then you obviously didn't read the forensics reports.

 

One damning piece of evidence was published yesterday. The official police report stated and was presented under oath that the final confrontation bewtween the officer and Brown took place 35 feet from the cruiser when Brown allegedly stopped running and began to attack the officer who was simply standing his ground. A news crew went to the spot where Brown was killed and found a discrepancy- the actual spot was 138 feet away from the cruiser location, which puts the entire officer statement that he was defending himself and pursuing a wounded suspect as well as the whole internal "investigation" in question and means the investigating officers and Wilson committed perjury.

[Logan007]

I'm completely lost at what everyone is talking about.

[Jacquie]

 

 

The intial arrest of the Michael Brown was part of a "stop and frisk" illegal campaign wherein blacks and brown citizens are stopped on the street (arrested) for no reason and searched. The officer did not have any probable cause to stop Brown who was walking home with friends.

That is BS. Brown and his friend were walking down the centre line of the street when Wison stopped and told them to get on the sidewalk.

And if you think Brown was not reaching in the window of the car and trying to get Wilson's gun then you obviously didn't read the forensics reports.

 

One damning piece of evidence was published yesterday. The official police report stated and was presented under oath that the final confrontation bewtween the officer and Brown took place 35 feet from the cruiser when Brown allegedly stopped running and began to attack the officer who was simply standing his ground. A news crew went to the spot where Brown was killed and found a discrepancy- the actual spot was 138 feet away from the cruiser location, which puts the entire officer statement that he was defending himself and pursuing a wounded suspect as well as the whole internal "investigation" in question and means the investigating officers and Wilson committed perjury.

 

 

I don't know where you are getting your information because the official crime scene diagram presented to the Grand Jury shows that Brown's body was just under 153" from the police cruiser. 

http://stltoday.com/michael-brown-shooting-scene-diagram/pdf_92c14ae3-8c5f-59ef-938b-664d66feea96.html

[Tracker]

Here is the report: with CNN and the Ferguson chief of police stating the distance:

 

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/video-police-lied-mike-brown-was-killed-148-feet-away-darren-wilsons-suv

[SPuDS]

Sooooo.. This pertains to the signing of a gay football player in Montreal how again?