The Unknown Poster Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 The old way of doing things was little to no competitive matches on TV. WCW would have had better competition on their Saturday and Sunday TV shows. The formula was, money was made at house shows and TV sold house shows. You used TV to advertise the live events where fans had to pay to see the big stars and competitive matches. Monday Night Wars changed that (with the advent of large TV rights fees). The TBS time slot was much sought after. It began as Georgia Championship Wrestling. In the 70's it moved to TBS and Ted Turner always had a soft spot for wrestling as a result of it being a highly rated cornerstone of the network from its inception. The TV show was called World Championship Wrestling (booker Jim Barnett had come from Austrailia where he ran a promotion of the same name). In the 80's Vince bought Georgia Championship Wrestling from Barnett, the Briscoes and Paul Jones, leaving Ole Anderson out of the deal. So the Saturday show became WWF World Championship Wrestling. But fans hated the Northern style of goofy characters, squash matches and recaps. And Turner was furious that Vince was sending in a tape and not taping out of the Omni in Atlanta. As a result, Vince sold GCW to Jim Crocket and the rest is history. But it shows the very different tastes among fans by region. Even when WCW became more mainstream with Hogan, Savage, Nash, Hall, etc, Ric Flair and the Horsemen were always top guys, popularity rise. Growing up, we got WWE in Winnipeg and virtually no WCW until TBS was offered by the cable companies but I read all about the WCW (NWA) wrestlers and preferred their style of wrestling. Flair, Windham, Muta, Tully & Arm etc etc. When Monday Nitro launched, the Saturday night programming became less of a focus because it went from their main TV to their secondary TV. Glacier might have sucked on Saturday, but that was at a time when Nitro was running competitve matches with Hogan, Savage etc.
sweep the leg Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 When I worked at dakota lanes every monda night wheni was 18-20 we had raw on (attitude era) ppl would come watch between turns up to bowl. Since the attitude era, mma became the thing to watch, n talk about, but I suspect many of those ppl watching during the attitude era watched during the early 90s, 80s maybe even longer, many probably check in once in a while still, maybe just not religiously This is pretty much me, except I really never checked in again until recently. I "graduated" to mma. My kid's getting old enough to watch wrestling now, so I'll watch some with him. I really don't know much about what's happened between the attitude era and now. I have tickets to the show here in December. Real case of deja-vu watching my kid turn into a huge wrestling fan. bigg jay 1
The Unknown Poster Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 The irony of UFC eroding WWE's audience is that one very critical decision in the rise of UFC was Vince allowing Ultimate Fighter to follow RAW. He said he didnt care as UFC wasnt competition. I bet he'd make a very different decision in hindsight.
bigg jay Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 More irony is that Paul Heyman warned Vince not to allow it... now with his association with Lesnar, he's benefiting from it!
The Unknown Poster Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 Paul has always had his finger on the pulse of what is cool and what will be cool. I think thats why Vince begrudgingly respects him. TNA were fools not to agree to Paul's terms to come in and book that promotion.
bigg jay Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 When I worked at dakota lanes every monda night wheni was 18-20 we had raw on (attitude era) ppl would come watch between turns up to bowl. Since the attitude era, mma became the thing to watch, n talk about, but I suspect many of those ppl watching during the attitude era watched during the early 90s, 80s maybe even longer, many probably check in once in a while still, maybe just not religiously This is pretty much me, except I really never checked in again until recently. I "graduated" to mma. My kid's getting old enough to watch wrestling now, so I'll watch some with him. I really don't know much about what's happened between the attitude era and now. I have tickets to the show here in December. Real case of deja-vu watching my kid turn into a huge wrestling fan. Same here (minus the kid getting me back into it). Left wrestling when the Attitude era died & MMA really took off (I was always an mma fan, it just didn't compete for my viewing time as there were only events every couple months at best). I check in now & again just to see what's going on but I can't remember the last time I watched a full raw or ppv or went to a live show.
Taynted_Fayth Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 Ive heard ufc is having problems staying captivating (I guess) kinda like boxing, still a money maker but ppl arent as hooked due to lack of big house hold names as it used to be. I remember watching mike tyson fight no names on ppv like peter mckneeley just cuz tyson n his knock out power was worth watching. GSP is a guy not known for his knock out power but if your a fan of the art hes clinical n goes the distance (isnt mayweather this way for boxing or was?) That being said, as much as wrestling is predetermined, there could be some upside to that. Ensuring big action almost each and everytime, with injuries a surprise element, I regard knock outs in any sport the same as an injury in wrestling, it could happen and holy **** when it does, but not necessary. I love seeing a good fight in any sport, but I guess ive come to be less disappointed with wrestling as a whole for time/moneys worth, so I guess thats more why I still watch
The Unknown Poster Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 Vince's position is always that wrestling is better than UFC because they are in control of the finishes. But UFC is almost always more intriguing based on realism. WWE should be a million times more interesting because they are pre-determined but they are just so lousy at creative. WWE has become a corporate wasteland of buzz words and formularic presentation where stakes dont matter, win/loss doesnt matter, titles dont matter, no one gets hurt and no one is allowed to be more over than the brand. Anyway, here is some local flavour (and Im quoted in the story): http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Wrestling/2015/10/28/22566818.html Taynted_Fayth 1
Taynted_Fayth Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 Now I know ur name lol the known poster here on
The Unknown Poster Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 Now I know ur name lol the known poster here on My secret identity!! shhhhhh
bigg jay Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 Ive heard ufc is having problems staying captivating (I guess) kinda like boxing, still a money maker but ppl arent as hooked due to lack of big house hold names as it used to be. I remember watching mike tyson fight no names on ppv like peter mckneeley just cuz tyson n his knock out power was worth watching. GSP is a guy not known for his knock out power but if your a fan of the art hes clinical n goes the distance (isnt mayweather this way for boxing or was?) That being said, as much as wrestling is predetermined, there could be some upside to that. Ensuring big action almost each and everytime, with injuries a surprise element, I regard knock outs in any sport the same as an injury in wrestling, it could happen and holy **** when it does, but not necessary. I love seeing a good fight in any sport, but I guess ive come to be less disappointed with wrestling as a whole for time/moneys worth, so I guess thats more why I still watch That was also his 1st fight after getting out of prison so they definitely weren't going to put him in there with the champ right away. Also, just because Tyson wiped everyone out (for the most part), doesn't mean they were no names, or weren't very good. Ronda Rousey is going through the same thing right now. Nobody will remember who she destroyed, with a couple exceptions, just that she was amazing.
Brandon Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 I'll say this. People won't bring up wrestling but if you do.... most will know what you are talking about. I know lots of ppl at work who are what I'd call closet fans. Meaning they won't talk about it unless someone else does first. People know who John Cena is. John Cena is more popular for his cameo in Train wreck... Nobody at my work has a clue about current wrestling...any wrestling talk revolves about classic 80s or Attitude era. In fairness most of my coworkers are more sports fans and less in to the geek stuff. So maybe it might be different if I was around more computer geeks... I myself can't even name 5 wrestlers post Attitude era... No big cross over stars these days.
Brandon Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 Ive heard ufc is having problems staying captivating (I guess) kinda like boxing, still a money maker but ppl arent as hooked due to lack of big house hold names as it used to be. I remember watching mike tyson fight no names on ppv like peter mckneeley just cuz tyson n his knock out power was worth watching. GSP is a guy not known for his knock out power but if your a fan of the art hes clinical n goes the distance (isnt mayweather this way for boxing or was?) That being said, as much as wrestling is predetermined, there could be some upside to that. Ensuring big action almost each and everytime, with injuries a surprise element, I regard knock outs in any sport the same as an injury in wrestling, it could happen and holy **** when it does, but not necessary. I love seeing a good fight in any sport, but I guess ive come to be less disappointed with wrestling as a whole for time/moneys worth, so I guess thats more why I still watch The issue with the ufc is over saturation and ppvs are pointless. Lots of the fox sports and fight nights have bigger and better fights. It used to be way more interesting when the cards were with known names from to to bottom. I've lost a lot of interest because it'd just to much to keep up with.
bigg jay Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 They've got themselves in a dilema with the Fox contracts. They are obligated to put on so many shows (on top of their PPV's) that they need a huge roster. They can't just cut a bunch of guys because then they can't meet their obligations to Fox. The roster is to a point that it's hard even for the die-hards to keep track of. IMO, they were better served keeping the WEC around as a feeder league. Guys like Pettis, Faber, Cerrone and Benson Henderson all made their name their before they got to the UFC.
bigg jay Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 Anyway, here is some local flavour (and Im quoted in the story): http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Wrestling/2015/10/28/22566818.html Pretty good read. I remember seeing a lot of those matches (at least the ones earlier in Royce's career - the article kind of skips from 2005 to 2013) but always got the feeling Royce was happier being a big fish in a small pond rather than hit the road and try to make a real career out of it. Of course I don't know his reasoning for it, but I always felt he had the talent & could have been bigger. Brandon Blue&Gold 1
The Unknown Poster Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 Anyway, here is some local flavour (and Im quoted in the story): http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Wrestling/2015/10/28/22566818.html Pretty good read. I remember seeing a lot of those matches (at least the ones earlier in Royce's career - the article kind of skips from 2005 to 2013) but always got the feeling Royce was happier being a big fish in a small pond rather than hit the road and try to make a real career out of it. Of course I don't know his reasoning for it, but I always felt he had the talent & could have been bigger. He had loads of talent. As I mentioned in the article, he was sort of ahead of his time as far as local wrestling. Shawn Michaels had come along and was changing wrestling in WWE and there were others like him in the world, but locally it was "old school" for the most part, punch/kick/headlock. And a "look" meant being big and beefy with long hair. My remark about Royce proving talent was a requirement of being a top guy was because in the early 2000's there was a movement among some new local guys to bring in athlete calibre physiques which, for a brief time, took precadence over talent. I asked one of my closest confidences in wrestling (who is now retired) about Royce and he is the one that said to me "he was ahead of his time" and influenced guys who began training in 2000, 2001 -ish. Royce probably could have bounced around indy's if he had so chosen and possibly got a look in ECW where he would have been more talented then many guys that got booked there. But he was pretty small. Ofcourse, there is often a difference between how a guy looks who is comfortable working locally and a guy trying to make that final push to a major office so he could have improved his "look". If I recall, he got married pretty young (he's been married as long as I've known him and has at least one adult son) and I think that impacted his career choices. When Mentallo, Omega, Rawskillz came along, they took influence from Royce and went even further with it. Mentallo and Omega have worked all over. Skillz would have but he also settled down right before he probably could have gotten looks in Japan. The article skips over a lot of time because I dont think anything overly historic happened in that time. Once he came to PCW, he settled in as a top guy. When he left in 2009 it really wasnt as big a deal as "jumping" had been in the eary part of 2000's. Although it did result in him and I going from very close to not friendly at all. We used to talk about having one big match against each other and I wish we had done so! Brandon Blue&Gold 1
The Unknown Poster Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 Wrestlng Observer USA Network, in a press release today highlighting it’s January premieres, announced the move of WWE Smackdown from the Sy-Fy network. What was notable from this release is that despite rumours of a possible move to Tuesday nights, airing live, the premiere was announced for January 7th, a Thursday, meaning it’s likely that this means the show will stay in the same Thursday time slot it’s been in for the last year. Numbers continued to slide at a similar rate as on Monday Night RAW to get to the current 2.1 million level. The move to USA network is expected to be accompanied by a renewed focus from WWE on the show to make it more relevant and a subsequent increase in TV viewers is the hoped for result.
Taynted_Fayth Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 I liked when wwe was on TSN at least raw (I think smackdown was on sportsnet) then i think they both were on there, with the way MTS and Shaw started doing theme packages for a while I totally lost access to watching wrestling. This is why i started more staying current with the slam wrestling recaps which for the most parts was much more enjoyable. sitting down for lunch read up on the previous raw in the 15-20 minutes eating beats 3hours full of commercials and stuff you cant skip through. I noticed on monday while raw was played, TSN was playing world series of Poker, and ive seen other event like soccer, or just highlight shows, did TSN lose out to SN or just say screw it to airing WWE?
Taynted_Fayth Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 or does this have more to do with these SYFY or USA networks and their deals with guys like TSN or SN
The Unknown Poster Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 I liked when wwe was on TSN at least raw (I think smackdown was on sportsnet) then i think they both were on there, with the way MTS and Shaw started doing theme packages for a while I totally lost access to watching wrestling. This is why i started more staying current with the slam wrestling recaps which for the most parts was much more enjoyable. sitting down for lunch read up on the previous raw in the 15-20 minutes eating beats 3hours full of commercials and stuff you cant skip through. I noticed on monday while raw was played, TSN was playing world series of Poker, and ive seen other event like soccer, or just highlight shows, did TSN lose out to SN or just say screw it to airing WWE? Rogers went after WWE and made them a deal too sweet to turn down. Same thing with the Network. WWE had planned for the Network to be a streaming service in Canada but Rogers' wanted all of WWE and made them an offer they couldnt refuse. Wrestling Observer does free recaps of the shows. The RAW recap is live as it happens. I reccomend it. I usually read it to catch up on things I missed while FF'ing through half of RAW. And as I've said, if you're a wrestling fan for $10 a month, the Observer is tremendous value.
The Unknown Poster Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 For those that mentioned it, average age of RAW viewers is 40. Average age of SD viewers is 46.
Jpan85 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Rollins tears his ACL and MCL during Ireland tour. New champ to determined by elimination tournament at Survivors series. http://www.wwe.com/inside/seth-rollins-injury-title-tournament-survivor-series-28164051
bigg jay Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 The injury https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB-qEKI37eY&feature=youtu.be
The Unknown Poster Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Powerboming Kane = not a good idea With John Cena, Brock Lesnar, and Randy Orton among the major stars on hiatus for various reasons at the moment, the timing of this injury could not be worse. One WWE source noted that some phone calls are likely already being made to some very big names. Seth's reign was a total flop. If they are smart they do one of two things: Write Brock a blank cheque and he wins the tournament. or clear Daniel Bryan and he either wins or is screwed by Roman in a heel turn. FOrcing Roman down our throats, especially now isnt a good idea.
Taynted_Fayth Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Id like to see samoa joe transfered over from NXT, i think he could have some good feuds
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