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[SpeedFlex27]

I blame iHeart for the fact Babylon 5 was cancelled.

 

 

Edited March 1, 2017 by SpeedFlex27

[FrostyWinnipeg]

I blame iHeart for the fact Babylon 5 was  brought back for a 5th season.

[SpeedFlex27]

I blame iHeart for convincing William Shatner to do this:

 

 

 

 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Damn it Speedy, I think you just killed this thread. No coming back from that. Nope, I got nothing,

[iHeart]

I wasn't even born when he did that

[FrostyWinnipeg]

3 hours ago, iHeart said:

I wasn't even born when he did that

Time travel?

[tacklewasher]

23 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I blame iHeart for the fact Babylon 5 was cancelled.

 

 

It wasn't cancelled. It was always going to be a 5 year run.

 

I'll blame iHeart for both Crusade (the B5 spinoff) and Firefly being cancelled.

[SpeedFlex27]

8 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Time travel?

I blame iHeart for waves & waves of time displacement.

[iHeart]

oh that is the last time I share any star trek or wars anything related here, you guys can check tvline yourselves

Edited March 2, 2017 by iHeart

[iHeart]

3 hours ago, tacklewasher said:

It wasn't cancelled. It was always going to be a 5 year run.

 

I'll blame FOX for Firefly being cancelled because FOX made a stupid decision

yes they did

[FrostyWinnipeg]

6 hours ago, tacklewasher said:

It wasn't cancelled. It was always going to be a 5 year run.

I always thought of it being 4 years then JMS got cash to go to TNT.

[tacklewasher]

17 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

I always thought of it being 4 years then JMS got cash to go to TNT.

No. The plan was always 5, but partway through 4 they got kinda jerked around a little and were not sure if Yr 5 would happen, so they tried to wrap the story up. Then when yr 5 got greenlighted, Strasinsky (SP?) had to rush the script, which is why the atart of yr 5 is kinda off. Plus they couldn't get the contract with Claudia Christian sorted in time (both side probably still pointing fingers over that) so Ivanavov wasn't back.

Crusade looked like a decent spin off until iHeart killed it (and Firefly). LOTR sucked donkey balls in the pilot. And tales of B5 was terrible.

I have everything B5 on DVD except LOTR and the Tales thing. Also have all the books.

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Been meaning to revisit B5. Was there not movies between 4 and 5 or were the movies after 5. Regardless that show the way it was written was pretty incredible.

They should redo the FX like Trek has done.

[The Unknown Poster]

There is an Indiegogo campaign to make a documentary about DS9 with the people who made the show involved 

they are working on creating HD versions of certain scenes and CGI to show how good DS9 would look if CBS was willing to do a full HD version. 

 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

The FX in DS9/VOY dont need much redoing IMHO.

[The Unknown Poster]

2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

The FX in DS9/VOY dont need much redoing IMHO.

They were rendered in 480. They would look awful in HD especially 4K. Enterprise was the first series to be made in HD. 

Not much future proofing was done. When they restored and upgraded TNG it was Painstaking because the original film might have been easier to scan in HD but all the SFX weee rendered in sD so they all had to be recreated. Very expensive. 

Supposedly with DS9 the original creators included extra detail on their modeling to try and future proof it abit but the clip above was a complete re-do from scratch. 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

They were rendered in 480. They would look awful in HD especially 4K. Enterprise was the first series to be made in HD. 

Not much future proofing was done. When they restored and upgraded TNG it was Painstaking because the original film might have been easier to scan in HD but all the SFX weee rendered in sD so they all had to be recreated. Very expensive. 

Supposedly with DS9 the original creators included extra detail on their modeling to try and future proof it abit but the clip above was a complete re-do from scratch. 

Was TNG/DS9/VOY shot on film? TOS was which is why they could HD it.

[The Unknown Poster]

44 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Was TNG/DS9/VOY shot on film? TOS was which is why they could HD it.

TNG was for  sure film. When they remastered it they scanned the originals film negatives and then used the film code and production notes to edit it back together in a digital workflow as it was originally broadcast. 

TNG used models for the ships so they kept the footage because the models were filmed with amazing detail. But video effects like phasers etc had to be recreated as the video was not high quality enough. 

So basically what happened is they never really thought about the future so they rendered the SFX on video in SD but since the show was recorded on film it was able to be remastered. But it's a lot of work and expensive. 

The TNG Blu rays weee priced too high and didn't sell as much as CBS expected which halted any thought of remastering VOY and DS9. 

I sort of think CBS will eventually do it because Star Trek is still popular in syndication and eventually the existing copies will not be good enough to sell in syndication. 

Cbs is very good at remastering. 

[tacklewasher]

On 2017-03-02 at 3:03 PM, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Been meaning to revisit B5. Was there not movies between 4 and 5 or were the movies after 5. Regardless that show the way it was written was pretty incredible.

They should redo the FX like Trek has done.

Both.

Here's the list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Babylon_5_films

LOTR and Lost Tales were after. LOTR was a 2 hour pilot that was terrible. Lost Tales was 2 stories, but not very good. Both of these took place after the main B5 storyline. The others fit into the storyline with A call to Arms being the segway to Crusade.

[tacklewasher]

And I still blame iHeart for it being cancelled.

Edited March 4, 2017 by tacklewasher

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Did not know this.

http://www.blastr.com/2013-5-28/straczynski-reveals-moving-story-why-michael-ohare-left-babylon-5

Apparently nothing to do with iHeart

Edited March 4, 2017 by FrostyWinnipeg

[The Unknown Poster]

There is a rumour video making the rounds by someone called Midnights Edge.  I dont know anything about him but Ive seen other Trekkies say his past rumour reports have been accurate.  He runs down the list of "bad news" surrounding Discovery including (I'm paraphrasing):

- Showrunner (and the guy who basically set the vision for Discovery) Bryan Fuller and CBS head Les Moonves butted heads from the beginning.  Moonves wanted Trek more "sexed" up, isnt a Sci Fi fan and doesnt know anything about Trek.  He demanded visual effects, set design etc that was cutting edge (ie. not in keeping with the time period).  Fuller warned him the core audience would reject the show.  And Fuller was fired.

- New showrunners are not Trek fans per se and are following Moonves orders.  Fuller has told people Trek fans will hate the designs.  And supposedly licensees are upset as they too warned Moonves that Trek fans will reject what they've come up with and several licencees are not supportive of the project.

- The entire visual staff was fired at some point.

- Several actors want out.

- Fuller has told people Trek fans will hate it and the show will be cancelled before the first season is complete.

- The story takes place in the "Prime Timeline" but involves something called trans dimensional universe.  Supposedly the pilot explores the fact that a Romulan character and a Klingon character previously played by original Sarek actor Mark Lenard were actually "Sarek" himself in different trans dimensional universes. (huh? This alone sounds so absurd I question the entire rumour report but if Moonves came up with something so insane it ruined Trek on TV, that sounds like the winning idea...or losing idea as the case might be)

- Netflix is allegedly furious and might not be so supportive anymore...(Remember, Moonves has already said the deal with Netflix has covered the entire production cost so no Netflix = No Discovery)

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Well just based on the last 4 shows you know you have to get to season 2 before things get better.

[The Unknown Poster]

1 minute ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Well just based on the last 4 shows you know you have to get to season 2 before things get better.

I think thats a myth.  It was only true with TNG and to a lesser extent DS9 but those were special cases.  In the case of TNG, they were completely re-inventing Star Trek on TV and DS9 was changing the way they present it too.  DS9 got better when they stopped being TNG on a space station.

Voyager had a decent premiere and then p!ssed it away within about three episodes.  They never got better.

Enterprise didnt improve until Season 4 when they got a new Showrunner who changed the vision for the series.

Discovery should be as good as possible out of the gates.  If any of these rumours are true, it might take til Season 2 or 3 to get better but probably because of someone getting fired.  And actually in the case of TNG, it was the power struggle between Gene Roddenberry and Rick Berman.  And when Berman won, the series got a lot better.

[FrostyWinnipeg]

4 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I think thats a myth.  It was only true with TNG and to a lesser extent DS9 but those were special cases.  In the case of TNG, they were completely re-inventing Star Trek on TV and DS9 was changing the way they present it too.  DS9 got better when they stopped being TNG on a space station.

Voyager had a decent premiere and then p!ssed it away within about three episodes.  They never got better.

Enterprise didnt improve until Season 4 when they got a new Showrunner who changed the vision for the series.

Discovery should be as good as possible out of the gates.  If any of these rumours are true, it might take til Season 2 or 3 to get better but probably because of someone getting fired.  And actually in the case of TNG, it was the power struggle between Gene Roddenberry and Rick Berman.  And when Berman won, the series got a lot better.

Think you mean season 3 of ENT with the one story arc.