White Cop Shoots Black Man, Charged With Murder

[Fatty Liver]

 

 

 

I'll try to find the law but read it in an article where the law actually was yes a cop can shoot a fleeing suspect if he is a danger to the officer or community. The word imminent was not used.

 

 

The danger to the cop and or community was over. If there was any in the first place.

 

He cannot discharge his weapon in this case. Its against the law and its cold blooded murder.

 

Now if this guy had just killed someone and this all went down then yes he can pull his gun and discharge it.

 

But this was not the case. This was a simple traffic stop that a guy with a warrant freaked out and ran away... cop gives chase and a tussle happens a tazer is used and the guy runs away. The danger is over and the cop cannot get up and pull his gun and shoot the guy dead. Thats called murder. The point of the guy running away it was the cops job to report the guy ran and that he had his ID and a passenger in the car he stopped and ask for backup.

 

Like ive asked.  Ever watch cops on TV?  LOL   They never just start shooting people that fight n run.

 

 

That's because they are aware there is a TV camera following them.  Hard to say that none of the other 300 plus shootings this year alone that weren't caught on camera didn't go down the same way.

 

 

 

You have got to be kidding. So thats the way the law works? On film or not on film determans how the law comes into play?

 

I wont shot a guy running cuz im on film. Yet if there was no film id shoot the prick dead.

 

The law is the law and no cop can ever ever ever pull his gun and just shoot anyone. That aint the way it works.

 

An imminent danger needs to happen..... Like during a fight and the guys going for a weapon......The guy just killed other people or a person.... Or he pulls a weapon.

 

None of that happened. The guy just ran away. This stupid cop had no clue about that guy. He new he had no insurance for the car but was told a reason why. He had no clue of anything else.

 

 

The way the law is "supposed" to work and the way it works are too different animals. Seems pretty naive to believe police forces the world round don't administer their own system of justice in specific circumstances.  There are literally millions of examples of this behaviour from bribery to beatings, rape to robbery to draw on.  If you asked around amongst close family and friends you could probably uncover a few examples for yourself. 

 

Not saying all police officers bend the law but a great many will and do when given the opportunity.  After-all they're only human and the mechanism to cover their tracks with the encouragement and assistance of brethren is empowering.

[New_Earth_Mud]

 

 

 

 

I'll try to find the law but read it in an article where the law actually was yes a cop can shoot a fleeing suspect if he is a danger to the officer or community. The word imminent was not used.

 

 

The danger to the cop and or community was over. If there was any in the first place.

 

He cannot discharge his weapon in this case. Its against the law and its cold blooded murder.

 

Now if this guy had just killed someone and this all went down then yes he can pull his gun and discharge it.

 

But this was not the case. This was a simple traffic stop that a guy with a warrant freaked out and ran away... cop gives chase and a tussle happens a tazer is used and the guy runs away. The danger is over and the cop cannot get up and pull his gun and shoot the guy dead. Thats called murder. The point of the guy running away it was the cops job to report the guy ran and that he had his ID and a passenger in the car he stopped and ask for backup.

 

Like ive asked.  Ever watch cops on TV?  LOL   They never just start shooting people that fight n run.

 

 

That's because they are aware there is a TV camera following them.  Hard to say that none of the other 300 plus shootings this year alone that weren't caught on camera didn't go down the same way.

 

 

 

You have got to be kidding. So thats the way the law works? On film or not on film determans how the law comes into play?

 

I wont shot a guy running cuz im on film. Yet if there was no film id shoot the prick dead.

 

The law is the law and no cop can ever ever ever pull his gun and just shoot anyone. That aint the way it works.

 

An imminent danger needs to happen..... Like during a fight and the guys going for a weapon......The guy just killed other people or a person.... Or he pulls a weapon.

 

None of that happened. The guy just ran away. This stupid cop had no clue about that guy. He new he had no insurance for the car but was told a reason why. He had no clue of anything else.

 

 

The way the law is "supposed" to work and the way it works are too different animals. Seems pretty naive to believe police forces the world round don't administer their own system of justice in specific circumstances.  There are literally millions of examples of this behaviour from bribery to beatings, rape to robbery to draw on.  If you asked around amongst close family and friends you could probably uncover a few examples for yourself. 

 

Not saying all police officers bend the law but a great many will and do when given the opportunity.  After-all they're only human and the mechanism to cover their tracks with the encouragement and assistance of brethren is empowering.

 

 

 

Good grief.

 

Im going to assume you are wrong. LOL

 

Ive got no doubt some cops will bend the law.....  But just shoot a guy dead like that?

 

Thats a pretty big bending of the law. Hell im a loyal type guy but thats a bit much.

 

If this was some big time bad dude thats been problems then ya...  but this guy was a nobody.

[The Unknown Poster]

Also as far as shooting him five times, is the same reason why people get upset when a cop lawfully shoots someone and kills them and people say why can't he shoot him in the leg. Cops aren't trained to shoot in the leg. And they aren't trained to shoot once, stand back and see if it's effective, shoot again, stand back, shoot again. It's shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot until the suspect is down.

Ever see video of an armed suspect being shot by a group of cops? If it's two cops of 50, they all fire.

besides which it's going to come down to definition of danger. If the Boston bomber set off his bomb and ran off and a cop shot him (by the way they did shoot him while he was laying prone in a boat) you could say he was not an imminent threat but his prior actions were enough of a threat tjay he had to be stopped.

The cop will argue perception. He had a fleeing suspect. He was assaulted. He fought over his weapon and he feared for his life when he went for his gun. By the time he fired the suspect was several feet away but the argument will be reasonable fear on behalf of the cop.

Boston bomber and a traffic stop?

Cmon dude your way smarter then to stretch this into that.

That cop was **** at his job and killed someone for no reason at all.

We have zero idea if the guy went for the cops gun and even if he did he didnt get it and was running away. He didnt have a gun. And was shot 5 times in the back.

You've completemy missed my point. You said it's never legal for a cop to shoot a fleeing suspect and I gave you an example of where the officer would be considered a hero. Ofcourse the crime isn't comparable but as soon we enter into the idea tjay its okay sometimes, that's when things get cloudy.

If the cop had pulled his gun three seconds quicker, if the guys hadn't sorinted away and was instead shot right at the scene of the physical altercation, would you consider it a lawful shooting?

[New_Earth_Mud]

 

 

Also as far as shooting him five times, is the same reason why people get upset when a cop lawfully shoots someone and kills them and people say why can't he shoot him in the leg. Cops aren't trained to shoot in the leg. And they aren't trained to shoot once, stand back and see if it's effective, shoot again, stand back, shoot again. It's shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot until the suspect is down.

Ever see video of an armed suspect being shot by a group of cops? If it's two cops of 50, they all fire.

besides which it's going to come down to definition of danger. If the Boston bomber set off his bomb and ran off and a cop shot him (by the way they did shoot him while he was laying prone in a boat) you could say he was not an imminent threat but his prior actions were enough of a threat tjay he had to be stopped.

The cop will argue perception. He had a fleeing suspect. He was assaulted. He fought over his weapon and he feared for his life when he went for his gun. By the time he fired the suspect was several feet away but the argument will be reasonable fear on behalf of the cop.

Boston bomber and a traffic stop?

Cmon dude your way smarter then to stretch this into that.

That cop was **** at his job and killed someone for no reason at all.

We have zero idea if the guy went for the cops gun and even if he did he didnt get it and was running away. He didnt have a gun. And was shot 5 times in the back.

You've completemy missed my point. You said it's never legal for a cop to shoot a fleeing suspect and I gave you an example of where the officer would be considered a hero. Ofcourse the crime isn't comparable but as soon we enter into the idea tjay its okay sometimes, that's when things get cloudy.

If the cop had pulled his gun three seconds quicker, if the guys hadn't sorinted away and was instead shot right at the scene of the physical altercation, would you consider it a lawful shooting?

 

 

 

Ok   Im sry i missed your point.  The thing is tho its not about ifs and buts.

 

I agree with you.... IF the cop pulled his gun and shot the guy during a tussle when a guy is going for a gun or the cops gun then yes its an ok shot.

 

But thats not the case at all. You said is allowable for a cop to shot a perp running away and thats just not true at all. They can pull it and point it but they are not allowed to discharge it. The guy had no weapon and did not pose a threat to anyone. He ran away. Thats not enough reason for a cop to stand up and pull his gun and shoot a person dead.

 

The cop in this case committed murder.

 

Ifs and buts are not an argument or even a discussion in this case....  The vid says it all. At the time of the murder there was no threat or danger to anyone.

 

If a threat for his life is this cops defence for his shooting a guy 5 times in the back while hes running away... this cops going to spend a bunch of time locked up. As he should. 

 

Cops can not ever be allowed to just start shooting people that they feel might be a danger to them....  They are cops. Everything thing they do is somewhat of a danger. Its the job they signed up to do. Most situations are in some way or form going to be dangerous to them.

 

They just cant start saying ...  i felt in danger so i shot everyone. Thats crazy and not their job.

[basslicker]

Don't run and you have a better chance of not being shot. Better yet, don't be in a stolen car, have warrants out for your arrest or don't be a thug and you have a better chance of not being shot.

[New_Earth_Mud]

Don't run and you have a better chance of not being shot. Better yet, don't be in a stolen car, have warrants out for your arrest or don't be a thug and you have a better chance of not being shot.

 

 

So breaking a law...  any law is cause for you to be shot dead.

 

Thats just nuts.   Steal a car and yup a cop can kill you. Have a warrant for unpaid child support and yup cops can shoot you dead. Steal some **** from a store and cops show up and person runs...  shoot them dead.

 

Awesome.

[Fatty Liver]

 

Don't run and you have a better chance of not being shot. Better yet, don't be in a stolen car, have warrants out for your arrest or don't be a thug and you have a better chance of not being shot.

 

 

So breaking a law...  any law is cause for you to be shot dead.

 

Thats just nuts.   Steal a car and yup a cop can kill you. Have a warrant for unpaid child support and yup cops can shoot you dead. Steal some **** from a store and cops show up and person runs...  shoot them dead.

 

Awesome.

 

 

 

Not sure what point you're trying to make but clearly the system is broken and everybody knows it.

 

"Research found 41 police officers in the U.S. were charged with murder or manslaughter between 2005 and 2011. In the same time period, the FBI recorded several thousand justifiable homicides." 

 

This quote is taken from the following article.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30339943

 

Basically if there's no video evidence there is likely no conviction.  The courts accept the police explanations even when there is eye-witnesses testimony contradicting it.

[The Unknown Poster]

New Earth. I'm sorry you are wrong. Regardless of this specific situation a cop does have the right to shoot a fleeing suspect of he feels the suspect represents a risk to himself or others. That will be the crux of this case.

I guarantee you, if the cop had not shot and this suspect ran around the corner and killed someone the question would be why didn't the cop do more.

Here's another cop shooting showing cops fighting for their lives. They shot and killed. Not comparing. Just showing a story not getting as much media

http://globalnews.ca/news/1933992/wild-police-brawl-captured-on-video-leaves-one-dead-outside-arizona-walmart/?hootPostID=76879146075ed8205f5d744ee619935e

[The Unknown Poster]

Don't run and you have a better chance of not being shot. Better yet, don't be in a stolen car, have warrants out for your arrest or don't be a thug and you have a better chance of not being shot.

So breaking a law... any law is cause for you to be shot dead.

Thats just nuts. Steal a car and yup a cop can kill you. Have a warrant for unpaid child support and yup cops can shoot you dead. Steal some **** from a store and cops show up and person runs... shoot them dead.

Awesome.

His point has merit. I made the point earlier in a different way and got heat for it. The cop may have done one thing tjay lead to this outcome. The victim had way more opportunities to choose a different path to avoid this outcome. Losing your life is not an acceptable outcome. But it's like death my misadventure. It's awful but it's stupidity leading to death.

Don't have. warrants.

Don't run from cops.

Don't fight cop

Don't try to take cops stun gun

Don't run from cop.

He literally had numerous opportunities to change his path.

Not saying the outcome isn't awful but by law this is not

Murder. Not even close.

[johnzo]

Don't have. warrants.

From the DoJ's Report on the Ferguson Police Department:

"In 2013 alone, the court issued over 9,000 warrants on cases stemming in large part from minor violations such as parking infractions, traffic tickets, or housing code violations. Jail time would be considered far too harsh a penalty for the great majority of these code violations, yet Ferguson’s municipal court routinely issues warrants for people to be arrested and incarcerated for failing to timely pay related fines and fees."

Don't want to get shot? Don't be late paying a parking ticket.

[The Unknown Poster]

Unintelligent argument and you know it. Speaking soecificslly about this case it was not warrants for traffic tickets. And regardless of the penalty, the victim thought je was going to jail which is why he fled, assaulted an officer, attempted to take his stun gun and ran off again.

Silly arguments being made here. Did the cop walk up to the car and shoot him for having a broken tail light? No he didn't. So let's stop with the "shot over a traffic violation" nonsense.

[basslicker]

Don't run and you have a better chance of not being shot. Better yet, don't be in a stolen car, have warrants out for your arrest or don't be a thug and you have a better chance of not being shot.

So breaking a law... any law is cause for you to be shot dead.

Thats just nuts. Steal a car and yup a cop can kill you. Have a warrant for unpaid child support and yup cops can shoot you dead. Steal some **** from a store and cops show up and person runs... shoot them dead.

Awesome.

it is tragic whenever someone dies this way, but the reality is that it is avoidable. Bottom line is that a cop can shoot you For various reasons and if you fight back or run you are putting yourself in grave danger.

they are trained to keep the peace, and if you break that piece you might get shot. So don't be stupid. If I get pulled over by the police or whatever I try to be as polite and cooperative as can be. My first reaction isn't to grab his gun or punch or run.

[Mark F]

"North Carolina police say they have proof a 17-year-old Latino teen, whose hands were cuffed behind his back, fatally shot himself in the head last year.

Durham police today released the preliminary findings of their internal investigation into the death of Jesus Huerta as he sat in the back of a police car on November 19.

Police said evidence clears officers of any wrongdoing, as an autopsy report revealed Huerta died from a gunshot wound to the face at close range."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537535/Handcuffed-teenager-shot-head-police-car-insist-North-Carolina-police.html#ixzz3X7z3ynz0

 

 

 

 

[SPuDS]

Don't run and you have a better chance of not being shot. Better yet, don't be in a stolen car, have warrants out for your arrest or don't be a thug and you have a better chance of not being shot.

So breaking a law... any law is cause for you to be shot dead.

Thats just nuts. Steal a car and yup a cop can kill you. Have a warrant for unpaid child support and yup cops can shoot you dead. Steal some **** from a store and cops show up and person runs... shoot them dead.

Awesome.

His point has merit. I made the point earlier in a different way and got heat for it. The cop may have done one thing tjay lead to this outcome. The victim had way more opportunities to choose a different path to avoid this outcome. Losing your life is not an acceptable outcome. But it's like death my misadventure. It's awful but it's stupidity leading to death.

Don't have. warrants.

Don't run from cops.

Don't fight cop

Don't try to take cops stun gun

Don't run from cop.

He literally had numerous opportunities to change his path.

Not saying the outcome isn't awful but by law this is not

Murder. Not even close.

I agree with this. don't break the law and your odds of not getting into an altercation with a police man go up surprisingly high.. no altercations with cops and guess what.. You don't get shot at.

Obviously this is part tongue in cheek as police need to hold themselves to a certain level of safety and protect everyone should be rule #1 but at the end of the day this guy scuffled with police... Was tazered and ran from an arresting officer.. He was most likely given verbal warnings all the way thru this unfortunate situation and still chose to flee.. he knew what could happen..

[New_Earth_Mud]

New Earth. I'm sorry you are wrong. Regardless of this specific situation a cop does have the right to shoot a fleeing suspect of he feels the suspect represents a risk to himself or others. That will be the crux of this case.

I guarantee you, if the cop had not shot and this suspect ran around the corner and killed someone the question would be why didn't the cop do more.

Here's another cop shooting showing cops fighting for their lives. They shot and killed. Not comparing. Just showing a story not getting as much media

http://globalnews.ca/news/1933992/wild-police-brawl-captured-on-video-leaves-one-dead-outside-arizona-walmart/?hootPostID=76879146075ed8205f5d744ee619935e

 

 

Ive said from the start that if the cop feels himself or others are imminent danger then yes he can use his gun.

 

But this is not the case here. The guy was running away and did not have the cops tazer.

 

The witness said they were in a tussle and the cop was in control untill the guy got away and ran... we dont know if he went for the cops tazer.

 

The cop had no idea the guy had warrants. Its not like this guy was some young gangbanger dude.  The cop had no reason to assume that anybody life was in danger when he ran from the car or ran from the cop after the tussle. The danger to the cop was over when the guy ran away because he had no weapon.

 

Hence the cop being fired and charged with murder and held without bail. 

[SPuDS]

New Earth. I'm sorry you are wrong. Regardless of this specific situation a cop does have the right to shoot a fleeing suspect of he feels the suspect represents a risk to himself or others. That will be the crux of this case.

I guarantee you, if the cop had not shot and this suspect ran around the corner and killed someone the question would be why didn't the cop do more.

Here's another cop shooting showing cops fighting for their lives. They shot and killed. Not comparing. Just showing a story not getting as much media

http://globalnews.ca/news/1933992/wild-police-brawl-captured-on-video-leaves-one-dead-outside-arizona-walmart/?hootPostID=76879146075ed8205f5d744ee619935e

Ive said from the start that if the cop feels himself or others are imminent danger then yes he can use his gun.

But this is not the case here. The guy was running away and did not have the cops tazer.

The witness said they were in a tussle and the cop was in control untill the guy got away and ran... we dont know if he went for the cops tazer.

The cop had no idea the guy had warrants. Its not like this guy was some young gangbanger dude. The cop had no reason to assume that anybody life was in danger when he ran from the car or ran from the cop after the tussle. The danger to the cop was over when the guy ran away because he had no weapon.

Hence the cop being fired and charged with murder and held without bail.

I have to say.. Your pretty liberal with the assumption that this guy was some kind of angel and the cop was straight outta "sin

city" just because of a snap judgement by police chief doesnt mean he's already set to be drawn and quartered..

[New_Earth_Mud]

 

 

Don't run and you have a better chance of not being shot. Better yet, don't be in a stolen car, have warrants out for your arrest or don't be a thug and you have a better chance of not being shot.

So breaking a law... any law is cause for you to be shot dead.

Thats just nuts. Steal a car and yup a cop can kill you. Have a warrant for unpaid child support and yup cops can shoot you dead. Steal some **** from a store and cops show up and person runs... shoot them dead.

Awesome.

it is tragic whenever someone dies this way, but the reality is that it is avoidable. Bottom line is that a cop can shoot you For various reasons and if you fight back or run you are putting yourself in grave danger.

they are trained to keep the peace, and if you break that piece you might get shot. So don't be stupid. If I get pulled over by the police or whatever I try to be as polite and cooperative as can be. My first reaction isn't to grab his gun or punch or run.

 

 

 

Right.

 

It wasent the guys first reaction. He didnt punch or go for the cops gun. He just ran away. The cops in his car with the guys ID and the car with a passenger in it. The cop had no reason to give chase ... he should have called for backup. Every cop ive seen on CNN or whatever says the same thing.

 

When the guy first ran backup should have been called and the passenger of the car should have been cuffed and placed in the cop car while backup give chase.

 

I guess IMO of the overall situation was a mess from the guy running away but i want cops to have more control over their actions then what this cop showed. He is trained to be the peace keeper and in control of these situations.

[New_Earth_Mud]

 

 

New Earth. I'm sorry you are wrong. Regardless of this specific situation a cop does have the right to shoot a fleeing suspect of he feels the suspect represents a risk to himself or others. That will be the crux of this case.

I guarantee you, if the cop had not shot and this suspect ran around the corner and killed someone the question would be why didn't the cop do more.

Here's another cop shooting showing cops fighting for their lives. They shot and killed. Not comparing. Just showing a story not getting as much media

http://globalnews.ca/news/1933992/wild-police-brawl-captured-on-video-leaves-one-dead-outside-arizona-walmart/?hootPostID=76879146075ed8205f5d744ee619935e

Ive said from the start that if the cop feels himself or others are imminent danger then yes he can use his gun.

But this is not the case here. The guy was running away and did not have the cops tazer.

The witness said they were in a tussle and the cop was in control untill the guy got away and ran... we dont know if he went for the cops tazer.

The cop had no idea the guy had warrants. Its not like this guy was some young gangbanger dude. The cop had no reason to assume that anybody life was in danger when he ran from the car or ran from the cop after the tussle. The danger to the cop was over when the guy ran away because he had no weapon.

Hence the cop being fired and charged with murder and held without bail.

I have to say.. Your pretty liberal with the assumption that this guy was some kind of angel and the cop was straight outta "sin

city" just because of a snap judgement by police chief doesnt mean he's already set to be drawn and quartered..

 

 

Im not assuming anything.....  Im going off what we know happened.

 

Is the cop not fired and in jail without bail and charged with murder? Seems so.

 

The problem for the cop is going to be is once the guy got away the danger of the situation is over and the cop has no info to give him reason to think the guy is a danger to others.

[Mark H.]

I've been reading this thread, reading other articles, and scratching my head for the past few days.

 

Running away from Police is a strange decision to make - sometimes people make strange decisions.  Does that mean they should be shot?

 

I dare say not. 

 

I get that some of you are arguing semantics and commenting on the rights of Police Officers in general - but why defend a cop who shot and killed an unarmed, fleeing suspect?

[Mark F]

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[Fatty Liver]

 

 

 

Don't run and you have a better chance of not being shot. Better yet, don't be in a stolen car, have warrants out for your arrest or don't be a thug and you have a better chance of not being shot.

So breaking a law... any law is cause for you to be shot dead.

Thats just nuts. Steal a car and yup a cop can kill you. Have a warrant for unpaid child support and yup cops can shoot you dead. Steal some **** from a store and cops show up and person runs... shoot them dead.

Awesome.

it is tragic whenever someone dies this way, but the reality is that it is avoidable. Bottom line is that a cop can shoot you For various reasons and if you fight back or run you are putting yourself in grave danger.

they are trained to keep the peace, and if you break that piece you might get shot. So don't be stupid. If I get pulled over by the police or whatever I try to be as polite and cooperative as can be. My first reaction isn't to grab his gun or punch or run.

 

 

 

Right.

 

It wasent the guys first reaction. He didnt punch or go for the cops gun. He just ran away. The cops in his car with the guys ID and the car with a passenger in it. The cop had no reason to give chase ... he should have called for backup. Every cop ive seen on CNN or whatever says the same thing.

 

When the guy first ran backup should have been called and the passenger of the car should have been cuffed and placed in the cop car while backup give chase.

 

I guess IMO of the overall situation was a mess from the guy running away but i want cops to have more control over their actions then what this cop showed. He is trained to be the peace keeper and in control of these situations.

 

 

If you listen closely to the audio of the dash-cam you can hear that the cop called for backup as soon as Scott bolted from his car.  That would explain why the black officer arrived so quickly after the shooting. 

 

There should be evidence presented that ties in the time stamps of the dash-cam video and the cell-phone video to better define the amount of time that expired.  A diagram that shows the distance they traveled would also be useful.  Still can't figure out how the cop caught up to Scott with a 20 yd. head start unless at some point Scott decided to surrender and stopped running.  In absence of that occurence there must have been a decent tackle that eluded the video cameras.  If the officer just wanted to gun Scott down for the hell of it he could have done it during the first dash and saved his breath.

 

As for the witness his video evidence will stand but I believe his testimony will be excluded as he indicated prejudice when he uttered the immortal words, "f*cking cops".

[The Unknown Poster]

New Earth. I'm sorry you are wrong. Regardless of this specific situation a cop does have the right to shoot a fleeing suspect of he feels the suspect represents a risk to himself or others. That will be the crux of this case.

I guarantee you, if the cop had not shot and this suspect ran around the corner and killed someone the question would be why didn't the cop do more.

Here's another cop shooting showing cops fighting for their lives. They shot and killed. Not comparing. Just showing a story not getting as much media

http://globalnews.ca/news/1933992/wild-police-brawl-captured-on-video-leaves-one-dead-outside-arizona-walmart/?hootPostID=76879146075ed8205f5d744ee619935e

Ive said from the start that if the cop feels himself or others are imminent danger then yes he can use his gun.

But this is not the case here. The guy was running away and did not have the cops tazer.

The witness said they were in a tussle and the cop was in control untill the guy got away and ran... we dont know if he went for the cops tazer.

The cop had no idea the guy had warrants. Its not like this guy was some young gangbanger dude. The cop had no reason to assume that anybody life was in danger when he ran from the car or ran from the cop after the tussle. The danger to the cop was over when the guy ran away because he had no weapon.

Hence the cop being fired and charged with murder and held without bail.

Attacking a cop and potentially trying to kill him does not represent a person who could be an imminent threat? Let me ask you this, if that cop just shrugged and said oh well he ran off and the suspect rounded the corner and car jacked a loved one of yours, killing them in the process would you still think the cop did the right thing?

Regardless it's not for you to interpret the law, what imminent threat means or if this officer was lawfully permitted to use his weapon under the circumstances. Because his Defense is likely to be that 1) he had the legal right to shoot 2) having just been assaulted he was felt under threat

I've been assaulted many times. Been hit with weapons. Had guns pointed at me. Bear sprayed. Etc. sometimes you're a slave to your physical reaction when under threat and pressure. Some people freeze. Some people run. Some people attack.

This certainly isn't murder and I wouldn't be surprised to see the charge reduced though there will be political pressure not to.

[The Unknown Poster]

I've been reading this thread, reading other articles, and scratching my head for the past few days.

Running away from Police is a strange decision to make - sometimes people make strange decisions. Does that mean they should be shot?

I dare say not.

I get that some of you are arguing semantics and commenting on the rights of Police Officers in general - but why defend a cop who shot and killed an unarmed, fleeing suspect?

If you really read the thread you know the answer. The narrative of "oh he was just running away" isn't accurate. Add in the warrants, the assault, the struggle over the stun gun....the bigger picture isn't as near and tidy as originally thought. In a perfect world the cop would not have shot the guy. The victims actions lead to the shooting. The cop made the choice to shoot.

Honestly the worst thing the cop did was plant the stun gun. That's going to be the hint hole in any Defense even if he's innocent. And again by the law this ain't mirder.

[New_Earth_Mud]

 

 

New Earth. I'm sorry you are wrong. Regardless of this specific situation a cop does have the right to shoot a fleeing suspect of he feels the suspect represents a risk to himself or others. That will be the crux of this case.

I guarantee you, if the cop had not shot and this suspect ran around the corner and killed someone the question would be why didn't the cop do more.

Here's another cop shooting showing cops fighting for their lives. They shot and killed. Not comparing. Just showing a story not getting as much media

http://globalnews.ca/news/1933992/wild-police-brawl-captured-on-video-leaves-one-dead-outside-arizona-walmart/?hootPostID=76879146075ed8205f5d744ee619935e

Ive said from the start that if the cop feels himself or others are imminent danger then yes he can use his gun.

But this is not the case here. The guy was running away and did not have the cops tazer.

The witness said they were in a tussle and the cop was in control untill the guy got away and ran... we dont know if he went for the cops tazer.

The cop had no idea the guy had warrants. Its not like this guy was some young gangbanger dude. The cop had no reason to assume that anybody life was in danger when he ran from the car or ran from the cop after the tussle. The danger to the cop was over when the guy ran away because he had no weapon.

Hence the cop being fired and charged with murder and held without bail.

Attacking a cop and potentially trying to kill him does not represent a person who could be an imminent threat? Let me ask you this, if that cop just shrugged and said oh well he ran off and the suspect rounded the corner and car jacked a loved one of yours, killing them in the process would you still think the cop did the right thing?

Regardless it's not for you to interpret the law, what imminent threat means or if this officer was lawfully permitted to use his weapon under the circumstances. Because his Defense is likely to be that 1) he had the legal right to shoot 2) having just been assaulted he was felt under threat

I've been assaulted many times. Been hit with weapons. Had guns pointed at me. Bear sprayed. Etc. sometimes you're a slave to your physical reaction when under threat and pressure. Some people freeze. Some people run. Some people attack.

This certainly isn't murder and I wouldn't be surprised to see the charge reduced though there will be political pressure not to.

 

 

 

I duno....  You seem to debating your point on ifs and buts. Then you switch it to things that happened to you. Kinda makes it hard to discuss the situation with you like that.

 

As of right now and when the video came out the cop was fired and charged with murder and is being held without bail.

 

So maybe they are all wrong and your right.

[New_Earth_Mud]

 

I've been reading this thread, reading other articles, and scratching my head for the past few days.

Running away from Police is a strange decision to make - sometimes people make strange decisions. Does that mean they should be shot?

I dare say not.

I get that some of you are arguing semantics and commenting on the rights of Police Officers in general - but why defend a cop who shot and killed an unarmed, fleeing suspect?

If you really read the thread you know the answer. The narrative of "oh he was just running away" isn't accurate. Add in the warrants, the assault, the struggle over the stun gun....the bigger picture isn't as near and tidy as originally thought. In a perfect world the cop would not have shot the guy. The victims actions lead to the shooting. The cop made the choice to shoot.

Honestly the worst thing the cop did was plant the stun gun. That's going to be the hint hole in any Defense even if he's innocent. And again by the law this ain't mirder.

 

 

Then why is he being held without bond and charged with murder?