Atomic Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 Depends on your definition of rare. There are a couple every year who start and even more who have a significant impact on special teams.Yes I understand it does happen, but not often. Do you have a list of newly drafted rookies who started and made an impact in their first season? I'm pretty sure it's a small list. I'm not talking special teams.My point is we shouldn't bank on any newly drafted rookies starting this year. If it happens, great. But it's not likeky. Not sure why you're getting so fired up about this.
gbill2004 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 Depends on your definition of rare. There are a couple every year who start and even more who have a significant impact on special teams.Yes I understand it does happen, but not often. Do you have a list of newly drafted rookies who started and made an impact in their first season? I'm pretty sure it's a small list. I'm not talking special teams.My point is we shouldn't bank on any newly drafted rookies starting this year. If it happens, great. But it's not likeky. Not sure why you're getting so fired up about this.Because JBR seems to think its likely, and I'm just trying to set realistic expectations.
Atomic Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I agree with JBR that a guy like Waud could start or at least rotate heavily. Demski or Durant would probably start at receiver. Other than that, hard to say. I think a few OL could start too when Neufeld goes down.
gbill2004 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I agree with JBR that a guy like Waud could start or at least rotate heavily. Demski or Durant would probably start at receiver. Other than that, hard to say. I think a few OL could start too when Neufeld goes down. So you don't think Goossen would start over a newly drafted rookie if Neufeld got injured?And I'm not convinced either of those 3 guys start their first season.
GCn20 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I agree with Booch, I don't think Hurl is a lock to be our MLBer. Of course, the Bomber brass is going to say that he will be given every opportunity to play there, and that they think he is ready. It was probably their recruitment pitch to him as well. However, I doubt very highly he is pencilled in as the starting MLBer prior to camp. He will have to earn it, and if he doesn't, the Bombers will not think twice about playing him elsewhere or making him a backup MLBer. That being said though, I don't believe that Hurl played badly at MLBer last year. IMO, he was the victim of team politics. It is fairly well know that Chamblin does not really value NI players. He thought Kilgore was a stud MLBer, and when he turned out not to be, he blamed Hall. At the same time the Riders were trying to protect the fragile ego of Darian Durant who was having a disastrous season. Shifting the blame to the defence for narrow victories against Ottawa and other Eastern division cellar dwellers in an effort to do so. The stats tell the story. During the time that Hurl was in as starting Mike, the Riders had the 3rd ranked defence in the league, 2nd overall in Points Against. This plummeted after Hurl was relieved of his starting position. Hurl's absence was not the only reason for the defensive decline but replacing him sure didn't make them better either. Bottom line, the Rider fans knew they were not watching a high calibre team last year. Instead of putting the blame where it belonged (Durant and recruitment) they decided to blame Hurl and call for a new saviour in Kilgore. Hurl got a bad rap last year. He wasn't perfect but he was a rookie who did not at all look out of place. I look forward to seeing him take a big step forward. Fred C Dobbs, Tracker and Al Bundy 3
gbill2004 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I agree with Booch, I don't think Hurl is a lock to be our MLBer. Of course, the Bomber brass is going to say that he will be given every opportunity to play there, and that they think he is ready. It was probably their recruitment pitch to him as well. However, I doubt very highly he is pencilled in as the starting MLBer prior to camp. He will have to earn it, and if he doesn't, the Bombers will not think twice about playing him elsewhere or making him a backup MLBer. That being said though, I don't believe that Hurl played badly at MLBer last year. IMO, he was the victim of team politics. It is fairly well know that Chamblin does not really value NI players. He thought Kilgore was a stud MLBer, and when he turned out not to be, he blamed Hall. At the same time the Riders were trying to protect the fragile ego of Darian Durant who was having a disastrous season. Shifting the blame to the defence for narrow victories against Ottawa and other Eastern division cellar dwellers in an effort to do so. The stats tell the story. During the time that Hurl was in as starting Mike, the Riders had the 3rd ranked defence in the league, 2nd overall in Points Against. This plummeted after Hurl was relieved of his starting position. Hurl's absence was not the only reason for the defensive decline but replacing him sure didn't make them better either. Bottom line, the Rider fans knew they were not watching a high calibre team last year. Instead of putting the blame where it belonged (Durant and recruitment) they decided to blame Hurl and call for a new saviour in Kilgore. Hurl got a bad rap last year. He wasn't perfect but he was a rookie who did not at all look out of place. I look forward to seeing him take a big step forward. Nice post. Bombers are paying Hurl like a starter, so I expect him to get every opportunity.
Fatty Liver Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 For me the wild card teams are B.C. and Mtl. I find it hard to believe Wally would be foolish enough to put all of his eggs in the fragile "Lulay basket". With Tedford's NFL connections and Wally's past history of finding good QB prospects, I'm still expecting a surprise announcement any day now.... As far as the East goes it's always a crap shoot but I think Hamilton will be on track from the start of the season and will finish well ahead of the other three. Losing Lefevour to Mtl. however could throw a wrench into their gearbox if Collaros goes down. Masoli at this point is not reliable enough to carry the torch and seems to be easily rattled. The Argos as far as I can tell have done little this off-season to improve their roster so I'm predicting a third place finish due to the inevitable decline of Ricky Ray's ability to shred defences. ORB's will miss the playoffs so that they can happily fire Desjardin and start all over again.
Atomic Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I agree with JBR that a guy like Waud could start or at least rotate heavily. Demski or Durant would probably start at receiver. Other than that, hard to say. I think a few OL could start too when Neufeld goes down. So you don't think Goossen would start over a newly drafted rookie if Neufeld got injured?And I'm not convinced either of those 3 guys start their first season. I'm excited to see Goossen's progression this season so I'm not sure, but I believe that there are a few OL in this draft who are game ready and would really push him to earn his place. And I'm not saying they would give up on Goossen or anything like that, just that he is not necessarily a lock to be the 6th OL.
USABomberfan Posted April 13, 2015 Author Report Posted April 13, 2015 I agree with Booch, I don't think Hurl is a lock to be our MLBer. Of course, the Bomber brass is going to say that he will be given every opportunity to play there, and that they think he is ready. It was probably their recruitment pitch to him as well. However, I doubt very highly he is pencilled in as the starting MLBer prior to camp. He will have to earn it, and if he doesn't, the Bombers will not think twice about playing him elsewhere or making him a backup MLBer. That being said though, I don't believe that Hurl played badly at MLBer last year. IMO, he was the victim of team politics. It is fairly well know that Chamblin does not really value NI players. He thought Kilgore was a stud MLBer, and when he turned out not to be, he blamed Hall. At the same time the Riders were trying to protect the fragile ego of Darian Durant who was having a disastrous season. Shifting the blame to the defence for narrow victories against Ottawa and other Eastern division cellar dwellers in an effort to do so. The stats tell the story. During the time that Hurl was in as starting Mike, the Riders had the 3rd ranked defence in the league, 2nd overall in Points Against. This plummeted after Hurl was relieved of his starting position. Hurl's absence was not the only reason for the defensive decline but replacing him sure didn't make them better either. Bottom line, the Rider fans knew they were not watching a high calibre team last year. Instead of putting the blame where it belonged (Durant and recruitment) they decided to blame Hurl and call for a new saviour in Kilgore. Hurl got a bad rap last year. He wasn't perfect but he was a rookie who did not at all look out of place. I look forward to seeing him take a big step forward. Let's also not forget he missed almost all the 2nd half of last year, and Sunseri and Doege are garbage and that D wasn't gonna look so good bein on the field all the time. Honestly I don't know what to expect of Hurl, I think it's gonna be up to an effective D-line in front of him to get better production out of him.
Tracker Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 This has to be Goossen's year to step forward and claim a starter's role, or he will start to be seen as another draft choice who didn't pan out. If he and Neufeld are able to be good starters along with Greaves and Picard, a lot of our problems will go away.
Noeller Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 BC is going to surprise. Really feel like they'll be very competitive this year.
kelownabomberfan Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 Hoping that O'Shea's second year is a lot like Paul Maurice's second year. IC Khari and SPuDS 2
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 14 wins and a ticket to the big dance where we win. Which completes my prognostication of 2015 being the year we win the Stanley Cup and the Grey CUp in the same year.
DR. CFL Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I expect that the season will start on schedule. I expect that who starts or does not start will be predicated on training camp, injuries and the ratio. I expect that people may continue to base predictions on unfounded hopes. As my wise friend often reminded me "hope is not a plan".
GCn20 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 BC is going to surprise. Really feel like they'll be very competitive this year. Can't count out a Wally run team, but I really think he is in denial about Lulay's long term viability. It reminds me of when Joe Mack kept telling us that this year Buck would stay healthy. Without Glenn to give them serviceable QBing this year, and with Tedford needing to refresh his CFL knowledge, I just don't see BC as a legit contender this year without Lulay....and I just don't see a healthy Lulay in BC's future.
johnzo Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I think USA has it right. We'll be better than BC and Saskatchewan but I don't think we've caught Calgary and Edmonton yet.
rebusrankin Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I think we can finish ahead of Saskatchewan and B.C. Edmonton is likely ahead of us but may fall back to earth a little. Calgary is still top of the CFL however imo.
JuranBoldenRules Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I agree with JBR that a guy like Waud could start or at least rotate heavily. Demski or Durant would probably start at receiver. Other than that, hard to say. I think a few OL could start too when Neufeld goes down. So you don't think Goossen would start over a newly drafted rookie if Neufeld got injured?And I'm not convinced either of those 3 guys start their first season. If the Bombers drafted a guy like Chungh and he joined the team immediately, I find it hard to see Goossen starting over him at any position but centre if it comes down to the two of them. Put it this way, if the Bombers don't get at least one guy and probably more who can contribute this year out of this draft class, the 2015 team is in trouble. rebusrankin 1
gbill2004 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I agree with JBR that a guy like Waud could start or at least rotate heavily. Demski or Durant would probably start at receiver. Other than that, hard to say. I think a few OL could start too when Neufeld goes down. So you don't think Goossen would start over a newly drafted rookie if Neufeld got injured?And I'm not convinced either of those 3 guys start their first season. If the Bombers drafted a guy like Chungh and he joined the team immediately, I find it hard to see Goossen starting over him at any position but centre if it comes down to the two of them. Put it this way, if the Bombers don't get at least one guy and probably more who can contribute this year out of this draft class, the 2015 team is in trouble. Big difference between starting and contributing. And there's a big difference between CIS and the CFL. Goossen has the advantage of experience there, so I'd expect him to start this season over a guy like Chungh.
Brandon Blue&Gold Posted April 14, 2015 Report Posted April 14, 2015 14 wins and a ticket to the big dance where we win. Which completes my prognostication of 2015 being the year we win the Stanley Cup and the Grey CUp in the same year. I don't know. Can Winnipeg afford two victory parades in one year? Mr Dee 1
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