Oilers Win Draft Lottery

[Mr Dee]

If you dont think Burmi has talent, then you're not a very good judge of talent.

Burmistrov is very talented. Perhaps a bit more maturity and a different Coach will make a world of difference in his game.

[17to85]

MacT seems afraid to make trades.  He really must have no game when it comes to negotiations.  They need a strong dealer to right the ship.  They have a ton of assets and still suck.  That speaks to asset distribution. 

No the problem is the depth in Edmonton was so poor that the only pieces that held real value were the ones they couldn't trade. The depth in the organization is getting better, but it's a long process. McTavish has made a lot of dumb dumb moves but he did improve the prospect depth more than Tambellini did. Trouble is with trading is other GMs know he's desperate and are trying to get him to over pay and give up someone he can't afford to give up. He's resisted that temptation and then just before Nicholson forced him to fire Eakins, he also put the brakes on MacT trading one of the big name players. Remember how much talk there was about everyone being on the table then all of a sudden that talk disappears... that was Bob Nicholson taking over the team keeping them from doing something stupid. 

 

McTavish at this point is a dead man walking. He will either be fired or he'll be so neutered that he'll basically just be cashing a paycheque. 

[17to85]

 

 

 

and goalies don't have much value in trades either so don't pretend you're going to get anything of value from anyone for a goaltender. 

 

You'll get more from a goalie prospect though.

 

No you won't. Goalie prospects are notoriously flaky and hold little value. There are so many serviceable goaltenders out there every season no one is going to spend big unless they really get their heart set on someone. Goalies are important but they hold about the least trade value of any position. 

 

Thats where adding say Pav to a buff for eberle trade might be enticing for both teams, IF the Jets feel comfortable riding Hutch,  or vice versa,  but if its Pav,  might as well do it while he has even a little value. I think this works for both teams, imo unless MacT is the type of dealer that offers a bag of pucks n a roll of hockey tape,  then maybe we look elsewhere

 

That's a terrible move for the Oilers. Eberle has been the Oilers leading scorer multiple times since he's made the NHL and he's on a good contract with term left. Buff has 1 year left and coming off a poor playoffs, combined with his past laziness issues his value is not nearly what some of you want to believe it is. Pavelec is just another goaltender like many that are on the market. 1 year of Buff + Pavs doesn't get you Eberle.

[The Unknown Poster]

Buff is more attractive to a team that thinks he's the missing piece of a championship puzzle.  Or Philly because they always think they're one player away.

[bigg jay]

Apparently the word is, they're looking at Chiarelli for KLowe's old gig, which was President and head of hockey ops. So MacT would be doing grunt work, but the final word will always be Chia. I'm only okay with this if it means that MacT isn't allowed to make any kind of decisions...

 

Chiarelli has been given Lowe's spot AND MacTavish's!

[Goalie]

President and GM.

[17to85]

 

Apparently the word is, they're looking at Chiarelli for KLowe's old gig, which was President and head of hockey ops. So MacT would be doing grunt work, but the final word will always be Chia. I'm only okay with this if it means that MacT isn't allowed to make any kind of decisions...

 

Chiarelli has been given Lowe's spot AND MacTavish's!

 

And there is much rejoicing in Edmonton. That's a good hockey guy who built the Bruins into one of the top teams in the league. Lots of speculation because of all the Hockey Canada connections that Babcock is going to wind up as coach, but Todd Mclellan is an option too, possibly Claude Julien if the Bruins fire him. Any of those three would be a quantum leap better than Dallas Eakins. 

[sweep the leg]

Edmonton couldn't have had a much better week than they just had.

[kelownabomberfan]

Edmonton's luck is finally turning.  They haven't had a run this good since Gobuty refused to pony up for Gretzky and he was handed to Pocklington on a silver platter.

 

http://www.fiveminutesforfighting.com/2013/08/wayne-gretzky-trade-winnipeg-jets.html

[Noeller]

The Oilers haven't fared this well during playoffs since '06.....hell of a week. The fans have been through a lot and deserve this...

[Jpan85]

When does Chiarelli trade McDavid for Louis Erixsson?

[17to85]

When does Chiarelli trade McDavid for Louis Erixsson?

Probably when McDavid proves himself to be as much of a **** head as Tyler Seguin was and Cam Neely comes to work in Edmonton and runs McDavid out of town. 

 

Never mind that prior to that trade Ericsson was a 70 point player every ******* year. That trade is massively over rated as a blunder. Seguin was a problem in Boston with his attitude and they got a very good return. Just sucks for Boston that the main piece had some injury issues. 

[Goalie]

That's true. Much like Kane here, Seguin in Boston was a head case and caused lots of issues. However, Chiarelli isn't the saviour there until he actually makes some moves to improve the team, Not depth pieces but the kids, one or more will need to be moved. It's just reality really. McDavid,RNH,Draisaitl,Eberle,Hall,Yakupov...Lots of talent but... not lots of size, lots of skill but not lots of grit. 

 

Oilers will have to move some of that young under sized talent out to get better.

 

That group would be good in the eastern conference but not in the west, Gonna have to move a couple of them i think to fill some needs elsehwere cuz trading depth pieces and 2nd 3rd round draft picks won't get the Oilers what they need.

 

Oilers fixed one problem this past week, The management side of things, now they need to fix the on ice problem. 

[17to85]

That's true. Much like Kane here, Seguin in Boston was a head case and caused lots of issues. However, Chiarelli isn't the saviour there until he actually makes some moves to improve the team, Not depth pieces but the kids, one or more will need to be moved. It's just reality really. McDavid,RNH,Draisaitl,Eberle,Hall,Yakupov...Lots of talent but... not lots of size, lots of skill but not lots of grit. 

 

Oilers will have to move some of that young under sized talent out to get better.

 

That group would be good in the eastern conference but not in the west, Gonna have to move a couple of them i think to fill some needs elsehwere cuz trading depth pieces and 2nd 3rd round draft picks won't get the Oilers what they need.

 

Oilers fixed one problem this past week, The management side of things, now they need to fix the on ice problem. 

Oh please not this. Hall is 6'1 he's not small, Draisaitl is a big kid, RNH is around 6'1 as well and not the skinny kid he was when he was drafted. Again not huge but not small either. Yakupov is on the short side but he's stocky and while not big, he's not small either. Eberle is on the shorter side but again, he's not exactly a small player just not a big one. McDavid is listed at 6'1 as well so once again, not huge but not small either. Simply put the size issue is over blown in a big big way. Those players all have their own type of grit as well. They're not grinders who run around throwing hits, but they stick their noses into the dirty areas all the time. 

 

You know what the Oilers really need? They need some guys on the backend who can generate offense. Full stop that is the biggest problem with the Oilers. They lack a serious amount of puck moving ability from the back end and too often forwards are not getting pucks in full flight and it leads to opposing teams being able to defend them easier. Do they have to trade someone? Not right now. Maybe in the future but for next year no they really don't need to trade anyone unless the return is too good to pass up. The biggest thing that will help the Oilers is Klefbom and Marincin continuing to develop and someone like Nurse to be as good as they hope he can be. If they can make a smart free agency signing or get someone in a trade (sort of like the Isles did with Boychuk and Leddy) things look a hell of a lot different. 

 

It is quite frankly sickening to listen to people continually harp on the lack of size and grit arguments which have no basis in reality yet keep getting perpetuated. 

[HardCoreBlue]

 

That's true. Much like Kane here, Seguin in Boston was a head case and caused lots of issues. However, Chiarelli isn't the saviour there until he actually makes some moves to improve the team, Not depth pieces but the kids, one or more will need to be moved. It's just reality really. McDavid,RNH,Draisaitl,Eberle,Hall,Yakupov...Lots of talent but... not lots of size, lots of skill but not lots of grit. 

 

Oilers will have to move some of that young under sized talent out to get better.

 

That group would be good in the eastern conference but not in the west, Gonna have to move a couple of them i think to fill some needs elsehwere cuz trading depth pieces and 2nd 3rd round draft picks won't get the Oilers what they need.

 

Oilers fixed one problem this past week, The management side of things, now they need to fix the on ice problem. 

Oh please not this. Hall is 6'1 he's not small, Draisaitl is a big kid, RNH is around 6'1 as well and not the skinny kid he was when he was drafted. Again not huge but not small either. Yakupov is on the short side but he's stocky and while not big, he's not small either. Eberle is on the shorter side but again, he's not exactly a small player just not a big one. McDavid is listed at 6'1 as well so once again, not huge but not small either. Simply put the size issue is over blown in a big big way. Those players all have their own type of grit as well. They're not grinders who run around throwing hits, but they stick their noses into the dirty areas all the time. 

 

You know what the Oilers really need? They need some guys on the backend who can generate offense. Full stop that is the biggest problem with the Oilers. They lack a serious amount of puck moving ability from the back end and too often forwards are not getting pucks in full flight and it leads to opposing teams being able to defend them easier. Do they have to trade someone? Not right now. Maybe in the future but for next year no they really don't need to trade anyone unless the return is too good to pass up. The biggest thing that will help the Oilers is Klefbom and Marincin continuing to develop and someone like Nurse to be as good as they hope he can be. If they can make a smart free agency signing or get someone in a trade (sort of like the Isles did with Boychuk and Leddy) things look a hell of a lot different. 

 

It is quite frankly sickening to listen to people continually harp on the lack of size and grit arguments which have no basis in reality yet keep getting perpetuated. 

 

Hmmm, don't know about that. I get a heavy dose of the Oilers living here and, as Spector pointed out , apposing coaches regularly make reference to their skill/youth but not much on their work ethic, lunch box type effort.  

Big part of work ethic is getting into the dirty areas and finishing checks consistently which size isn't the only requirement. 

[17to85]

 

Hmmm, don't know about that. I get a heavy dose of the Oilers living here and, as Spector pointed out , apposing coaches regularly make reference to their skill/youth but not much on their work ethic, lunch box type effort.  

 

Big part of work ethic is getting into the dirty areas and finishing checks consistently which size isn't the only requirement. 

 

are you going to actually cite Spector as a guy who knows what the **** he's talking about? He's one of those idiots who thinks grit is one certain thing and it's more important than anything else. 

 

Listen to what Chiarelli said about getting tougher as a team in his press conference. It's not about being big or even hitting, it's about a mentality and that starts from buying into the coaching. No one bought into Eakins who came up with such marvellous quotes as "the perfect game you throw 0 hits because you always have the puck" Hall would skate through a wall if it meant scoring, Yakupov plays physical a lot, I don't think people realize how much of a chip on his shoulder RNH actually plays with... he'll take shots at guys regularly. Eberle does most of his scoring in close to the net, that takes grit. The problem isn't grit or work ethic or anything like that. The Oilers problems were in this order: Eakins, poor puck moving defence and goaltending. Check the point totals of the oilers D the past few years, it's embarassing. That's the difference between Calgary and Edmonton. Calgary has 4 guys who are real strong puck movers they get the puck going the right way and out of the zone. The oilers had soft as baby **** Justin Schultz and Jeff Petry as guys who could move the puck and they stupidly ran Petry out of town. 

 

The NHL game today is all about puck possession and transition. Defensive hockey doesn't really exist, what exists is gaining control of the puck and getting it out of your zone quickly and efficiently so you don't have to play defense. 

[Floyd]

Chiarelli will trade the oilers second first rounder for Lucic... callin' it.

[Noeller]

Chiarelli will trade the oilers second first rounder for Lucic... callin' it.

A goalie, if anything........

[AtlanticRiderFan]

 

Chiarelli will trade the oilers second first rounder for Lucic... callin' it.

A goalie, if anything........

 

 

A goalie or defenceman would be preferable. Those are our two biggest weak spots ATM. If those gaps are filled, I see us being a contender very soon having a generational player and experienced management, and also likely an experienced coach. Haven't felt this optimistic about this team in I don't know how long.

[HardCoreBlue]

 

 

Hmmm, don't know about that. I get a heavy dose of the Oilers living here and, as Spector pointed out , apposing coaches regularly make reference to their skill/youth but not much on their work ethic, lunch box type effort.  

 

Big part of work ethic is getting into the dirty areas and finishing checks consistently which size isn't the only requirement. 

 

are you going to actually cite Spector as a guy who knows what the **** he's talking about? He's one of those idiots who thinks grit is one certain thing and it's more important than anything else. 

 

Listen to what Chiarelli said about getting tougher as a team in his press conference. It's not about being big or even hitting, it's about a mentality and that starts from buying into the coaching. No one bought into Eakins who came up with such marvellous quotes as "the perfect game you throw 0 hits because you always have the puck" Hall would skate through a wall if it meant scoring, Yakupov plays physical a lot, I don't think people realize how much of a chip on his shoulder RNH actually plays with... he'll take shots at guys regularly. Eberle does most of his scoring in close to the net, that takes grit. The problem isn't grit or work ethic or anything like that. The Oilers problems were in this order: Eakins, poor puck moving defence and goaltending. Check the point totals of the oilers D the past few years, it's embarassing. That's the difference between Calgary and Edmonton. Calgary has 4 guys who are real strong puck movers they get the puck going the right way and out of the zone. The oilers had soft as baby **** Justin Schultz and Jeff Petry as guys who could move the puck and they stupidly ran Petry out of town. 

 

The NHL game today is all about puck possession and transition. Defensive hockey doesn't really exist, what exists is gaining control of the puck and getting it out of your zone quickly and efficiently so you don't have to play defense. 

 

It's not Spector saying it. It's other coaches saying it. And sorry but yes, my opinion is the Oilers as a whole need work in the area of consistent work ethic, bringing it every shift, finishing every check. We're both basing our opinions on observation, mine's different than yours.

[Noeller]

If Chia lands a coach with some quality experience, a legit starting G, and at least one quality D to anchor the corps (a large task, to be sure!) then this team immediately becomes a playoff contender...

[Ducky]

With all the top picks this franchise has had in the last 6 or so years, they should be making the playoffs every year already. Absolutely pathetic. Send Eberle to Winnipeg, he'll fit in with the style Maurice has them playing.

[Floyd]

Jets' 1st, Enstrom and a prospect (Armia or Phillips) for Eberle and a prospect (Moroz or Davidson) - that seems like a workable trade.

[Goalie]

Nope.

[Noeller]

Hutchinson, plus either Myers or Trouba, and a swap of picks for Eberle.......that's your starting point.