Election 2015

[kelownabomberfan]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Harper has not been great for this country, he's been good to himself. His attacks on the environment, the veterans, scientists, his disrespect for the Chief Justice for the Supreme Court of Canada and the parliament and its rules has been truly appalling.

...But, he's been good for the economy...and that goes a long way.

What do you like about what he's done with our economy?

Probably all the deficits and recessions. The destruction of our manufacturer sector.

So so far we have Harper running around destroying the environment, and in his spare time he takes flame throwers to Canadian manufacturers and destroys them too. Got it.

I just don't get what you guys hope to achieve with these kinds of statements. You honestly think people are that stupid?

show me what he did to ensure our manufacturing sector was insulated from dutch disease (look it up if you have to) he idid Sweet **** all. He's a bad economic manager.

Carney sure dropped the ******* ball with the monetary policy (not Harpers fault) but Harper sure didn't do much with his fiscal policy to alleviate it.

So who is a better manager? Just curious. Because that's the real question here.

Well we have someone with a piss poor record economically that is trying to pretend our economy is in better shape then it is to get votes promising more of the same

And somone with no track record but is at least addressing the fact that the economy is a problem and has some semblance of an actual plan

And someone with no track record that claims he will balance the budget but cant work out the math.

Not an all star line up but I'll take my chances with the reds.

 

 

With the reds?  You mean Mulcair?  I didn't follow your post.

 

Did you see Trudeau on Mansbridge?

[17to85]

 

 

 

Actually I wish they'd drop the tar or oil from it and simply call it what it really is, bituminous sand. In fact I wish more people really understood hydrocarbon deposits and the differences between them better. Would save me a lot of head aches when I read some of the nonsense people say. 

 

Fraser had to explain investing to you, so you can explain this to the rest of us.

 

well oil is a pretty subjective term at the best of times and tar is something specific itself. I mean there's lots of types of oil in the world and what differentiates them is the kinds of hydrocarbons that make up the mixture. It's not like you mine or drill for oil in the oil sands, what you're getting out is bitumen and it takes processing and refining to separate out the more useful lighter hydrocarbons. That is also why western canada select generally sells at a lower price than Brent Crude or West Texas Intermediate. It's heavier and doesn't have as many of those really useful lighter hydrocarbons. It's hard to explain over the course of a few sentences, but when you see the difference between oil, heavy oil and bitumen it's just so obvious. 

 

I just find that a lot of people really tend to over simplify the oil industry. 

[kelownabomberfan]

 

Do you understand what this actually means?  I've heard it repeated over and over but the truth behind it basically makes everyone repeating it look like a total moron.  This is not something to be worked up about, in fact when this happened, environmental protections on these lakes and rivers actually increased, not decreased.  I can go even further if you like, but I suggest you research it yourself.

 

I don't identify as a conservative supporter but left wing propaganda like this just makes my blood boil, because they know exactly what they're doing.  They are distorting the truth of the matter deliberately to make the conservatives look bad.

The freedom for territories and Provinces to oversee their own rivers and lakes without a Fed. Overseer seems dangerous to me. And this move, coupled with the muzzling of scientists who would be looking at the effects of this lack of protection scares me, and it should scare anyone who would like to think our resources include more than fuel fossils. And would it be a coincidence that this move would likely make it easier for pipelines to be constructed though pristine land?

 

 

You seem easily frightened.

[Fraser]

 

 

 

 

show me what he did to ensure our manufacturing sector was insulated from dutch disease (look it up if you have to) he idid Sweet **** all. He's a bad economic manager.

is that you Thomas Mulcair? Surely you don't buy that argument... Yes a higher dollar is worse for exporting done by manufacturing, but I ask again, how is he supposed to save a dying industry without huge subsidization? 

 

 

lol was I suggesting we prop up the typewriter industry? Manufacturing is a pretty broad term and its far from dying. What the **** do you think get done with raw resources after they are taken out of the ground? people drink the oil and buy blocks of copper to look at? its gets manufactured into end use items.

 

Developing countries have the focus of their economy hacking **** out of the ground. Developed countries make ****. The US has a robust manuacturing sector and that is why they are doing much better than us economically right now.

[17to85]

 

Do you understand what this actually means?  I've heard it repeated over and over but the truth behind it basically makes everyone repeating it look like a total moron.  This is not something to be worked up about, in fact when this happened, environmental protections on these lakes and rivers actually increased, not decreased.  I can go even further if you like, but I suggest you research it yourself.

 

I don't identify as a conservative supporter but left wing propaganda like this just makes my blood boil, because they know exactly what they're doing.  They are distorting the truth of the matter deliberately to make the conservatives look bad.

The freedom for territories and Provinces to oversee their own rivers and lakes without a Fed. Overseer seems dangerous to me. And this move, coupled with the muzzling of scientists who would be looking at the effects of this lack of protection scares me, and it should scare anyone who would like to think our resources include more than fuel fossils. And would it be a coincidence that this move would likely make it easier for pipelines to be constructed though pristine land?

 

You do know that overall pipelines are a better option for transporting oil right? If we don't build pipelines it's not going to stay in the ground, it'll get produced and shipped in some other manner. Probably trucks and trains which spill more and travel through our communities as well. People need to get over this fear of pipelines. Let's focus on making the companies that build and run them accountable for their product rather than trying to prevent them. 

[kelownabomberfan]

 

You do know that overall pipelines are a better option for transporting oil right? If we don't build pipelines it's not going to stay in the ground, it'll get produced and shipped in some other manner. Probably trucks and trains which spill more and travel through our communities as well. People need to get over this fear of pipelines. Let's focus on making the companies that build and run them accountable for their product rather than trying to prevent them. 

 

 

I don't know how many more Lac Megantiques it is going to take before people stop this pipeline paranoia.  It just makes no sense.

[17to85]

 

 

 

 

 

show me what he did to ensure our manufacturing sector was insulated from dutch disease (look it up if you have to) he idid Sweet **** all. He's a bad economic manager.

is that you Thomas Mulcair? Surely you don't buy that argument... Yes a higher dollar is worse for exporting done by manufacturing, but I ask again, how is he supposed to save a dying industry without huge subsidization? 

 

 

lol was I suggesting we prop up the typewriter industry? Manufacturing is a pretty broad term and its far from dying. What the **** do you think get done with raw resources after they are taken out of the ground? people drink the oil and buy blocks of copper to look at? its gets manufactured into end use items.

 

Developing countries have the focus of their economy hacking **** out of the ground. Developed countries make ****. The US has a robust manuacturing sector and that is why they are doing much better than us economically right now.

 

The nature of our economy though makes it difficult to be that manufacturing power. We're isolated, small population in the country, the only close market just happens to be the juggernaut that is the United States so any manufacturing done here is also in competition with the manufacturing done there, and they have a closer proximity to bigger markets than we do sad to say. What this country does have though is a lot of resources and since the world is all about free trade these days it simply makes more sense to produce resources. In a vacuum sure, but we're not in a vacuum, we're stuck next to an elephant that can roll over and squash us. 

[kelownabomberfan]

 

Thanks for the false perched.

It seems the only way you can post your view is to call everything people post as left wing propaganda lies and then to proceed to rant against left-wing nerd-nuts or dribblers or many other such insults. But no facts of your own.

I don't know why you want to get into it, but when you call someone a fool, you better look on your head for a jester's hat, because that is where it is truly tilted.

 

 

Fair enough.  I apologize.

 

I just don't know why you parrot stuff that is blatantly false with no facts of your own (pot meet kettle).  What's your agenda?  I just want the truth, and you seem to only want to state things that are deliberately wrong, for reasons I just can't fathom other than for partisan political reasons.  Sorry if I get a bit worked up, but I just hate it when people lie for political gain.  Which is why Fin Donnelly really bugged me. 

[Mr Dee]

You do know that overall pipelines are a better option for transporting oil right? If we don't build pipelines it's not going to stay in the ground, it'll get produced and shipped in some other manner. Probably trucks and trains which spill more and travel through our communities as well. People need to get over this fear of pipelines. Let's focus on making the companies that build and run them accountable for their product rather than trying to prevent them.

Accountability would go a long way, but when a government goes all in, for for fossil fuels to drive the economy, and that's an argument for another time, then would't it make more sense to absolutely ensure these "pipelines" are thoroughly inspected, overseen and regulated as much as possible, with serious consideration to the land they must access, and the lakes they must encroach? So why less regulations and way less scientists and scientific studies who would work to ensure it's done properly?

Oh, and appointing a Calgary-based petroleum executive (Steven Kelly) to the fed. agency that helps decide if oil and gas pipelines go forward isn't a good start.

[kelownabomberfan]

 

Accountability would go a long way, but when a government goes all in, for for fossil fuels to drive the economy, and that's an argument for another time, then would't it make more sense to absolutely ensure these "pipelines" are thoroughly inspected, overseen and regulated as much as possible, with serious consideration to the land they must access, and the lakes they must encroach? So why less regulations and way less scientists and scientific studies who would work to ensure it's done properly?

Oh, and appointing a Calgary-based petroleum executive (Steven Kelly) to the fed. agency that helps decide if oil and gas pipelines go forward isn't a good start.

 

 

So who, other than Maude Barlow, is saying that there are way less regulations?  And who should the government have appointed to the federal agency, a night janitor at Walmart?  Elizabeth May?  David Suzuki?

[kelownabomberfan]

Liberals now in first place, NDP falling fast.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/poll-tracker/2015/index.html

[kelownabomberfan]

Trudeau thinks small businesses are just a way for wealthier Canadians to save on their taxes

Last night, CBC’s Peter Mansbridge asked Liberal leader Justin Trudeau where he stood on reducing taxes for small businesses.

In his shocking answer, Trudeau showed how out of touch he is when he said that many small businesses are just tax avoidance scams.

It isn’t difficult to understand how he has come to this very negative view of what businesses are if you review the financial disclosure he produced when he became an MP. It shows a dizzying array of numbered holding companies with impressive executive titles for Trudeau that don’t really have any responsibilities attached to them.

Not surprising really since the last Trudeau that had to work for a living was his grandfather. This trust fund kid has spent all his time traveling, even telling one interviewer that he has already visited over 90 countries in his life.

Perhaps we can give him some points for honesty though since in his limited experience, corporations are exactly how he described them — a way for trust fund kids to avoid paying taxes.

It’s just unfortunate for the rest of us that this man who would be Prime Minister, has no idea how hard the rest of us work.

[The Unknown Poster]

@globalwinnipeg: Liberal candidate Joy Davies resigns over pro-pot Facebook comments http://t.co/6QurE8dVbjhttp://t.co/K8LvT7DIP3

[sweep the leg]

Actually I wish they'd drop the tar or oil from it and simply call it what it really is, bituminous sand. In fact I wish more people really understood hydrocarbon deposits and the differences between them better. Would save me a lot of head aches when I read some of the nonsense people say.

Fraser had to explain investing to you, so you can explain this to the rest of us.

well oil is a pretty subjective term at the best of times and tar is something specific itself. I mean there's lots of types of oil in the world and what differentiates them is the kinds of hydrocarbons that make up the mixture. It's not like you mine or drill for oil in the oil sands, what you're getting out is bitumen and it takes processing and refining to separate out the more useful lighter hydrocarbons. That is also why western canada select generally sells at a lower price than Brent Crude or West Texas Intermediate. It's heavier and doesn't have as many of those really useful lighter hydrocarbons. It's hard to explain over the course of a few sentences, but when you see the difference between oil, heavy oil and bitumen it's just so obvious. 

 

I just find that a lot of people really tend to over simplify the oil industry.

Interesting. Thanks.

Isn't the biggest problem with the "oilsands" how much energy it takes to extract it? I don't know too much about it, but isn't a shitload of water used in the process?

2nd question: how different is what we have compared to the shale oil?

[17to85]

 

Interesting. Thanks.

Isn't the biggest problem with the "oilsands" how much energy it takes to extract it? I don't know too much about it, but isn't a shitload of water used in the process?

2nd question: how different is what we have compared to the shale oil?

 

Yes the thing that makes the oil sands difficult is that because it's heavier it's less viscous. Conventional oil you put a hole in the ground it'll flow out easily, what they do with oil sands when they don't just mine it is they drill two holes and inject steam into one which makes the bitumen flow more easily. That's where the water usage comes from, plus the energy required to heat water to make steam. 

 

Oil shale is different, shales have no permeability so even if you put a hole in the ground nothing will flow because the only place you can get oil from is the immediate area around the well bore, so they fracture the **** out of the stuff and create artificial permeability so the stuff can get into the well bore. I am not as familiar with what kind of oil is actually in the oil shales, but even with the fracturing I don't think you recover a ton of the stuff from the rock compared to what's locked in there. 

[Mr Dee]

I don't know too much about it, but isn't a shitload of water used in the process?

Yes, and it's more than a shitload. It's more like shitshitshitload. Then, of course there the greenhouse effect of transporting the water, and waste water, to and from facilities.

[blueandgoldguy]

I like the idea of cbc. A taxpayer funded news source that can report the news as they see fit with out any pressure from advertisers. Its nothing like that in reality though and it definitely shouldn't produce all these dramas and comedies that no one watches at the taxpayers expense.

Pretty much all first world countries have public broadcasters.  Sign of progress.

[blueandgoldguy]

Going back several years, when polls were done of the parlimentary press gallery, the majority aligned themselves with the NDP so calling the media in the country left leaning isn't that crazy of a statement.

 

Consider this one, 2004, 2006 any Conservative candidate who said or had said anything crazy or controversial, tons of media coverage (rightly so), NDP in 2015, not to the same degree.

Nothing more than selective memory.

[blueandgoldguy]

A lot of chatter about how Mulcair is a conservative hiding in socialist clothing. But the best reply I saw was "no he's just a hypocrit who will say anything to gain power".

Lower small business tax. Increased spending. No deficit while accusing harper of unable to balance the budget and we're about to slip into another recession. It all screams "tax increase"

I think their plan is to get elected and then claim the cons took us into a recession so all bets are off. Ie deficit.

I'm pretty sure the NDP, like the Liberals,will raise taxes on the wealthiest Canadians (Libs would create new tax bracket for those over $200,000).

[blueandgoldguy]

Lets see if this gets as much play as pee-gate

@stephen_taylor: Liberal candidate Joy Davies suggests the mothers should smoke marijuana while pregnant. (They shouldn't) #PotBabies http://t.co/nWbWFrAYtN

Peegate got very little attention.  I guess you choose to focus obsessively on some stories more than others.  Confirmation bias.

[blueandgoldguy]

Not just personal success.  The fact the right united and became majority for so long is on Harper.  He's been great for this country.  It will be a real shame if we go back to the Liberals or *shudder*, the NDP.

 

Any talk of dissention is sort of proof as to why Harper liked to keep a united front and have control.  It happens far too often and is pretty predictable in politics where there are party revolts

The right united for 4 years - hardly a long time.  There are many liberals who are right-of-centre.  It 's been clear for a year now that we are headed for minority government this fall.

 

Yeah, it's awful that a party, who when last in power led the country to several consecutive years of surpluses and kept Canada out of a horrible and unnecessary war - negating billions in taxpayers' dollars and hundreds of families' loved ones - might actually come back into power.

 

Tell me, what did Harper and the Conservatives do better than the previous Liberal government?  It certainly wasn't managing the country's finances.  It certainly wasn't a more transparent government.  Nor was it a reduction in the patronage appointments to the Senate.  Our relationship with the US, our most important trading partner, certainly has not grown stronger since the Conservatives have held power.  

[blueandgoldguy]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Harper has not been great for this country, he's been good to himself. His attacks on the environment, the veterans, scientists, his disrespect for the Chief Justice for the Supreme Court of Canada and the parliament and its rules has been truly appalling.

...But, he's been good for the economy...and that goes a long way.

What do you like about what he's done with our economy?

Probably all the deficits and recessions. The destruction of our manufacturer sector.

So so far we have Harper running around destroying the environment, and in his spare time he takes flame throwers to Canadian manufacturers and destroys them too. Got it.

I just don't get what you guys hope to achieve with these kinds of statements. You honestly think people are that stupid?

show me what he did to ensure our manufacturing sector was insulated from dutch disease (look it up if you have to) he idid Sweet **** all. He's a bad economic manager.

Carney sure dropped the ******* ball with the monetary policy (not Harpers fault) but Harper sure didn't do much with his fiscal policy to alleviate it.

So who is a better manager? Just curious. Because that's the real question here.

Well we have someone with a piss poor record economically that is trying to pretend our economy is in better shape then it is to get votes promising more of the same

And somone with no track record but is at least addressing the fact that the economy is a problem and has some semblance of an actual plan

And someone with no track record that claims he will balance the budget but cant work out the math.

Not an all star line up but I'll take my chances with the reds.

 

 

With the reds?  You mean Mulcair?  I didn't follow your post.

 

Did you see Trudeau on Mansbridge?

 

Did you see our country's recent employment numbers recently.  How about the annual deficit the last 7 years?

 

Harper and the conservative party back in 2008 to the Canadian public, "There will not be a deficit."  Seemed to say this every second of every day.  Then, what happens?  Why a $50 billion deficit!  How can anyone claim the conservatives are competent at managing the country's affairs when there was such a dramatic discrepancy between the party's claims and actual reality.

[The Unknown Poster]

As the Conservative's Minister of Propaganda, it's TUP's job to know these things.

Absolutely. I found it quite delightful when some time ago he claimed to be close to centrist on the political spectrum. However, it's become quite clear where he actually stands dutifully posting the latest articles from the staunch apolitical columnists like David Frum and espousing the idea of an anti-semitic NDP party. Oh, and the comments of the mostly left-wing media focusing on such trivial matters of the senate scandal. Mostly left wing? I guess if he actually admitted he is staunchly right wing then we might come to understand the genesis of this thought process. Offhand, I seem to recall CTV news - the #1 news source for most Canadians and a centrist/slightly right of centre platform - currently focusing most of its efforts on the Duffy Trial (a source of tension to TUP), did not fail to provide relentless news coverage of the AdScam scandal that plagued the Liberals. Nor did they show any mercy to Stephane Dion, the Liberal candidate in 2008, hammering him with questions on his controversial carbon plan. Following this, CTV doubled down focusing special attention on that poor quality video Dion had released to the public late in the election campaign.

I guess TUP chooses the relative safety of MBB to champion his cause since it is safe and easy. Few to challenge him; few to dissent in what seems to be a bastion of mostly right wing posters. Posting history would seem to suggest more posts in this thread than in the entire past 6 months of the Bomber forum. Strange for a football site. Why not post some of these thoughts on Skyscraper Forum eh TUP.

Lol

[The Unknown Poster]

@bcbluecon: Have not seen a single media report on the story I broke about NDP candidate Katherine Swampy's gang-banger husband http://t.co/1LFDnh39i1

Whoops. There goes my pro Conservative bias again. Wait is it a bias when I've admitted I vite Conservative? Well yes it's a bias when theeft get their panties knotted over right leaning opinions. Only the left is allowed to have opinions. Like gangsters are cool.

[The Unknown Poster]

Here is a refugee praising canada. Whoops

http://globalnews.ca/news/2215842/syrian-refugee-in-winnipeg-praises-quick-process/