No End Call - CFL confirms it was an incorrect call

[Dragon37]

 

Just watched a bunch of the videos and Adams did step back a bit from the line BUT he was within a yard, as per the rules. The official ... looked to be a yard off the line.

 

In the end though it should never have come down to this the Bombers lost the game largely based on a crappy third and first 10 minutes of the fourth. It is also pretty hard to win games where you possess the ball more than 10 minutes less than the other team. The call sucked and the Bombers deserved better but they shouldn't lose sight of the fact that they had lost that game largely before that point.

I agree our 3rd quarter and well into the 4th we sucked. But when the game was on the line we came storming back, and while we'll never know what coulda been, this was a terrible call that embarrassed the league and infuriated Bomber fans. And potentially took the game away from us.

 

I can agree with that completely ddanger.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

Mistakes are made by refs all the time, always will be.  

 

As a Bomber fan, it is frustrating as hell to watch that happen in the final minutes of a game.   But if you take a step back and look at it, if one play like that means we miss the playoffs, we don't really deserve to be in the playoffs.

 

Meaning the Bombers have squandered many other chances in many other games to put themselves in a position where a call like that could have such a profound impact.  You can really blame all those other plays and squandered opportunities just as much as a missed call.

 

But you can't. All the " other plays and squandered opportunities" absolutely are the teams fault and they should wear it.  The thing is, that game breaking incident wasn't the incompetence of the team, it wasn't the Stamps out playing the bombers, no bone headed coaching mistake- it was 100% on the Zebra on a bllusiht call. They gave that game to Calgary, that is what is infuriating about it.

[JuranBoldenRules]

 

Mistakes are made by refs all the time, always will be.  

 

As a Bomber fan, it is frustrating as hell to watch that happen in the final minutes of a game.   But if you take a step back and look at it, if one play like that means we miss the playoffs, we don't really deserve to be in the playoffs.

 

Meaning the Bombers have squandered many other chances in many other games to put themselves in a position where a call like that could have such a profound impact.  You can really blame all those other plays and squandered opportunities just as much as a missed call.

 

But you can't. All the " other plays and squandered opportunities" absolutely are the teams fault and they should wear it.  The thing is, that game breaking incident wasn't the incompetence of the team, it wasn't the Stamps out playing the bombers, no bone headed coaching mistake- it was 100% on the Zebra on a bllusiht call. They gave that game to Calgary, that is what is infuriating about it.

 

 

Agreed.  The problem with the "shoulda made the plays earlier in the game" stuff is that the cumulative effect of all the plays to that point in the game had put the Bombers in a great position to at least tie the game if not more, and then the official unnecessarily jabbed a pin in that balloon.  There's no reason to shield the official with that crap.  That complete screw-up on the most basic part of the side judge's job took the determination of the outcome away from the players and onto his flag.  The league needs a mechanism to ensure that doesn't happen, to ensure the integrity of the outcome (don't think it happened in this case but a fix would not be hard). They've done it with pass interference after a series of ridiculous end of game incidents.  Let the officiating supervisor or command centre make the right call.

[B-F-F-C]

 

 

 

 

Just watched a bunch of the videos and Adams did step back a bit from the line BUT he was within a yard, as per the rules. The official ... looked to be a yard off the line.

 

In the end though it should never have come down to this the Bombers lost the game largely based on a crappy third and first 10 minutes of the fourth. It is also pretty hard to win games where you possess the ball more than 10 minutes less than the other team. The call sucked and the Bombers deserved better but they shouldn't lose sight of the fact that they had lost that game largely before that point.

 

True but at the same time the team did fight back to get close.  It doesn't matter when the points are scored. Just that they are scored and the refs significantly hurt our chance to tie the game. 

 

That argument is pure hogwash

 

they hadn't lost the game at that point but they were behind. The bad call didn't cost us the game. It may have contributed but it wasn't the sole reason why we lost. 

 

 

just wasting my time.  Haters gonna hate no matter what and the logical will always win out in the end.     

 

 

And logic says that they significantly hurt their chances to win when they only put up 25 yards to Calgary's 137 in the third quarter and spot them and 11 point lead in that time. 

 

They kept fighting and that is great but you simply cannot nap for a quarter in professional football and expect to win. That's too is logic.

 

 

That's absolute BS.  Who cares what quarter the points are scored.  The reality is they did score the points which put them in the position with the ball at the end of the game and in a favourable spot to at least tie the game. 

 

So who cares that they did nothing in the 3rd quarter.  What if they scored 30 points in the 3rd but the Stamps scored 31. Would you use the same argument?

 

The fact is that at the end of the game they had the chance to tie or win.  That you can't argue.    

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

 

 

 

 

 

Just watched a bunch of the videos and Adams did step back a bit from the line BUT he was within a yard, as per the rules. The official ... looked to be a yard off the line.

 

In the end though it should never have come down to this the Bombers lost the game largely based on a crappy third and first 10 minutes of the fourth. It is also pretty hard to win games where you possess the ball more than 10 minutes less than the other team. The call sucked and the Bombers deserved better but they shouldn't lose sight of the fact that they had lost that game largely before that point.

 

True but at the same time the team did fight back to get close.  It doesn't matter when the points are scored. Just that they are scored and the refs significantly hurt our chance to tie the game. 

 

That argument is pure hogwash

 

they hadn't lost the game at that point but they were behind. The bad call didn't cost us the game. It may have contributed but it wasn't the sole reason why we lost. 

 

 

just wasting my time.  Haters gonna hate no matter what and the logical will always win out in the end.     

 

 

And logic says that they significantly hurt their chances to win when they only put up 25 yards to Calgary's 137 in the third quarter and spot them and 11 point lead in that time. 

 

They kept fighting and that is great but you simply cannot nap for a quarter in professional football and expect to win. That's too is logic.

 

 

That's absolute BS.  Who cares what quarter the points are scored.  The reality is they did score the points which put them in the position with the ball at the end of the game and in a favourable spot to at least tie the game. 

 

So who cares that they did nothing in the 3rd quarter.  What if they scored 30 points in the 3rd but the Stamps scored 31. Would you use the same argument?

 

The fact is that at the end of the game they had the chance to tie or win taken away from them by a third party.  That you can't argue.    

 

 

FIFY

[Rich]

 

 

 

 

 

Just watched a bunch of the videos and Adams did step back a bit from the line BUT he was within a yard, as per the rules. The official ... looked to be a yard off the line.

 

In the end though it should never have come down to this the Bombers lost the game largely based on a crappy third and first 10 minutes of the fourth. It is also pretty hard to win games where you possess the ball more than 10 minutes less than the other team. The call sucked and the Bombers deserved better but they shouldn't lose sight of the fact that they had lost that game largely before that point.

 

True but at the same time the team did fight back to get close.  It doesn't matter when the points are scored. Just that they are scored and the refs significantly hurt our chance to tie the game. 

 

That argument is pure hogwash

 

they hadn't lost the game at that point but they were behind. The bad call didn't cost us the game. It may have contributed but it wasn't the sole reason why we lost. 

 

 

just wasting my time.  Haters gonna hate no matter what and the logical will always win out in the end.     

 

 

And logic says that they significantly hurt their chances to win when they only put up 25 yards to Calgary's 137 in the third quarter and spot them and 11 point lead in that time. 

 

They kept fighting and that is great but you simply cannot nap for a quarter in professional football and expect to win. That's too is logic.

 

 

That's absolute BS.  Who cares what quarter the points are scored.  The reality is they did score the points which put them in the position with the ball at the end of the game and in a favourable spot to at least tie the game. 

 

So who cares that they did nothing in the 3rd quarter.  What if they scored 30 points in the 3rd but the Stamps scored 31. Would you use the same argument?

 

The fact is that at the end of the game they had the chance to tie or win.  That you can't argue.    

 

 

This is kind of the point.   If that incorrect call was made in the 2nd quarter, then people wouldn't be blaming it as the reason the Bombers lost the game.

 

Yes it was a horrible call.  Yes it probably cost the Bombers points and potentially cost the Bombers the win or a chance to go to OT.    

 

But it wasn't the only reason why we lost.

[Mr Dee]

All others factors were something we could do something about. This was something that stands alone.

There is nothing we could have done, or should have done. That's the way the game unfolded.

But, this is a league embarrassment...and it happened to us, at a time that hurt us the most.

I really don't understand how we could have pissed off the football karma god so much...

[blueingreenland]

This thread is about the ref's blown call, not about the Bombers lack of production up until that point (yes, they were not up by 30 points but they were in a position to tie or win - the refs made that difficult to improbable). If you want to further comment about the Bombers play, please use another thread. Stay on topic please...

[iso_55]

This thread is about the ref's blown call, not about the Bombers lack of production up until that point (yes, they were not up by 30 points but they were in a position to tie or win - the refs made that difficult to improbable). If you want to further comment about the Bombers play, please use another thread. Stay on topic please...

Stay on topic, please. LOL!

[Dascow]

 

 

That's absolute BS.  Who cares what quarter the points are scored.  The reality is they did score the points which put them in the position with the ball at the end of the game and in a favourable spot to at least tie the game. 

 

So who cares that they did nothing in the 3rd quarter.  What if they scored 30 points in the 3rd but the Stamps scored 31. Would you use the same argument?

 

The fact is that at the end of the game they had the chance to tie or win.  That you can't argue.    

 

 

This is kind of the point.   If that incorrect call was made in the 2nd quarter, then people wouldn't be blaming it as the reason the Bombers lost the game.

 

Yes it was a horrible call.  Yes it probably cost the Bombers points and potentially cost the Bombers the win or a chance to go to OT.    

 

But it wasn't the only reason why we lost.

 

But that's the thing.  If that call gets made in the 2nd quarter, then the Bombers would at least have a chance to make up for it.  When that call happens on 3rd down with 40 seconds left in the game, it takes the game out of the Bombers hands and into the refs.

 

You make that call at that time at that spot on the field and you basically give the other team the game.  At that point they had a chance, but that chance was taken away.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just watched a bunch of the videos and Adams did step back a bit from the line BUT he was within a yard, as per the rules. The official ... looked to be a yard off the line.

 

In the end though it should never have come down to this the Bombers lost the game largely based on a crappy third and first 10 minutes of the fourth. It is also pretty hard to win games where you possess the ball more than 10 minutes less than the other team. The call sucked and the Bombers deserved better but they shouldn't lose sight of the fact that they had lost that game largely before that point.

 

True but at the same time the team did fight back to get close.  It doesn't matter when the points are scored. Just that they are scored and the refs significantly hurt our chance to tie the game. 

 

That argument is pure hogwash

 

they hadn't lost the game at that point but they were behind. The bad call didn't cost us the game. It may have contributed but it wasn't the sole reason why we lost. 

 

 

just wasting my time.  Haters gonna hate no matter what and the logical will always win out in the end.     

 

 

And logic says that they significantly hurt their chances to win when they only put up 25 yards to Calgary's 137 in the third quarter and spot them and 11 point lead in that time. 

 

They kept fighting and that is great but you simply cannot nap for a quarter in professional football and expect to win. That's too is logic.

 

 

That's absolute BS.  Who cares what quarter the points are scored.  The reality is they did score the points which put them in the position with the ball at the end of the game and in a favourable spot to at least tie the game. 

 

So who cares that they did nothing in the 3rd quarter.  What if they scored 30 points in the 3rd but the Stamps scored 31. Would you use the same argument?

 

The fact is that at the end of the game they had the chance to tie or win.  That you can't argue.    

 

 

This is kind of the point.   If that incorrect call was made in the 2nd quarter, then people wouldn't be blaming it as the reason the Bombers lost the game.

 

Yes it was a horrible call.  Yes it probably cost the Bombers points and potentially cost the Bombers the win or a chance to go to OT.    

 

But it wasn't the only reason why we lost.

 

 

It was not the only reason we lost- absolutely agree. As with any game plays are left on the field, mistakes are made, and the other team just out plays you. But this no-end penalty was someone else's cuss up that took away our chance at tying up or even winning the game. 

 

Also I am not sure you can move the timing of that bad call- the timing of that bone-head phantom penalty is at the crux of the matter and actually magnifies that phantom penalty . 

[The Unknown Poster]

When it happens multiples the damage done. If it's the third play of the game then it's really no harm done. But at that juncture it ended the game.

It's easy to say the Bombers put themselves in that situation and it's true but what if it was a great game and within three points and it happens? It was critical for the bombers at a critical time of a critical game.

Imagine that ending a grey cup?

I don't know why remedy there can be for something like that. Give us a point? I don't know.

[Dascow]

There is no remedy.  We just have to suck it up like we have multiple other times this has happened in the last 5 years.

 

I would really like to know what the stats are for the last 5 years of statements made by the league for blown calls, per team.

[Rich]

Yes, I agree with you all.  The timing of the call was the worst it could possibly be for the Bombers.  I'm not happy about it all, pissed off about it just like everyone else.

 

I'd also still like to know why that flag was thrown after the play and after the linesmen ran in to talk to the other official. 

 

But I don't believe it was a conspiracy theory.  It was a horrible mistake by an official. And I hope that official is demoted and / or fired or whatever they do to punish them.  And to TUP, I hope to hell that official isn't officiating the Grey Cup.

 

These things will always happen because the officials are human and are going to make mistakes.  As a team you have no control over that.  The only thing you have control over is to not be in a position where it has such a profound effect on your season.  This mistake could have cost us a playoff spot.   But we put ourselves in that position to have that profound of an effect.

 

And it does seem we get the short end of the stick more than anyone else.

[DR. CFL]

Coaches will tell you that there maybe 5 or 6 defining plays in a game. Clearly that was one, clearly an error on the part of the officials. Perhaps we could review the entire game and find more of those defining plays, some that too might be attributable to the officials. We all had a disputable exam question that we brought into question with a teacher. We all heard the same response...." Would you like me to review the entire exam?" Reflect back to the Canadian BBall game and the questionable call with a split second to go in the game. The consensus was and basically by all....we...they didn't play well enough to win.....did the a Bombers ?

[B-F-F-C]

Coaches will tell you that there maybe 5 or 6 defining plays in a game. Clearly that was one, clearly an error on the part of the officials. Perhaps we could review the entire game and find more of those defining plays, some that too might be attributable to the officials. We all had a disputable exam question that we brought into question with a teacher. We all heard the same response...." Would you like me to review the entire exam?" Reflect back to the Canadian BBall game and the questionable call with a split second to go in the game. The consensus was and basically by all....we...they didn't play well enough to win.....did the a Bombers ?

 

Grrrrrrrrrr...this is getting old.  They played well enough to be within 3 points and in a position to tie or win late in the game.  I honestly don't get your argument. 

[DR. CFL]

Yes they did. My point was what other plays may or may not have contributed to them having won the game outright?

[B-F-F-C]

Yes they did. My point was what other plays may or may not have contributed to them having won the game outright?

 

True enough but the blown call was a definitive factor.  You could say that if we just converted on that 2nd and 5 or what if Bastien made that catch.  Those were all "what ifs" but the blown call was more measurable than the previous examples.  

 

All in all an entertaining game but the final result stings more than normal.     

[Blueandgold]

Giving us back our first might be excessive, but they should definitely trade it for a second.

[Geebrr]

What makes this one so bad is how basic of a call was just completely botched. At least with the Richardson fumble and whistle debacle in 2010 the rule was pretty vague and unclear. It was understandable that a mistake could be made. This one is just pathetic.

What about the Kevin Glenn fumble (he was on Hamilton when he fumbled)?

[holoman]

 

What makes this one so bad is how basic of a call was just completely botched. At least with the Richardson fumble and whistle debacle in 2010 the rule was pretty vague and unclear. It was understandable that a mistake could be made. This one is just pathetic.

What about the Kevin Glenn fumble (he was on Hamilton when he fumbled)?

 

You'll have to be specific on him, as he fumbled a lot.

[Geebrr]

CFL admits it blew call 0

KIRK PENTON, QMI Agency

Monday, July 19, 2010 11:55:35 EDT PM

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The CFL has admitted it made a mistake during Friday night's game between the Winnipeg Blue Bombers and Hamilton Tiger-Cats.

Tom Higgins, the league's director of officiating, said Monday the league's replay command centre officials erred when they reviewed a Bomber challenge that Ticats quarterback Kevin Glenn fumbled on a third-quarter run at Ivor Wynne Stadium.

Glenn took off running with six minutes left in the third and the Ticats leading 14-0. Bomber defensive tackle Deji Oduwole hit Glenn at Winnipeg's 21-yard line, popping the ball loose. The on-field officials blew the play dead because they felt Glenn was down by contact, but Winnipeg's Don Oramasionwu fell on the ball shortly after the whistle anyway.

The rule book states that if a team challenges the call, it's deemed a fumble and their own player fell on the ball "directly and immediately" - even if it's after the whistle - then the squad that recovered takes possession.

That's exactly what happened on Friday night, but the replay officials in Toronto didn't see it that way.

"This is going to go down as an incorrect ruling, because we didn't allow enough time," Higgins said. It's believed those in the command centre watched the replay in slow motion, which Higgins said "distorts reality."

"When it went to the command centre, they ruled that it was a fumble," Higgins said. "But they were looking at the second aspect of it, which is 'directly and immediately' recovered.

"And that's where we feel we erred. That was the choice of the command centre, and we're not perfect. We take responsibility, and we want to hopefully learn from it."

Two plays later, Glenn threw a 19-yard touchdown pass to Maurice Mann that gave the Ticats a 21-0 lead. Hamilton went on to win the game 28-7.

From here on out, Higgins noted, "we're going to add time to it as far as the interpretation of 'immediately and directly.' "

Higgins said the replay command centre reviewed 90 plays during the 2009 season and made two mistakes. He wants fans to trust instant replay despite Friday's error.

"It's a shame, because that's what we have replay for," Higgins said. "People now are losing faith in the fact that it can't get it done. It's still human. There's a human element to it and it's disappointing that it happens, but we deal with it. We move on.

"We know there's going to be some other mistakes that are going to occur. We hope that we can minimize them."

[Geebrr]

By the way, I can't remember any team getting a delay of game penalty for a coach throwing a challenge flag on a non challengable play--despite it happening a lot.

Can't remember any team.... Except Doug Berry and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

[Dascow]

By the way, I can't remember any team getting a delay of game penalty for a coach throwing a challenge flag on a non challengable play--despite it happening a lot.

Can't remember any team.... Except Doug Berry and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

There was a call either last year or two years ago that was made against the Bombers that was so obscure, that I had never heard it called before that game and I haven't heard it called since.  Damn, I wish I could remember what that ridiculous call was...

[Jacquie]

By the way, I can't remember any team getting a delay of game penalty for a coach throwing a challenge flag on a non challengable play--despite it happening a lot.

Can't remember any team.... Except Doug Berry and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

 

Tedford threw a challenge flag after an Eskimos TD had already been reviewed and was penalized for doing so on Saturday. And it's happened a number of times - you just can't remember them because they didn't involve the Bombers.