The Unknown Poster Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 Ottawa's position might be that the GM didnt have the authority to allow talks. Seems an easy solution for the future - have compensation written in the contract or not.
M.O.A.B. Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 I predict, Buono will end up with Berry and Marshall as his OC and DC respectively.
Brandon Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 Lawless was talking about this earlier this morning. Made it seem like Ottawa has a huge upper hand purely based on the legal side of contracts. This could get ugly, I see Edmonton having no leg to stand on and most likely they will have to give up something. First round pick for two seasons seems fair to me.
Brandon Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 Allowing coaches to resign and sign with other teams opens a huge can of worms...if that's the case we should poach star players by doing the same thing.
Fatty Liver Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 I predict, Buono will end up with Berry and Marshall as his OC and DC respectively. Wally seems to be dawdling along without an OC while other teams make coaching changes, much like he failed to address his QB situation last off-season, he appears to be losing his edge. Seniority has it's advantages when it's on the other team.
Noeller Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Posted December 14, 2015 Lawless was talking about this earlier this morning. Made it seem like Ottawa has a huge upper hand purely based on the legal side of contracts. This could get ugly, I see Edmonton having no leg to stand on and most likely they will have to give up something. First round pick for two seasons seems fair to me. How is that fair, when there's zero legal precedent.... Mr. Perfect and Al Bundy 2
Mr Dee Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 CFL News – @CFL_News RT .@garylawless so @EdmontonEsks and @REDBLACKS have agreed to mediation on Maas file @CFL #CFL 8:17 AM - 14 Dec 2015 Jax – @jfeliciao funniest comment today re: Maas situation came to me via text: "Well Ottawa is two years old, so this tantrum isn't surprising" Logan007, blitzmore, Noeller and 1 other 4
Mr Dee Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 gary lawless gary lawless – Verified account @garylawless Told CFL constitution does not provide commissioner to void valid contract. He can't force @REDBLACKS to release Maas. Dispute between teams 5:55 AM - 14 Dec 2015 gary lawless gary lawless – Verified account @garylawless Maas resigned from @REDBLACKS contract but that does not provide him right to work elsewhere. Labour law takes precedent over @cfl tradition
The Unknown Poster Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 Im just shocked this was never thought to be contracted before, either in or out. Its one thing to say 'well we've always operated under gentlemen's rules' but surely the lawyers for these teams would object to that.
Mike Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 Ottawa really needs to be careful with what they're doing here. Unless they plan to run their organization by only hiring coaches without contracts from here on out. They're really putting themselves out there to be shunned by the other franchises going forward. sweep the leg, Mr. Perfect, Al Bundy and 2 others 5
Mr Dee Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 David William Naylor David William Naylor – Verified account @TSNDaveNaylor It appears the Esks will be able to proceed with introducing Maas as their next head coach, while compensation matter will be settled later. I absolutely agree with Mike on this one..beware Ottawa what you wish for, this is not an area you want to be front runners in.
JuranBoldenRules Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 Lawless was talking about this earlier this morning. Made it seem like Ottawa has a huge upper hand purely based on the legal side of contracts. This could get ugly, I see Edmonton having no leg to stand on and most likely they will have to give up something. First round pick for two seasons seems fair to me. I'd like Lawless to find the relevant piece of labour law for compensation. Labour law does not cover this. In any regular line of work the employee gives notice and moves on, even contract employees. Precedence will matter too within the industry. Civil law is quite flexible this way. There's no professional sport in North America that compensates for assistant coaches leaving for a promotion.
Guest J5V Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 gary lawless gary lawless – Verified account @garylawless Told CFL constitution does not provide commissioner to void valid contract. He can't force @REDBLACKS to release Maas. Dispute between teams 5:55 AM - 14 Dec 2015 gary lawless gary lawless – Verified account @garylawless Maas resigned from @REDBLACKS contract but that does not provide him right to work elsewhere. Labour law takes precedent over @cfl tradition Is this Lawless' opinion? If he's citing some rule or law I'd like to see it. The govt is not likely to interfere in the CFL's business.
Goalie Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 Best quote I've read about this whole Compensation thing from Ottawa........ So Ottawa is throwing a temper tantrum of sorts here, but what else would you expect from a 2 year old. SPuDS 1
Stickem Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 ....Ottawa is going down a very bad road...They are going to be looked at as a pariah in this league, and will definitely be on the rest of teams in the league ' no discussion with our guys unless we are compensated list'...AND if this flys does Edmonton get to retroactively get compo. from the Riders...This looks like there's going to be a real 'gum fight' with a real loser in the offing..
Mr Dee Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 For those questioning Gary Lawless and his knowledge of Labour law, don't overlook what his name is... Esks1975, Noeller and SPuDS 3
Goalie Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 From the Twitter feed there, it sounds like lots of this compensation talk is media driven, I'm sure Ottawa are being douches here too but.... how much? who knows, It seems like guys like Madani, Lawless even and the sorts are sort of pushing this compensation talk a little bit. Funny cuz the NHL just got rid of compensation for coaches signing with other teams. Gotta admit tho, Never cared for Ottawa and their whining baby QB and now this to an extent, makes them pretty easy to dislike. Not to mention, their GM is a huge ****** too oh yeah and the whole REDBLACKS thing too. YUP. Pretty easy to dislike them. Gonna make it a whole lot sweeter when they basically suck big time next season.
Fan Boy Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 From the Twitter feed there, it sounds like lots of this compensation talk is media driven, I'm sure Ottawa are being douches here too but.... how much? who knows, It seems like guys like Madani, Lawless even and the sorts are sort of pushing this compensation talk a little bit. Funny cuz the NHL just got rid of compensation for coaches signing with other teams. Gotta admit tho, Never cared for Ottawa and their whining baby QB and now this to an extent, makes them pretty easy to dislike. Not to mention, their GM is a huge ****** too oh yeah and the whole REDBLACKS thing too. YUP. Pretty easy to dislike them. Gonna make it a whole lot sweeter when they basically suck big time next season. Hey now. I hate the media for no good reason as much as the next guy but how can you say the media is driving this? Ottawa is driving this. None of this would happen if Ottawa just said "Good Luck" like every other CFL team has years and years. This is ridiculous. Did Ottawa only hire coaches that were unsigned? I don't know this but it would be amazing if they did. This is such a stupid move on their part. anyone with ambition would never sign there if Ottawa gets their way.
Goalie Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 What really makes no sense here is this isn't a lateral move, It's not like Maas is going from OC to OC, he's going from OC to Head Coach... Head Coach and OC technically but last time I checked, Head Coach is a step up from OC. Basically if i was the Mediator, I would go... ok so he was OC in Ottawa, he's now Head Coach in Edmonton, That's a step up... CASE CLOSED. No compensation.
The Unknown Poster Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 What really makes no sense here is this isn't a lateral move, It's not like Maas is going from OC to OC, he's going from OC to Head Coach... Head Coach and OC technically but last time I checked, Head Coach is a step up from OC. Basically if i was the Mediator, I would go... ok so he was OC in Ottawa, he's now Head Coach in Edmonton, That's a step up... CASE CLOSED. No compensation. I assume the issue is that there is nothing in the contract that allows a person to break the contract for a promotion. If there is, then yes case closed. the "gentleman" part, I assume, is that teams release guys for promotions. Ottawa is saying "why should we? We have him under contract".
Fatty Liver Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 Sports leagues in general don't like having their operational rules examined by a court of law, it would be very bad for the CFL if it went that far.
pigseye Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 He's American, he'd be a foreign worker and absolutely governed by provincial and federal labor laws.
Al Bundy Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 First round pick for two seasons seems fair to me. If by some chance you are serious, what should the Regina team have to give Edmonton for taking their Head coach?
Brandon Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 First round pick for two seasons seems fair to me. If by some chance you are serious, what should the Regina team have to give Edmonton for taking their Head coach? They gave permission though. Do you think it would be fair if Steinhauer quit and signed to coach another team despite Hamilton saying no way. You can't just allow people to ignore valid contracts. Morally Ottawa should let the guy go..legally they shouldn't.
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