Mass Shootings San Bernardino

[The Unknown Poster]

You're right, most people would immediately envision a perpetrator with the Jafar beard and some bushy eyebrows, but the actual reality is that here... today in the place that we live, our wacko neighbour's are more dangerous than the 1 in 25000 or so Muslims that turn out to be terrorists. If that's not a point you care to discuss that's fine, but I reiterate that some people here are suggesting that our boogeyman has a face (and probably a beard...) and I'm saying if you want to live in fear you don't need boogeyman, you already have neighbour's.

I dont live in fear at all.  But it doesnt change the fact that those people in Paris, those people in California, when the attacks started and they were in fear, I doubt they were thinking it was one of their nutty neighbors who finally snapped.

[bigg jay]

 

This shooting was a bizarro/hybrid event, a few items that makes this different than the typical Muslim extremist terrorist attack.

1. A male/female team

 

2. No shouting of religious sayings

3. Planned to survive.

4. Was an employee with conflict with coworkers.

 

5. This couple had a young child together.

 

Did they actually plan to survive?  I would think engaging the police in a shoot out and throwing bombs at them would be the acts of people pretty much expecting to be killed.

 

 

There's a couple things that make me think they at least prepared for survival:

 

1) They left a huge cache of ammo & explosives at home... why not bring it unless you think you'll make it back home?

2) The bomb they left in the building had a remote detonator (which thankfully didn't work).  That tells me they planned to be safely away from there when the bomb went off.

 

It's possible that they didn't think the cops would track them down as fast as they did.  The SUV was rented so maybe they thought that even if the guy had been ID'd, they'd be looking for his car, not a rental right away.

[The Unknown Poster]

Oh okay, I thought you meant they planned to survive and get away with it.  Maybe they did.  I agree they planned to escape and get back home.  If I recall, werent the cops at their place and they drove by in the SUV?  I think they planned to get home and perhaps re-load.  But once they were being chased, I dont think they figured they could win the fight with the cops.  If they did, they were nuts.  Which I guess they were anyway.

[Goalie]

Should i say this? Sure why not, what the hell eh. lol

 

Muslims are fine, i have no issues with them, none... no doubt they are a bit scary looking at times and seem to lack a sense of humor and for some reason, don't know how to smile or say hello and thank you or have a good day lol.. Not all but ones that work at KFC, lol 7-11 etc... for sure. 

 

Just last night, we went to KFC/Taco Bell to get some food, went through the drive through, the guy working the drive through was definitely one of these muslims that the media say look evil, he did, can't make this **** up really, after saying just the price of the order and absolutely nothing else to us, we drove of to go home and i couldn't help but think to myself that if these guys just smiled a bit or said have a great day, that maybe just maybe people wouldn't think they would be so scary.

 

Point? not much of one really but... just an example really. I'm not scared of them, i don't know any people who are but... my friends and I all agree that the muslims that you do run in to on a somewhat daily basis, they really aren't the most friendly people around. 

[MOBomberFan]

We can each easily cherry pick shootings throughout the years to illustrate our points. It would be a sad depressing endeavor that would leave us with a great sense of despair for humanity I'm sure. It's especially sad to me that I can type the words mall shooting into Google and a dozen suggestions of different cities and states pop up. Same with school shooting.

I think about all we are going to part ways agreeing on is that no citizen should own or have access to an assault rifle. Whether you think foreign terrorists, Islamic or otherwise, are a greater threat to you and the people you know and care for than home grown nut jobs are... that's up to you.

I actually did get to endure a real life bomb threat at my high school in the year following columbine. It felt pretty real and had zero to do with religious extremism. A real life non-anecdotal reason to believe domestic threats are present and tangible. I could justify my fear of domestic threats, if I chose to fear them. I wonder how many people can justify their fear of foreign terrorists beyond scary images on TV.

[The Unknown Poster]

Should i say this? Sure why not, what the hell eh. lol

 

Muslims are fine, i have no issues with them, none... no doubt they are a bit scary looking at times and seem to lack a sense of humor and for some reason, don't know how to smile or say hello and thank you or have a good day lol.. Not all but ones that work at KFC, lol 7-11 etc... for sure. 

 

Just last night, we went to KFC/Taco Bell to get some food, went through the drive through, the guy working the drive through was definitely one of these muslims that the media say look evil, he did, can't make this **** up really, after saying just the price of the order and absolutely nothing else to us, we drove of to go home and i couldn't help but think to myself that if these guys just smiled a bit or said have a great day, that maybe just maybe people wouldn't think they would be so scary.

 

Point? not much of one really but... just an example really. I'm not scared of them, i don't know any people who are but... my friends and I all agree that the muslims that you do run in to on a somewhat daily basis, they really aren't the most friendly people around. 

Maybe its a language barrier.  People I've interacted with that are presumably immigrants in jobs like those, I have found it to be that many dont speak English very well or are uncomfortable.

 

My corner Mac's, the staff are all super friendly and I believe to be Immigrants as they do have pretty thick accents.  I dont know if they are Muslim.  I could make that assumption.  But they are very friendly.

 

Also, I've seen many people treat them rudely, sometimes subtly, sometimes not so much.  I wouldnt be surprised if some Immigrants choose to "lay low" for fear of getting verbally abused.

 

I've also had the experience where a Mac's worker will be fairly friendly in a general, professional manner (ie. hello, thanks for coming, how are you) and if you give them more than a cursory response (or at least better than no response), they can really open up.  And I suspect its because they have been verbally abused or ignored or victims of subtle racism.  One guy who worked there a long time had a nickname for me, but I cant remember what it was.... Chief?  ****...I cant remember, but he'd always address me as such when I'd walk in and have a big smile.  Because I generally interact in a friendly way with everyone.

[The Unknown Poster]

Agreed that no civilian should have access to a ******* assault rifle.  Until the NRA and the American leadership grow some balls and tell the ignorant gun nuts who whine about their so0called constitutional rights that should actually be irrelevant, nothing will change.

 

Obama is leaving office.  The second term where they have no concern about re-election should be for doing their best to pass unpopular but right-minded legislation.  If Obama had balls, he'd make it his pledge to stop sales of these weapons.  Even if it goes down in flames, so be it.  At least stand for something.

[Fatty Liver]

 

 

This shooting was a bizarro/hybrid event, a few items that makes this different than the typical Muslim extremist terrorist attack.

1. A male/female team

 

2. No shouting of religious sayings

3. Planned to survive.

4. Was an employee with conflict with coworkers.

 

5. This couple had a young child together.

 

Did they actually plan to survive?  I would think engaging the police in a shoot out and throwing bombs at them would be the acts of people pretty much expecting to be killed.

 

 

There's a couple things that make me think they at least prepared for survival:

 

1) They left a huge cache of ammo & explosives at home... why not bring it unless you think you'll make it back home?

2) The bomb they left in the building had a remote detonator (which thankfully didn't work).  That tells me they planned to be safely away from there when the bomb went off.

 

It's possible that they didn't think the cops would track them down as fast as they did.  The SUV was rented so maybe they thought that even if the guy had been ID'd, they'd be looking for his car, not a rental right away.

 

 

They were pretty much crazy if they thought they could ever escape, don't these people watch COPS?

[MOBomberFan]

The one guy looks like Tom Mulcair to me

[The Unknown Poster]

FBI: Investigating California massacre as an "act of terrorism." Watch CNNgo.

[The Unknown Poster]

(CNN)Investigators think that as the San Bernardino, California, massacre was happening, female shooter Tashfeen Malik posted a pledge of allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Facebook, three U.S. officials familiar with the investigation told CNN.

 

But none of the officials said that ISIS directed or ordered the attack. ISIS has called for people worldwide to launch attacks in its name, but isn't known to have claimed credit for what happened in San Bernardino.

 

Bowdich said a number of pieces of evidence pushed authorities to launch a terrorism investigation. He noted some phone conversations between at least one of the San Bernardino shooters and other people are being investigated by federal officials.

 

"This is looking more and more like self-radicalization," a law enforcement official said.

 

law enforcement source said investigators have a greater focus on whether the shooting occurred after a workplace issue with religion.

 

it's not known what connections Malik, who was born and raised in Pakistan and moved to Saudi Arabia around the age of 19, had with any terrorists or groups before the San Bernardino massacre.

 

"There was nothing to show that (Malik) was extreme at all," Abuershaid said. "(And Farook) was a normal guy, in every sense of the word."

 

San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan has said there were indications Farook appeared angry when he suddenly left Wednesday's holiday luncheon at Inland Regional Center, only to return heavily armed.

 

The Farook family lawyers didn't speculate on his reasoning, though Chesley did say that "at some times co-workers have done silly things, like made fun of Syed's beard."

One of Farook's colleagues, Nicholas Thalasinos

, liked to discuss religion and politics. He was one of the people killed in the Wednesday attack.

 

Farook and Thalasinos, reportedly a devout Messianic Jew, once had a "heated, passionate" discussion, said Kuuleme Stephens, a friend of Thalasinos, who had called him at work.

[FrostyWinnipeg]

(CNN)Investigators think that as the San Bernardino, California, massacre was happening, female shooter Tashfeen Malik posted a pledge of allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Facebook, three U.S. officials familiar with the investigation told CNN.

 

But none of the officials said that ISIS directed or ordered the attack. ISIS has called for people worldwide to launch attacks in its name, but isn't known to have claimed credit for what happened in San Bernardino.

 

Bowdich said a number of pieces of evidence pushed authorities to launch a terrorism investigation. He noted some phone conversations between at least one of the San Bernardino shooters and other people are being investigated by federal officials.

 

"This is looking more and more like self-radicalization," a law enforcement official said.

 

law enforcement source said investigators have a greater focus on whether the shooting occurred after a workplace issue with religion.

 

it's not known what connections Malik, who was born and raised in Pakistan and moved to Saudi Arabia around the age of 19, had with any terrorists or groups before the San Bernardino massacre.

 

"There was nothing to show that (Malik) was extreme at all," Abuershaid said. "(And Farook) was a normal guy, in every sense of the word."

 

San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan has said there were indications Farook appeared angry when he suddenly left Wednesday's holiday luncheon at Inland Regional Center, only to return heavily armed.

 

The Farook family lawyers didn't speculate on his reasoning, though Chesley did say that "at some times co-workers have done silly things, like made fun of Syed's beard."

One of Farook's colleagues, Nicholas Thalasinos

, liked to discuss religion and politics. He was one of the people killed in the Wednesday attack.

 

Farook and Thalasinos, reportedly a devout Messianic Jew, once had a "heated, passionate" discussion, said Kuuleme Stephens, a friend of Thalasinos, who had called him at work.

I thought ISIS said they were responsible rather quickly b4 shooters known?

[The Unknown Poster]

Are they going to arrest and charge them?

The media are jackals.

The feds are incompetent.

We’re completely screwed.

That’s the only message we can take from the media’s three-hour tour of the San Bernardino terrorists’ apartment. On Friday, at media request, the landlord of the apartment pried off a board covering the door with a crowbar, and the media, in all of their vulpine glory, rushed forward to feast on material evidence in a terrorism investigation.

MSNBC led the pack, with Kerry Sanders as the tip of the spear:

They showed a driver’s license, pictures of children, Korans. They showed children’s toys and a calendar. They showed shredded documents – all of which is now evidence that has been tampered with, inadmissible in court.

The landlord said that the media “rushed” into the apartment, denying he’d allowed them in. CNN’s law enforcement analyst, The Blaze reports, explained:

I don’t see any fingerprint dust on the walls where they went in there and checked for fingerprints for other people that might have been connected with these two. You’ve got documents laying all over the place; you’ve got shredded documents…You have passports, you’ve got drivers’ licenses — now you have thousands of fingerprints all over inside this crime scene…I am so shocked, I cannot believe it.

The San Bernardino Sheriff’s office told The Blaze he had “no clue” how the media were authorized to enter the premises. CNN’s legal analyst stated, “They turned a crime scene into a garage sale.” A CNN reporter stated, “this is no longer members of the media…there is a woman with a dog walking through the house.” One man caught on camera carried a popsicle out of the apartment.

Where were the authorities? The FBI said, “The search is over at that location.” That, of course, does not mean the investigation is over at that location. Sanders said the FBI had “presumably” removed all relevant evidence, and Andrea Mitchell added that the landlord had given permission to enter – which is irrelevant under California law, since it’s illegal for the landlord to open the premises under these circumstances.

The media don’t care about open terrorism investigations – after all, they’re not in law enforcement. The feds obviously don’t care about the media contaminating the crime scene.

But we’re supposed to trust both the media and the feds.

We have now officially moved beyond the realm of parody. And it’s frightening.

UPDATE: According to a reporter from the Los Angeles News Group, "Det. Dan Elton of @RedlandsPD says no one other than the coroner and family members legally have a right to be inside the home." Well, that didn't stop them, did it?

The landlord has reportedly now been escorted away by law enforcement.

[Mark H.]

Should i say this? Sure why not, what the hell eh. lol

 

Muslims are fine, i have no issues with them, none... no doubt they are a bit scary looking at times and seem to lack a sense of humor and for some reason, don't know how to smile or say hello and thank you or have a good day lol.. Not all but ones that work at KFC, lol 7-11 etc... for sure. 

 

Just last night, we went to KFC/Taco Bell to get some food, went through the drive through, the guy working the drive through was definitely one of these muslims that the media say look evil, he did, can't make this **** up really, after saying just the price of the order and absolutely nothing else to us, we drove of to go home and i couldn't help but think to myself that if these guys just smiled a bit or said have a great day, that maybe just maybe people wouldn't think they would be so scary.

 

Point? not much of one really but... just an example really. I'm not scared of them, i don't know any people who are but... my friends and I all agree that the muslims that you do run in to on a somewhat daily basis, they really aren't the most friendly people around. 

 

Culture barrier, language barrier - new immigrants trying to find their way.  Try to picture yourself in Syria or Palestine right now...

 

My aunt used to manage an immigrant shelter in Winnipeg - it closed a few years ago. She'd like to give you a good piece of her mind right now...

[Mark F]

Try to picture yourself in Syria or Palestine right now...

 

 

 

 

this is it. 

[The Unknown Poster]

Islamic State says California killers of 14 were their followers dlvr.it/Cwtvsn

[Logan007]

Should i say this? Sure why not, what the hell eh. lol

Muslims are fine, i have no issues with them, none... no doubt they are a bit scary looking at times and seem to lack a sense of humor and for some reason, don't know how to smile or say hello and thank you or have a good day lol.. Not all but ones that work at KFC, lol 7-11 etc... for sure.

Just last night, we went to KFC/Taco Bell to get some food, went through the drive through, the guy working the drive through was definitely one of these muslims that the media say look evil, he did, can't make this **** up really, after saying just the price of the order and absolutely nothing else to us, we drove of to go home and i couldn't help but think to myself that if these guys just smiled a bit or said have a great day, that maybe just maybe people wouldn't think they would be so scary.

Point? not much of one really but... just an example really. I'm not scared of them, i don't know any people who are but... my friends and I all agree that the muslims that you do run in to on a somewhat daily basis, they really aren't the most friendly people around.

Culture barrier, language barrier - new immigrants trying to find their way. Try to picture yourself in Syria or Palestine right now...

My aunt used to manage an immigrant shelter in Winnipeg - it closed a few years ago. She'd like to give you a good piece of her mind right now...

Right. Also, think of where and how they grew up. Not exactly the nicest places in the world. Living with wars going on around you, overcrowded country, etc. A lot of them probably weren't taught pleasantries. Also, some of them come here with degrees and because they didn't get them here, have to take crappy jobs and then serve all these fat white people who probably treat a lot of them like they're nothing. For others, that's just their culture.

[iso_55]

Tired of having to apologize for the colour of my skin, my way of life, in the country where I was born. Or for the fact I've never experienced war disease, sickness or starvation in my life. Not every "fat white person" treats refugees badly. 

[Goalie]

Be valid points if they just moved here but most I was speaking of were born here and have lived here their whole life.

Some just aren't friendly. It is what it is. I'm not saying all aren't...just thar quite a few are. I'd say the same about white people too.

Poor Muslims killing innocent people. Aww. Feel so sorry for some of them

[The Unknown Poster]

Lots of people aren't friendly. I don't find Muslims to be more unfriendly.

[sweep the leg]

Tired of having to apologize for the colour of my skin, my way of life, in the country where I was born. Or for the fact I've never experienced war disease, sickness or starvation in my life. Not every "fat white person" treats refugees badly.

How often have you actually apologized for any of those things?

[sweep the leg]

Be valid points if they just moved here but most I was speaking of were born here and have lived here their whole life.

Some just aren't friendly. It is what it is. I'm not saying all aren't...just thar quite a few are. I'd say the same about white people too.

How do you know how long these random muslims who served you at KFC and 7-11 have lived in Canada?

If you'd say the same about white people, what was the point of telling your story?

[max power]

Probably because he comes across a higher percentage of angry Muslims than angry "fat white people". And wow, nice to see the PC Police falling over themselves here to defend the honour of the poor Muslims from about the lightest criticism you can get.

[Mark F]

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[Fatty Liver]

New York Times takes a stand with their first front page editorial n 95 years.  Hopefully the presidential candidates get on board and we start to see the beginnings of the political will to create positive change.

 

End the Gun Epidemic in America

​ It is a moral outrage and national disgrace that civilians can legally purchase weapons designed to kill people with brutal speed and efficiency.

 

All decent people feel sorrow and righteous fury about the latest slaughter of innocents, in California. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies are searching for motivations, including the vital question of how the murderers might have been connected to international terrorism. That is right and proper.

 

But motives do not matter to the dead in California, nor did they in Colorado, Oregon, South Carolina, Virginia, Connecticut and far too many other places. The attention and anger of Americans should also be directed at the elected leaders whose job is to keep us safe but who place a higher premium on the money and political power of an industry dedicated to profiting from the unfettered spread of ever more powerful firearms.

 

It is a moral outrage and a national disgrace that civilians can legally purchase weapons designed specifically to kill people with brutal speed and efficiency. These are weapons of war, barely modified and deliberately marketed as tools of macho vigilantism and even insurrection. America’s elected leaders offer prayers for gun victims and then, callously and without fear of consequence, reject the most basic restrictions on weapons of mass killing, as they did on Thursday. They distract us with arguments about the word terrorism. Let’s be clear: These spree killings are all, in their own ways, acts of terrorism.

 

Opponents of gun control are saying, as they do after every killing, that no law can unfailingly forestall a specific criminal. That is true. They are talking, many with sincerity, about the constitutional challenges to effective gun regulation. Those challenges exist. They point out that determined killers obtained weapons illegally in places like France, England and Norway that have strict gun laws. Yes, they did.

 

But at least those countries are trying. The United States is not. Worse, politicians abet would-be killers by creating gun markets for them, and voters allow those politicians to keep their jobs. It is past time to stop talking about halting the spread of firearms, and instead to reduce their number drastically — eliminating some large categories of weapons and ammunition.

 

It is not necessary to debate the peculiar wording of the Second Amendment. No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation.

 

Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.

 

What better time than during a presidential election to show, at long last, that our nation has retained its sense of decency?