The Environment Thread

[Mark F]

people are just abandoning livestock there. cattle, horses, dogs cats. just left to fend for themselves, right in the path of the fire.

meant

Redding.

temperature 43 C

dropping at night to about 40.

wierd they only have about four aircraft to fight this fire. no water bomber.

I went through this town and area in the fifties, my parents took me there to see shasta dam.

Edited July 28, 2018 by Mark F

[Mark F]

five hundred homes burned down. 

and many other buildings.

fire still out of control.

40 C inside the arctic circle.

all time record rainfall in Japan. 

(CNN)Sunburned? You're not the only one.

According to data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), 2018 is on pace to be the fourth hottest year on record.

Only three other years have been hotter: 2015, 2016 and 2017.

bit of a pattern.

 

Edited July 28, 2018 by Mark F

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Well as i write this we could hit 38c/100f on Sunday.

[Mark F]

15 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Well as i write this we could hit 38c/100f on Sunday.

This weather is awful, combined with the smoke. 

I pity the critters that have to breath that air 24 hours a day.

Just had the thirty straight hottest days (in absolute terms) ever recorded on planet earth.

in Ca. death valley. 

largest fires in Ca history. can't get them out. 12000 fire fighters. 

Edited August 10, 2018 by Mark F

[Mark F]

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Extremely dangerous Hurricane Florence continues to maintain Category 4 strength as it steams west-northwest towards a devasting encounter with North Carolina and South Carolina. Florence is a storm whose strength, impacts, and unorthodox track all point to outcomes that will likely lie outside historical experience for much of the Southeast U.S. The odds continue to increase that Florence will stall on Friday and move slowly west-southwestward along the coast for several days, bringing a devastating rainfall, storm surge, and wind event for a large swath of North and South Carolina.

 

a few years ago, 2015 S Carolina 

Charleston, South Carolina residents are hoping to resume some daily routines after this weekend's historic flood levels — but it's not going to be easy.

With some areas of the city receiving nearly 25 inches of rain in the past two days and many neighborhoods still without power or largely isolated due to deep flood waters, a new round of showers is threatening to hit the city — and wind gusts are expected to increase throughout the day.

Dubbed a "1,000 year rain event" by meteorologists....

Getting pretty close to too late for anything to stop this.

perma frost melting in Siberia would be  the real nail in the planet's coffin. signs of that now being seen.

 

Edited September 12, 2018 by Mark F

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

7 hours ago, Mark F said:

 

a few years ago, 2015 S Carolina 

Charleston, South Carolina residents are hoping to resume some daily routines after this weekend's historic flood levels — but it's not going to be easy.

With some areas of the city receiving nearly 25 inches of rain in the past two days and many neighborhoods still without power or largely isolated due to deep flood waters, a new round of showers is threatening to hit the city — and wind gusts are expected to increase throughout the day.

 Dubbed a "1,000 year rain event" by meteorologists....

Getting pretty close to too late for anything to stop this.

perma frost melting in Siberia would be  the real nail in the planet's coffin. signs of that now being seen.

 

goddamn

 

[pigseye]

http://notrickszone.com/2018/08/30/scientists-now-assert-natural-mechanisms-have-driven-the-recent-retreat-of-the-greenland-ice-sheet/

Think I got schat on by the group thinkers here for posting this theory awhile back, turns out it was correct. Now that Trump has taken the muzzles off the deniers, we should see some real science coming out instead of just model projections. Have a nice day everyone. 

[JCon]

Oh man, the No Tricks Zone is on it. Jig is up everyone. All that "science" is going to be proven bogus. 

 

All the big money environmentalism can't cover up the truth of those poor oil/gas companies. 

Edited September 13, 2018 by JCon

[Mark F]

Pigeye is citing  Donald Trump (😂)

 

Any questions anyone?

Edited September 13, 2018 by Mark F

[Mark F]

17 minutes ago, JCon said:

All the big money environmentalism can't cover up the truth of those poor oil/gas companies. 

 even the oil and gas companies including big daddy of them all exxon, admit that burning oil is the problem.

 

[pigseye]

The oil companies have never done better now that they are playing both sides of the fence, or have they been all along? Hard to believe they wouldn't have a succession plan with a finite resource now would they. 

[Mark F]

The flooding from this hurricane is astounding

https://twitter.com/doseofyei/status/1040502138248544258

Edited September 14, 2018 by Mark F

[Mark F]

https://www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson/watch/north-carolina-dam-collapses-due-to-florence-floodwaters-1322296899663?v=raila&cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

55 minutes ago, Mark F said:

https://www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson/watch/north-carolina-dam-collapses-due-to-florence-floodwaters-1322296899663?v=raila&cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma

That is crazy. 

 

Thanks for the info.

[Mark F]

3 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

That is crazy. 

 

Thanks for the info.

Yeah, this one may, finally be some kind of an awakening.

Guess we'll see.

Alarms bells going off very loud now. 

 

[pigseye]

Okay, I can't take this anymore, you have officially gone off the deep end, right from NOAA so that there isn't any question

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/

Figure 3: Normalized Atlantic Indices. Since the late-19th Century global (green) and tropical Atlantic (blue) temperatures have risen – an increase that was partly driven by increased greenhouse gases. If one does not account for possible missed storms (first red line) Atlantic tropical storms appear to have increased with temperature; however, once one accounts for possible missed storms (second and third red lines) basinwide storms have not exhibited a significant increase. When one focuses only on landfalling storms (yellow lines) the nominal trend has been for a decrease. Figure adapted from Vecchi and Knutson (2008, J. Climate)

Now stop spreading your alarmist bullshit already. 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

57 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Now stop spreading your alarmist bullshit already. 

So.... what bullshit are you referring to? 

They show that an increase in hurricanes is due to better monitoring... huzzah! 

Is it correct? Peer reviewed? Why does this sole data point nullify the avalanche of data supporting anthropogenic climate change and make it bullshit?

 

That is insane.  

 

[Mark F]

8 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

That is insane.

It clearly doesn't show at all what the poster thinks.  

If you look at his own article you find this: (Its a paragraph above the section he quoted)

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Our main conclusions are:

"Sea level rise–which very likely has a substantial human contribution to the global mean observed rise according to IPCC AR5–should be causing higher storm surge levels for tropical cyclones that do occur, all else assumed equal. 

Tropical cyclone intensities globally will likely increase on average (by 1 to 10% 

Tropical cyclone rainfall rates will likely increase in the future due to anthropogenic warming and accompanying increase in atmospheric moisture content

• Very Likely: > 90%,

 

The storm surge from Hurricane Sandy was unprecedented. flooded parts of NY city subway, and destroyed Far Rockaway NYC.

Hurricane Harvey of 2017 is tied with 2005's Hurricane Katrina as the costliest tropical cyclone on record, inflicting $125 billion in damage, primarily from catastrophic rainfall-triggered flooding in the Houston metropolitan area and Southeast Texas.

Florence might be worse. one year later. 24 inches of rain in one day.

exactly what science says will happen.  if you want to attempt to show greenhouse gases do not cause warming, probably don't want to cite NOAA. 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2018 by Mark F

[pigseye]

11 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

So.... what bullshit are you referring to? 

They show that an increase in hurricanes is due to better monitoring... huzzah! 

Is it correct? Peer reviewed? Why does this sole data point nullify the avalanche of data supporting anthropogenic climate change and make it bullshit?

 

That is insane.  

 

What is insane, the only thing unprecedented is the long 12-year period from 2005 to 2017 which saw not a single major hurricane hitting the US. This is probably the most devastating and frustrating fact for the global warming ambulance chasers. That’s a glaring statistic that’s impossible to alter. The frequency and intensity of major landfall hurricanes hitting the eastern seaboard is declining, end of story. https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/10.1175/BAMS-D-17-0184.1

The real data isn't supporting the model projections at this time, so quit making **** up. 

[pigseye]

3 hours ago, Mark F said:

It clearly doesn't show at all what the poster thinks.  

If you look at his own article you find this: (Its a paragraph above the section he quoted)

The storm surge from Hurricane Sandy was unprecedented. flooded parts of NY city subway, and destroyed Far Rockaway NYC.

Hurricane Harvey of 2017 is tied with 2005's Hurricane Katrina as the costliest tropical cyclone on record, inflicting $125 billion in damage, primarily from catastrophic rainfall-triggered flooding in the Houston metropolitan area and Southeast Texas.

Florence might be worse. one year later. 24 inches of rain in one day.

exactly what science says will happen.  if you want to attempt to show greenhouse gases do not cause warming, probably don't want to cite NOAA. 

 

 

Again, model projections and actual data are not the same thing. Right now, the actual data isn't supporting the model projections and until it does, what you are claiming is just hot air so stop it. 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

1 minute ago, pigseye said:

Again, model projections and actual data are not the same thing. Right now, the actual data isn't supporting the model projections and until it does, what you are claiming is just hot air so stop it. 

I don't think you know how model projections work...

[pigseye]

10 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

I don't think you know how model projections work...

I know the difference between fact and theory, do you? 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

10 minutes ago, pigseye said:

I know the difference between fact and theory, do you? 

So then, what is the difference?

Please explain, cuz I don't think you understand how science works. 

Edited September 19, 2018 by wanna-b-fanboy

[pigseye]

5 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

So then, what is the difference?

Please explain, cuz I don't think you understand how science works. 

Are you serious?

Ever heard of the scientific method?

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When conducting research, scientists use the scientific method to collect measurable, empirical evidence in an experiment related to a hypothesis(often in the form of an if/then statement), the results aiming to support or contradict a theory.

The measurable evidence (frequency/intensity of hurricanes) does not support the hypothesis (global warming will cause more frequent and severe hurricanes).

Are you a science denier? 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

4 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Are you serious?

Ever heard of the scientific method?

The measurable evidence (frequency/intensity of hurricanes) does not support the hypothesis (global warming will cause more frequent and severe hurricanes).

Are you a science denier? 

What is the definition of fact and that of theory?