The Environment Thread

[Mama Fresco]

6 hours ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

I'm actually surprised how developed India is but I guess 1.3 billion people with a light or two each will do that.

So am I.  But I would have thought China would have been brighter than it is.   

[Wideleft]

Pelly Island is an uninhabited Island northwest of Tuktoyaktuk. Scientists have been tracking the erosion and estimate the coastline is washing away at a rate of 30-40 metres every year. Scientist Dustin Whalen,with Natural Resources Canada, is one of the people trying to document how quickly the shoreline is disappearing. 

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-october-13-2017-1.4352029/why-homes-along-arctic-coastline-are-at-risk-of-falling-into-the-ocean-1.4352216

 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

 

[pigseye]

Why was it so warm in 1875 and 1958? I will give you a hint ITCZ.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

11 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Why was it so warm in 1875 and 1958? I will give you a hint ITCZ.

Cool! So how about Oct 2017 in Winnipeg?  Come- regale me with your musing on science! I NEED to hear what Anthony Watts' thoughts are on the matter! I mean surely a blog run by a veteran meteorologist of 25 years has the inside track that scientists have missed.

FFS- talking to you is like talking to the rapper B.O.B. about the shape of the Earth. You know- I am sure he would like your support:

https://www.gofundme.com/showBoBthecurve

 

 

 

[pigseye]

Watts is a fool.

Tyson is not,

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Only a few centuries ago, a mere second in cosmic time, we knew nothing of where or when we were. Oblivious to the rest of the cosmos, we inhabited a kind of prison, a tiny universe bounded by a nutshell. 

How did we escape from the prison? It was the work of generations of searchers who took five simple rules to heart.

(1) Question authority. No idea is true just because someone says so, including me. 

(2) Think for yourself. Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so. 

(3) Test ideas by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well-designed test, it's wrong. Get over it. 

(4) Follow the evidence wherever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgment. 

And perhaps the most important rule of all...

(5) Remember: you could be wrong. Even the best scientists have been wrong about some things. Newton, Einstein, and every other great scientist in history -- they all made mistakes. Of course they did. They were human. 

Science is a way to keep from fooling ourselves, and each other.

 

http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2014/06/five-simple-rules-of-science-from-neil-degrasse-tyson.html

 

Edited October 27, 2017 by pigseye
because

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

3 hours ago, pigseye said:

Watts is a fool.

Tyson is not,

http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2014/06/five-simple-rules-of-science-from-neil-degrasse-tyson.html

 

“If you’re in denial of global warming, you’re in denial of objective scientific truths, That’s not a political stance, that’s an ignorant stance.”

-Neil deGrasse Tyson

[Mark F]

9 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

“If you’re in denial of global warming, you’re in denial of objective scientific truths, That’s not a political stance, that’s an ignorant stance.”

-Neil deGrasse Tyson

funny, no response to this. 

Maybe busy searching through the Exxon    "open minded skeptical" web pages for some  dodge explanation.

Edited October 27, 2017 by Mark F

[pigseye]

Global warming is real, the temperature has risen 0.4C in the last 100 years, pretty hard to argue that.

[blue_gold_84]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/co2-levels-record-1.4378091

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The UN weather agency is warning that carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere increased at record-breaking speed last year.

World Meteorological Organization Secretary-General Petteri Taalas says rapid cuts to CO2 and other greenhouse gases are needed to avoid "dangerous temperature increases" by 2100 that would far surpass targets set in the Paris climate accord.

He says "we are actually moving in the wrong direction."

The latest WMO Greenhouse Gas Bulletin released Monday says a strong El Nino and human activity contributed to an increase of CO2 concentrations to 403.3 parts per million last year, up from 400 in 2015.

"As far as direct and proxy observations can tell, such abrupt changes in the atmospheric levels of CO2 have never before been seen," the bulletin states.

WMO says the report breaks ground by showing the "global picture" on carbon levels. It hopes that will contribute to debate at a major climate conference in Bonn, Germany, starting next week.

 

[Mark F]

record growth of CO2 in 2016.

 

It's Going to take a lot more than the "free market", to get anything meaningful accomplished.

 

Edited October 30, 2017 by Mark F

[blue_gold_84]

"Nah, a carbon tax will fix everything," said nobody ever.

[pigseye]

On ‎30‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 12:15 PM, Mark F said:

record growth of CO2 in 2016.

 

It's Going to take a lot more than the "free market", to get anything meaningful accomplished.

 

Growth in CO2 emissions had been flat for the past 4 years, unfortunately we forgot to tell that to the El Nino. Let's not crap all over the progress that has been made recently because some alarmists want to get everyone all worked up again.

 https://www.skepticalscience.com/new-data-hope-meeting-paris-targets.html

 

[Mark F]

Trump representatives at climate conference this week are going to promote coal as the solution to climate change catastrophe.

 

hard to fathom the depth and breadth of his stupidity.

Edited November 6, 2017 by Mark F

[pigseye]

The Russian model is the only one that came close to matching the recorded data.

https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2017/10/02/climate-model-upgraded-inmcm5-under-the-hood/

 

[pigseye]

Score one for the good guys, the end is near.

http://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/

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Penn State climate scientist, Michael ‘hockey stick’ Mann commits contempt of court in the ‘climate science trial of the century.’ Prominent alarmist shockingly defies judge and refuses to surrender data for open court examination. Only possible outcome: Mann’s humiliation, defeat and likely criminal investigation in the U.S.

 

[pigseye]

This is perfect, just last year it was climate change melting the west Antarctic https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/science/global-warming-antarctica-ice-sheet-sea-level-rise.html

But today, NASA has found a volcanic plume that is responsible https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/nasa-discovers-mantle-plume-almost-as-hot-as-yellowstone-supervolcano-thats-melting-antarctica-from-below/ar-BBEKnQy?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Like rats from a sinking ship.

 

[Fatty Liver]

3 hours ago, pigseye said:

This is perfect, just last year it was climate change melting the west Antarctic https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/science/global-warming-antarctica-ice-sheet-sea-level-rise.html

But today, NASA has found a volcanic plume that is responsible https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/nasa-discovers-mantle-plume-almost-as-hot-as-yellowstone-supervolcano-thats-melting-antarctica-from-below/ar-BBEKnQy?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Like rats from a sinking ship.

 

That's just science, one discovery supersedes, enhances or replaces the last discovery, and it's a never ending process.

[Jacquie]

From the New York Times:

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U.S. Report Says Humans Cause Climate Change, Contradicting Top Trump Officials

By LISA FRIEDMAN and GLENN THRUSH NOV. 3, 2017

WASHINGTON — Directly contradicting much of the Trump administration’s position on climate change, 13 federal agencies unveiled an exhaustive scientific report on Friday that says humans are the dominant cause of the global temperature rise that has created the warmest period in the history of civilization.

Over the past 115 years global average temperatures have increased 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit, leading to record-breaking weather events and temperature extremes, the report says. The global, long-term warming trend is “unambiguous,” it says, and there is “no convincing alternative explanation” that anything other than humans — the cars we drive, the power plants we operate, the forests we destroy - are to blame.

The report was approved for release by the White House, but the findings come as the Trump administration is defending its climate change policies. The United Nations convenes its annual climate change conference next week in Bonn, Germany, and the American delegation is expected to face harsh criticism over President Trump’s decision to walk away from the 195-nation Paris climate accord and top administration officials’ stated doubts about the causes and impacts of a warming planet.

“This report has some very powerful, hard-hitting statements that are totally at odds with senior administration folks and at odds with their policies,” said Philip B. Duffy, president of the Woods Hole Research Center. “It begs the question, where are members of the administration getting their information from? They’re obviously not getting it from their own scientists.”

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Scientists said the report’s findings were clear.

“This new report simply confirms what we already knew. Human-caused climate change isn’t just a theory, it’s reality,” said Michael E. Mann, a professor of atmospheric science at Pennsylvania State University. “Whether we’re talking about unprecedented heat waves, increasingly destructive hurricanes, epic drought and inundation of our coastal cities, the impacts of climate change are no longer subtle. They are upon us. That’s the consensus of our best scientists, as laid bare by this latest report.”

The report says the Earth has set temperature highs for three years running, and 16 of the last 17 years are the warmest years on record for the globe. Weather catastrophes from floods to hurricanes to heat waves have cost the United States $1.1 trillion since 1980, and the report warns that such phenomena may become common.

“The frequency and intensity of extreme high temperature events are virtually certain to increase in the future as global temperature increases,” the report notes. “Extreme precipitation events will very likely continue to increase in frequency and intensity throughout most of the world.”

In the United States, the report finds that every part of the country has been touched by warming, from droughts in the Southeast to flooding in the Midwest to a worrying rise in air and ground temperatures in Alaska, and conditions will continue to worsen.

 

“This assessment concludes, based on extensive evidence, that it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the report states. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”

The findings, other researchers said, create an unusual situation in which the government’s policies are in direct opposition to the science it is producing.

“This profoundly affects our ability to be leaders in developing new technologies and understanding how to build successful communities and businesses in the 21^st century,” said Christopher Field, director of the Stanford Woods Institute for the Environment. “Choosing to be dumb about our relationship with the natural world is choosing to be behind the eight ball.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/climate/us-climate-report.html

[pigseye]

Hard to believe this didn't make the main stream media, but the Mann case should get more coverage especially if he has to concede he fudge his data,

https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-climatologist-dr-tim-ball-wins-epic-libel-court-battle/

 

 

 

[Mark F]

On 15/02/2018 at 12:36 PM, pigseye said:

Hard to believe this didn't make the main stream media, but the Mann case should get more coverage especially if he has to concede he fudge his data,

https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-climatologist-dr-tim-ball-wins-epic-libel-court-battle/

 

 

 

I guess you didn't read the Court Opinion linked in your own posted article.

Court opinion in Law suit by scientist weaver against (skeptic )Ball dismissed for reasons given at length in the Judges Opinion which can be read here:http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/sc/18/02/2018BCSC0205.htm

 

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Ultimately, on March 3, 2011, Dr. Ball issued the following apology:

"My article entitled “Corruption of Climate Change has Created 30 Lost Years” contained untrue statements about Dr. Andrew Weaver, who is a professor in the School of Earth and Ocean Sciences at the University of Victoria, British Columbia. The article has since been withdrawn from the Internet website of Canada Free Press, where it was originally published in January 2011.

I (Ball)  sincerely apologize to Dr. Weaver and express regret for the embarrassment and distress caused by my article.

 

 

 

 

More from the Court Opinion:
 

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[63]        While Dr. Ball presents his central thesis that climate science has been corrupted by politics, the Article offers little in the way of support for that thesis, apart from vague references to missing or falsified data and political manipulation, unsubstantiated and erroneous references to Dr. Weaver as referred to above, and a recommendation that people read a 45-year-old text on climate science written by Professor Hubert Lamb.

[64]        Overall, even as an opinion piece, the (Ball) Article presents as poorly written and it provides little in the way of credible support for Dr. Ball’s thesis.

 

 

 

According to Pigeye, this is a big win for the climate change is not man made theory.

much like him telling us that Mueller is a mere "Obama bag man" .

 

Edited March 22, 2018 by Mark F

[Mark F]

Even the f****ng oil companies can now admit the heating is caused by burning fossill fuels.

 

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An attorney for the Chevron oil company acknowledged in federal court that the company agreed with the scientific consensus showing humans are responsible for global warming.

Backing the IPCC

Chevron's (lawyer) Boutrous said the oil giant backs a 2013 report by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which concluded it was "extremely likely" that humans are contributing to global warming.

 

 

 

But what do they know right?

 

 

Edited March 22, 2018 by Mark F

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

On 2/15/2018 at 12:36 PM, pigseye said:

Hard to believe this didn't make the main stream media, but the Mann case should get more coverage especially if he has to concede he fudge his data,

https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-climatologist-dr-tim-ball-wins-epic-libel-court-battle/

 

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

I guess you didn't read the Court Opinion linked in your own posted article.

Court opinion in Law suit by scientist weaver against (skeptic )Ball dismissed for reasons given at length in the Judges Opinion which can be read here:http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/sc/18/02/2018BCSC0205.htm

 

More from the Court Opinion:
 

According to Pigeye, this is a big win for the climate change is not man made theory.

much like him telling us that Mueller is a mere "Obama bag man" .

 

Good stuff here MarkF!

 

I am very curious to hear Pig's explanation/rationale/excuse. 

[pigseye]

4 hours ago, Mark F said:

Even the f****ng oil companies can now admit the heating is caused by burning fossill fuels.

 

But what do they know right?

 

 

That's not entirely correct Mark. We can calculate, roughly, how much radiative forcing comes from a doubling of CO2 and how that might effect the energy balance of the plant. We still don't know what the actual effect of that extra energy will be, it might just all end up at the bottom of the ocean or aerosols in the atmosphere may completely negate any effect whatsoever, heck, we don't even know what role clouds actually play in the whole picture or cosmic rays or a thousand other climatic variables. Ask any climate scientist worth their salt they will tell you the picture is far from complete.

http://notrickszone.com/2018/03/22/200-non-hockey-stick-graphs-published-since-2017-invalidate-claims-of-unprecedented-global-scale-warming/#sthash.XKr6pqTD.dpbs

 

[Mark F]

3 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

I am very curious to hear Pig's explanation/rationale/excuse. 

and here it is.

 

52 minutes ago, pigseye said:

What are you rambling about?

Very illuminating. About the person that posted it.