Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 18, 2019 Author Report Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, pigseye said: I couldn't agree more, so let's stop insisting that the science is settled and calling people names (deniers, skeptics, warmists etc.) and get back to work on what matters, getting the science right. How do you define settled?
pigseye Posted January 18, 2019 Report Posted January 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: How do you define settled? You can look up the definition of settled on your own. To quote Michael Soussan of the UN 'truth isn't fact, it's consensus'.
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 18, 2019 Author Report Posted January 18, 2019 36 minutes ago, pigseye said: You can look up the definition of settled on your own. Why would I do that? Going by your post history, it would differ vastly from most agreed upon definitions. If you want to continue your "argument" you may want to shore up some of the semantics in your choice of words. 36 minutes ago, pigseye said: To quote Michael Soussan of the UN 'truth isn't fact, it's consensus'. Quote Scientific consensus is the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scientists in a particular field of study. Consensus implies general agreement, though not necessarily unanimity. Once you can understand that scientific consensus is not unanimity- you will understand evidence based research better. "Scientific literacy is an intellectual vaccine against the claims of charlatans who would exploit ignorance." -Neil deGrasse Tyson.
pigseye Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Why would I do that? Going by your post history, it would differ vastly from most agreed upon definitions. If you want to continue your "argument" you may want to shore up some of the semantics in your choice of words. Once you can understand that scientific consensus is not unanimity- you will understand evidence based research better. "Scientific literacy is an intellectual vaccine against the claims of charlatans who would exploit ignorance." -Neil deGrasse Tyson. close but you forgot the most important parts Scientific Consensus does NOT mean that: the position is definitive: the consensus can evolve with the results from further research and contrary opinions. Therefore, Scientific Consensus is NOT a synonym of "Certain Truth". Why are contrary opinions being shouted down when the very definition of consensus states that they are necessary for the science to evolve?
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 19, 2019 Author Report Posted January 19, 2019 58 minutes ago, pigseye said: Why are contrary opinions being shouted down when the very definition of consensus states that they are necessary for the science to evolve? I don't think you are cherry picking data points to evolve science- please stop, you are being disingenuous. JCon 1
pigseye Posted January 24, 2019 Report Posted January 24, 2019 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682618305030 No cherry picking here.
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 25, 2019 Author Report Posted January 25, 2019 6 hours ago, pigseye said: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682618305030 No cherry picking here. Damn brah... that there is some serious sciencin'. I am ******* convinced. Thank you for sharing that link to completely unravel that Global warming cabalist conspiracy that the Earth is warming... well duh it's the mother ******* sun... Not humans.... so dumb. I wish the liberal fake mainstream media would stop spreading their lies and lining the fat cat research scientists' pockets- ******* greedy 1% scientists.... with their lavishblifestyles and billion dollar mansions.... Goddamned illuminati builderburg shadow government fucks and their carbon tax to fund their humans to Gay frog/dog/human hybridization programs. Wideleft and blue_gold_84 1 1
Fatty Liver Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 On 2019-01-24 at 6:03 PM, wanna-b-fanboy said: Damn brah... that there is some serious sciencin'. I am ******* convinced. Thank you for sharing that link to completely unravel that Global warming cabalist conspiracy that the Earth is warming... well duh it's the mother ******* sun... Not humans.... so dumb. I wish the liberal fake mainstream media would stop spreading their lies and lining the fat cat research scientists' pockets- ******* greedy 1% scientists.... with their lavishblifestyles and billion dollar mansions.... Goddamned illuminati builderburg shadow government fucks and their carbon tax to fund their humans to Gay frog/dog/human hybridization programs. You forgot to blame da Suzuki man. Wanna-B-Fanboy, blue_gold_84 and Wideleft 1 2
Mark H. Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 On 2019-01-24 at 8:03 PM, wanna-b-fanboy said: Damn brah... that there is some serious sciencin'. I am ******* convinced. Thank you for sharing that link to completely unravel that Global warming cabalist conspiracy that the Earth is warming... well duh it's the mother ******* sun... Not humans.... so dumb. I wish the liberal fake mainstream media would stop spreading their lies and lining the fat cat research scientists' pockets- ******* greedy 1% scientists.... with their lavishblifestyles and billion dollar mansions.... Goddamned illuminati builderburg shadow government fucks and their carbon tax to fund their humans to Gay frog/dog/human hybridization programs. And don’t forget that the earth is flat. blue_gold_84 and Wanna-B-Fanboy 2
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 26, 2019 Author Report Posted January 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, Mark H. said: And don’t forget that the earth is flat. Don't EVEN get me started on those crazy libtards who peddle that "round earth" theory. ******* Luddites...
Mark H. Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 41 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Don't EVEN get me started on those crazy libtards who peddle that "round earth" theory. ******* Luddites... Sheep & shills - the lot of them.
Mark F Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said: You forgot to blame da Suzuki man. Suzuki has three big houses. Therefore climate change is not caused by burning fossil fuels. The old people aren't going to do anything. Looks like the kids are starting to take over on this. Quote My Message to Davos Elites: Act As If Our House Is on Fire. Because It Is. "Either we choose to go on as a civilization or we don't. That is as black or white as it gets. There are no grey areas when it comes to survival." by Greta Thunberg https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/01/25/my-message-davos-elites-act-if-our-house-fire-because-it Edited January 26, 2019 by Mark F
Mark H. Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 Who is going to step up and make the sacrifices? Hydrocarbons enable the lifestyle we currently take for granted. The agriculture industries are huge carbon users, through fuels, fertilizers and chemicals. If changes are made in the energy sector, food prices have no where to go but up. Meanwhile, I guess we can sit in our affluent surroundings, write articles and create memes.
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Posted January 28, 2019 On 2019-01-26 at 10:30 PM, Mark H. said: Meanwhile, I guess we can sit in our affluent surroundings, write articles and create memes. Or: - we can teach our children about waste, energy consumption, recycling and repurposing things. - Elect government officials that have a solution in mind and advocate a green shift. - Educate. Everyone. - control the things you can- swap out light bulbs, car pool, use automobiles more effectively. If you can afford a small wind turbine or solar cell, get them. - demand laws that enable a green shift- The CARB law in California (which was rolled back ) that required a percentage of new vehicles produced be carbon neutral. - a few well placed enterating Memes. Mark F and Wideleft 1 1
JCon Posted January 28, 2019 Report Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Or: - we can teach our children about waste, energy consumption, recycling and repurposing things. - Elect government officials that have a solution in mind and advocate a green shift. - Educate. Everyone. - control the things you can- swap out light bulbs, car pool, use automobiles more effectively. If you can afford a small wind turbine or solar cell, get them. - demand laws that enable a green shift- The CARB law in California (which was rolled back ) that required a percentage of new vehicles produced be carbon neutral. - a few well placed enterating Memes. Easier to just ignore science and pretend it isn't true. Science is for geeks anyhow. I don't see it, so it can't be true.
Mark F Posted January 28, 2019 Report Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) On 2019-01-26 at 8:30 PM, Mark H. said: Hydrocarbons enable the lifestyle we currently take for granted pretty hard for farmers to grow crops without a relatively stable climate. renewable energy is in the process of becoming the cheapest source of energy. It's already there in some places in the US, without subsidy.. like it or not, It's past time to move on from fossil fuels. Small country Denmark was an early adopter, and is the world leader in the wind turbine industry. many jobs for them. Let's be like them. Edited January 28, 2019 by Mark F Wanna-B-Fanboy and Wideleft 2
Mark H. Posted January 28, 2019 Report Posted January 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Or: - we can teach our children about waste, energy consumption, recycling and repurposing things. - Elect government officials that have a solution in mind and advocate a green shift. - Educate. Everyone. - control the things you can- swap out light bulbs, car pool, use automobiles more effectively. If you can afford a small wind turbine or solar cell, get them. - demand laws that enable a green shift- The CARB law in California (which was rolled back ) that required a percentage of new vehicles produced be carbon neutral. - a few well placed enterating Memes. The bottom line is living with less - which most of us suck at - badly. eg. Manitoba has more passenger vehicles than licensed drivers. We’re having fewer children but building larger houses. I don’t see any will to do the kind of work that would be required if farming were done with fewer hydrocarbons. Ask any vegetable or fruit grower who does their physical work. Teach children how to pull weeds, butcher chickens and gather potatoes - no one can be exempt from this kind of work. Recycling. The current solution is to ship it all to China, who turn it into products that keep our dollar stores full.
Mark H. Posted January 28, 2019 Report Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark F said: pretty hard for farmers to grow crops without a relatively stable climate. renewable energy is in the process of becoming the cheapest source of energy. It's already there in some places in the US, without subsidy.. like it or not, It's past time to move on from fossil fuels. Small country Denmark was an early adopter, and is the world leader in the wind turbine industry. many jobs for them. Let's be like them. Nitrogen fertilizer is an oil product - I didn’t know Denmark stopped using it. If you want those kinds of changes, be prepared for the sacrifices that come with them - it won’t be just farmers making sacrifices.
Mark H. Posted January 28, 2019 Report Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, JCon said: Easier to just ignore science and pretend it isn't true. Science is for geeks anyhow. I don't see it, so it can't be true. I’m not ignoring Science, I’m pointing the realities of these changes. JCon and Wanna-B-Fanboy 2
JCon Posted January 28, 2019 Report Posted January 28, 2019 Just now, Mark H. said: I’m not ignoring Science, I’m pointing the realities of these changes. I'm not suggesting you were. I'm looking for real solutions, just like you are. I'm only pointing out that the science is real and that we need to find ways to make pollution and uncontrolled consumption more costly, rather than downloading the problem to future generations. The polluters already have. Mark H. 1
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Posted January 28, 2019 42 minutes ago, Mark H. said: The bottom line is living with less - which most of us suck at - badly. eg.Manitoba has more passenger vehicles than licensed drivers. We’re having fewer children but building larger houses. I don’t see any will to do the kind of work that would be required if farming were done with fewer hydrocarbons. Ask any vegetable or fruit grower who does their physical work. Teach children how to pull weeds, butcher chickens and gather potatoes - no one can be exempt from this kind of work. Recycling. The current solution is to ship it all to China, who turn it into products that keep our dollar stores full. Agreed. We do need to cut back. and just to make changes as well. Manitoba cars for example- start a incentive program that cuts the difference in price between an electric car and a combustible engine one. We are ahead a step because most of our electricity here in Manitoba is renewable. Build greener houses. With government incentives as well or just start requiring new houses to be made more greener. Farming can be done while cutting back on hydrocarbons. There are plenty of viable alternatives to nitrogen fertilizers. Also, when breeding plants (and animals) - place more focus on nutrition density as well as on yield. Too much breeding has been to emphasis yield over nutrition density. All children should know about pulling weeds, butcher chickens and gather potatoes. We've created a disconnect with our food and where it comes from - we need to learn again how to feed ourselves. Well, perhaps create recycling station (that actually recycles) in each major city and do things in house. All the above requires education, money and political will... we don't have the final word on any of that- but we can start the conversation and steer it in the direction we want. Mark F 1
Mark F Posted January 28, 2019 Report Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) China has stopped taking our waste "recycled" materials. Stuff that's sent some other places for recycling, gets dumped in the ocean. solution..... stop using throwaway packaging products. RE farming, there's a report out today in The Lancet about how farming might have to change. Edited January 28, 2019 by Mark F
JCon Posted January 28, 2019 Report Posted January 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mark F said: China has stopped taking our waste "recycled" materials. Stuff that's sent some other places for recycling, gets dumped in the ocean. solution..... stop using throwaway packaging products. RE farming, there's a report out today in The Lancet about how farming might have to change. There are lots of things we can do to address our waste and I would start there. Incremental changes to farming are necessary and I hope they can be done without killing off the last of the family farms or affecting the supply chain. Ultimately, I think we're going to rely more on legumes for our diet in the future and meat will be produced in labs. It's not terribly appealing, I know, but we'll get over it. It's not about eliminating meat but reducing our reliance on it and the environmental impact.
Mark F Posted January 28, 2019 Report Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, JCon said: There are lots of things we can do to address our waste and I would start there. Incremental changes to farming are necessary and I hope they can be done without killing off the last of the family farms or affecting the supply chain. Ultimately, I think we're going to rely more on legumes for our diet in the future and meat will be produced in labs. It's not terribly appealing, I know, but we'll get over it. It's not about eliminating meat but reducing our reliance on it and the environmental impact. I agree with you. they are growing meat in labs for burger, which is according to some people, quite good. Also, in Asia, growing vegetables in factories. a lot of vegetables. JCon 1
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, JCon said: There are lots of things we can do to address our waste and I would start there. Incremental changes to farming are necessary and I hope they can be done without killing off the last of the family farms or affecting the supply chain. Ultimately, I think we're going to rely more on legumes for our diet in the future and meat will be produced in labs. It's not terribly appealing, I know, but we'll get over it. It's not about eliminating meat but reducing our reliance on it and the environmental impact. I think we will be looking at insects in the future as a potent source of protein.
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