The Environment Thread

[Mark F]

6 hours ago, JCon said:

I've seen models that suggest 15 waves, which would likely arrive at the peak of the tide. This is going to be devastating and cost millions (billions?) to fix.

 

But, we can't afford carbon pricing. Or any measures that might prevent O&G from being hugely profitable. 

billions. the rebuild, repair, permanent damage cost, is  another subsidy to oil and gas.

not even one year ago...

 

"Historic rain storms that unleashed flooding and debris slides across southern British Columbia in November have left governments, industry and individuals with staggering losses, adding up to what is likely to be Canada’s most costly natural disaster to date.

The price of recovering what was lost is nearing $9-billion, according to an analysis by The Globe and Mail, and potentially could be much higher."

insured... not ten percent of that. 

Globe and mail..."preventive measure"   ;     everything except stop drilling.

Alberta is going to be one huge stranded asset soon enough. think that provincei is ugly now?

This man, Seth Klein, has a plan for transition. 

video of his submission to parliamentary finance committee. he also has a book.

https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2?fk=11800388#info_

Edited September 23, 2022 by Mark F

[Mark F]

Fiona..... record set.

 

"Fiona made its first Canadian landfall between 3 and 4 a.m. EDT Saturday near tiny Hart Island, Nova Scotia, with a central pressure of 931.6 mb, according to the Canadian Hurricane Centre of Environment Canada. If confirmed, that value will smash the nation’s previous all-time record for central pressure in any storm, tropical or non-tropical: 940.2 mb, which was set at St. Anthony, Newfoundland, and Labrador, on January 20, 1977. Several other reports of pressures below 940 mb have been received, making it virtually certain that the record has been broken.

Not only would 931.6 mb be a record for Canada, it may be the lowest pressure ever observed in the eastern United States and Canada from any storm, tropical or non-tropical, north of the U.S. Gulf Coast. Such a value is more on par with what one might expect in a small but intense category 4 hurricane."

eye on the storm blog

 

The Phillipines about to be hit with a powerful typhoon. also, Ian.... florida.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Mark F

[Tracker]

6 hours ago, Mark F said:

Fiona..... record set.

 

"Fiona made its first Canadian landfall between 3 and 4 a.m. EDT Saturday near tiny Hart Island, Nova Scotia, with a central pressure of 931.6 mb, according to the Canadian Hurricane Centre of Environment Canada. If confirmed, that value will smash the nation’s previous all-time record for central pressure in any storm, tropical or non-tropical: 940.2 mb, which was set at St. Anthony, Newfoundland, and Labrador, on January 20, 1977. Several other reports of pressures below 940 mb have been received, making it virtually certain that the record has been broken.

Not only would 931.6 mb be a record for Canada, it may be the lowest pressure ever observed in the eastern United States and Canada from any storm, tropical or non-tropical, north of the U.S. Gulf Coast. Such a value is more on par with what one might expect in a small but intense category 4 hurricane."

eye on the storm blog

 

The Phillipines about to be hit with a powerful typhoon. also, Ian.... florida.

Most here know this already, but there is incontrovertible evidence that the warming oceans are supercharging storms, as was predicted. This will be ignored by the right-wingers and their adherents.

[Mark H.]

2 hours ago, Tracker said:

Most here know this already, but there is incontrovertible evidence that the warming oceans are supercharging storms, as was predicted. This will be ignored by the right-wingers and their adherents.

The left in Canada...started caring...less than 10 years ago. 

[Mark F]

https://www.hurricaneintel.com/post/powerful-hurricane-ian-a-worst-case-scenario-for-southwest-florida

Powerful Hurricane Ian a worst-case scenario for Southwest Florida

 

It’s fair to say that prominent parts of Southwest Florida from south of Fort Myers to north of Charlotte Harbor – about 50 miles of coastline – will be changed forever.

Gulf water will top most of the barrier islands destroying many or most structures. People left in the storm-surge zone may not survive. The surge will arrive this afternoon.

 

The hurricane is as bad as it can be. The winds are not yet Category 5, but the diameter of the storm has expanded, which is worse. The bigger donut of winds moves more water making storm surge higher. The slow forward progress of this storm will add to the height of the surge.

The forecast is for 12 to 16 feet of Gulf water above the normal HIGH tide level. This will push water over the islands and the coastline, into the harbors, and up the rivers and over their banks at deadly heights. The surge can go up to 10 miles inland, depending on the river.

A large part of Cape Coral and Fort Myers along the Caloosahatchee River are likely to go underwater.

High tide comes this afternoon about the time the surge will peak for some areas in the Greater Fort Myers area. This will add a couple feet to the surge. The tide is already extra high because we’re in King Tide season.

Over 2 feet of rain will likely fall in parts of Central and North Florida over the next couple of days as Ian slowly makes its way north."

 

it is category five now. 

devastation.

Edited September 28, 2022 by Mark F

[bustamente]

Parts of Western Florida have been swallowed up by the Gulf of Mexico.

[Mark F]

ft meyers

 

naples florida

 

 

Edited September 28, 2022 by Mark F

[Mark F]

house insurance Gulf coast 

 

"Yeah, same in Louisiana. We have three policies on our house. Wind and Hail, Homeowners and Flood. Never filed a claim in 20+ years. Current total for all three is around $8K per year. Next year's renewals on all three will probably be around $14K. House is only around 1800 SF. Seriously thinking it's about time to move."

eye on storm blog

shine might be coming off property values down there. 

Edited September 29, 2022 by Mark F

[JCon]

50 minutes ago, Mark F said:

house insurance Gulf coast 

 

"Yeah, same in Louisiana. We have three policies on our house. Wind and Hail, Homeowners and Flood. Never filed a claim in 20+ years. Current total for all three is around $8K per year. Next year's renewals on all three will probably be around $14K. House is only around 1800 SF. Seriously thinking it's about time to move."

eye on storm blog

shine might be coming off property values down there. 

wE aRe HuRtInG oUr EcOnOmY. 

[Mark F]

On 2022-09-29 at 6:18 AM, JCon said:

wE aRe HuRtInG oUr EcOnOmY. 

socialists and communists are taking over the government. !!!

down with communist Biden! yay Putin!

Where's my free government money to rebuild my house!!! that is not welfare! 

Soros Made this storm!

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Mark F

[Mark F]

Ian. this is going to be a expensive.

hundred billion maybe? saw one guess, more than that.

photos

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/26/weather/gallery/hurricane-ian/index.html

 

our economics is so stupid, this will be shown as an increase in gdp. 🤡

Edited September 30, 2022 by Mark F

[Mark H.]

15 hours ago, Mark F said:

our economics is so stupid, this will be shown as an increase in gdp. 🤡

Of course.  The big banks are licking their chops

It's the same thing with the war in Ukraine inflating grain prices

Of course we love the extra income, but what an awful way to get it

[Mark F]

hurricane ian

“From a long-range planning point of view, much of what we see today in southwest Florida should not be there,” said Tim Chapin, a professor of urban and regional planning at Florida State University.

“The result is a sort of a poorly planned, real-estate profit-oriented place from the beginning,” Chapin said. “When you put that together with a massive storm, you’re coming up with a place with a very low resilience score from the start.”

👀

"CoreLogic Inc., a real estate analytics firm, projected that 7.2 million homes in Florida — worth a combined $1.6 trillion — are at risk of being damaged by flash flooding."

can the librul eco nutz have been right? gosh!

lots of info

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/29/ian-ravaged-one-of-the-fastest-growing-areas-in-the-u-s-00059368

Edited October 2, 2022 by Mark F

[Wideleft]

In case you avoid the RIP thread:

https://passages.winnipegfreepress.com/passage-details/id-310987/BALL_TIMOTHY

 

"Tim spent the better part of his career trying to convince the world that 'Anthropogenic Global Warming' was a man-made hoax.
He fought lawsuits, death threats, website hackings, lies and attacks, too numerous to mention."

[Mark F]

most hopeful article I have read in a while.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/10/inflation-reduction-act-climate-economy/671659/

 

"The fight against climate change is going to change more in the next four years than it has in the past 40. The great story of our lives is just beginning. Welcome aboard."

 

about the impact of the Biden renewable energy  budget  laws recently passed, which has been kind of lost in the general insanity. (which maybe a good thing.)

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by Mark F

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Alaska has canceled snow crab season after a catastrophic population crash of the sizable crustaceans. https://nbcnews.to/3rYYiCx

[JCon]

Just now, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Alaska has canceled snow crab season after a catastrophic population crash of the sizable crustaceans. https://nbcnews.to/3rYYiCx

Won't someone think of the cheap reality TV!

[FrostyWinnipeg]

1 minute ago, JCon said:

Won't someone think of the cheap reality TV!

Won't someone think of Red Lobster!

 

Edited October 14, 2022 by FrostyWinnipeg

[Tracker]

12 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Alaska has canceled snow crab season after a catastrophic population crash of the sizable crustaceans. https://nbcnews.to/3rYYiCx

Fewer or even no crabs have been to male some people happy.

[blue_gold_84]

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/10/17/permafrost-emissions-must-be-factored-into-global-climate-targets-says-study/

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By the end of this century, permafrost in the rapidly warming Arctic will likely emit as much carbon dioxide and methane into the atmosphere as a large industrial nation, and over time potentially more than the United States has emitted since the start of the Industrial Revolution.

But that’s only one possible future for the vast stores of carbon locked in formerly perennially frozen but now-thawing ground in the Arctic. Using more than a decade of synthesis science and regional models, a new study published in Annual Review of Environment and Resources forecasts cumulative emissions from the permafrost regions through 2100 under low, medium and high warming scenarios.

“We hope that these forecasts of future Arctic carbon emissions not only update the scientific picture but act as new guide rails for policymakers who are working to stabilize the climate and avoid exceeding temperature targets,” said lead author Ted Schuur of Northern Arizona University.

The team estimates that under a low warming scenario—one that could be achieved if the global community limited warming to 2 degrees C or below by reducing fossil fuel emissions—permafrost would release 55 billion metric tons of greenhouse gases by the end of the century in the form of carbon dioxide and methane. If nothing is done to mitigate climate warming, the study estimates the Arctic could release 232 metric tons.

 

[blue_gold_84]

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/oct/19/next-pandemic-may-come-from-melting-glaciers-new-data-shows

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The next pandemic may come not from bats or birds but from matter in melting ice, according to new data.

Genetic analysis of soil and lake sediments from Lake Hazen, the largest high Arctic freshwater lake in the world, suggests the risk of viral spillover – where a virus infects a new host for the first time – may be higher close to melting glaciers.

The findings imply that as global temperatures rise owing to climate change, it becomes more likely that viruses and bacteria locked up in glaciers and permafrost could reawaken and infect local wildlife, particularly as their range also shifts closer to the poles.

For instance, in 2016 an outbreak of anthrax in northern Siberia that killed a child and infected at least seven other people was attributed to a heatwave that melted permafrost and exposed an infected reindeer carcass. Before this, the last outbreak in the region had been in 1941.

 

[Mark F]

massive flooding in  nigeria. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-63280518

drought in B.C is record setting.  record  high after record high, vancouver island.

vancouver island climate is becoming quite different.

cedars wont make it,some salmon spawning streams are dried up.

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Mark F

[Mark F]

it always pissed me  me off, over the last ten years or so to hear people, so called knowledgeable people, saying " what kind of world do we want to leave our children"

when it has been obvious for years that this is happening right now. the effects are being felt strongly, now.

gave people an excuse for doing nothing.

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Mark F

[WildPath]

10 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/oct/19/next-pandemic-may-come-from-melting-glaciers-new-data-shows

 

That's interesting because I would assume anything under permafrost is old virus or bacteria that people have already dealt with in the past. I read an excellent book on the immune system in the past year and it claimed that exposure to "old foes" helps keep the immune system in shape whereas novel infections are the most dangerous and the adage "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger" does not ring true.

The book identified how Amish and other people engaged in older styles of agriculture do not have the same problems with autoimmune diseases as groups involved in newer styles of agriculture. The point being that Amish children are frequently encountering "old foes" and their immune system works properly to defend them while other farmers (and people in general) don't really have the same activity in their immune system and this can cause the immune system to attack the body.

Perhaps I just misunderstood the book or it meant old foes in terms of decades/centuries, not millennia.

[blue_gold_84]

https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/un-warns-time-is-running-out-greenhouse-gases-surge-2022-10-26/

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LONDON, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Greenhouse gas concentrations climbed at above-average rates to new records last year, the U.N. weather agency said on Wednesday, warning that time is running out for people to make the transformational changes needed to cap global temperature rises.

The annual report by the World Meteorological Organization is the first of several released ahead of a U.N. climate summit next month in Egypt and aims to spur leaders into action.

Hikes in the atmospheric concentration of all three greenhouse gases - carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide - outstripped the average increase over the past decade, it showed, meaning they are now all at new record levels.

Concentrations of the main greenhouse gas carbon dioxide rose by 2.5 parts per million to 415.7 - a level not seen since at least 3 million years ago when the Earth was much warmer. The jump in the potent, heat-trapping gas methane was the highest since records began in 1983, the report said. Methane is the number 2 gas contributing to warming after carbon dioxide.