Goalie Posted October 17, 2019 Report Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: So you must really think nxt is unpopular then. Only an AEW fan boy would say that.. Yeah but they are outdrawing the developmental brand. Fact is... Niche markets. Pro wrestling will never sell on its own. Cruiserweights will not sell. AEW is decent, i enjoy it but its quite apparent ppl in the US are not tuning in. A 500 000 k plus drop in 3 weeks is not good. Edited October 17, 2019 by Goalie
Goalie Posted October 17, 2019 Report Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) I respect you TUP. U in the biz but being in the biz means u cant accept that pro wrestling isnt what sells to the masses.. If it did you'd be running Bell Centre and not Local bars or clubs.. Nawmean? AEW appears to be a spotfest at the moment. I enjoy them but in every match? Is the Dive the new armdrag? They all do it. I hope it improves but they need more than Jericho to make it happen. Hell even Mox isnt as huge as 48 yr old Jericho. Im not convinced Cody can get over stardust.. Hager will always be Shwagger.. They need a big star. Like Cena needs to have 1 match there. ECW in 2019. Its niche. Its unfortunate it is tho cuz as i said i like it. Edited October 17, 2019 by Goalie
The Unknown Poster Posted October 17, 2019 Report Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Goalie said: I respect you TUP. U in the biz but being in the biz means u cant accept that pro wrestling isnt what sells to the masses.. If it did you'd be running Bell Centre and not Local bars or clubs.. Nawmean? AEW appears to be a spotfest at the moment. I enjoy them but in every match? Is the Dive the new armdrag? They all do it. I hope it improves but they need more than Jericho to make it happen. Hell even Mox isnt as huge as 48 yr old Jericho. Im not convinced Cody can get over stardust.. Hager will always be Shwagger.. They need a big star. Like Cena needs to have 1 match there. ECW in 2019. Its niche. Its unfortunate it is tho cuz as i said i like it. While It’s true I never ran the Bell Centre I did run the IGAC. And Shaw Park. And numerous sell outs at bars. So I appreciate you’re point. I never said wrestling wasn’t niche. But locally is way different than nationally. you’re kinda preaching to the choir because I know wrestling is niche. As an aside, when wrestling is successful locally (which it has been more or less for a few years) it leads to more groups running which ends up hurting the local market (because it is a niche). That’s one thing I do know! But nationally, ratings are comparable to other entertainment Programming. Live events draw favourably to other events as well. M My reply was meant to point out that you’re sort of using AEW’s ratings as a way to make a blanket statement but they’re still drawing way more than wwe’s Wednesday show. The way wwe ratings have tanked over the last two years plus looking at TNA and ROH, a start up getting a million viewers a week and selling out arenas is a damn miracle. so if we were to do a deep dive into the numbers this early I can do that. Firstly TNT had said they’d be happy with 500,000 to start and grow from there. So a million is incredibly positive. on the flip side there is softness in the numbers because neither show was up against major competition. So the expectation would have been this week both would do better. AEW continues to draw a better 18-34 but lower 50+. That tells us that the old wcw crowd is long gone and likely not coming back. WWE being bad for so long has really killed the wrestling audience. The 50+ are the 30 year olds who watched the attitude era and didn’t leave (a lot did). long before AEW came along wwe numbers told us that they had to do something to begin creating new fans because you can’t survive on 50+ forever. AEW shows ya that there are still younger fans out there that just aren’t wwe fans. as for the quality of the show. I thought this week was their best show. I don’t think they’re overly spotty. I think that’s the new school style. And wwe does it too to a degree although much more formulaic. One thing seems clear, aew seems committed to the long haul of creating new stars while still having the best talent in the world (wwe has more depth though). there are things id change about the show (for example, starting faster which they did this week). But the people running it are smart people. As wrestling fans we should all be cheering for aew success. It’s been a blessing for the talent on both sides and created some great events.
SpeedFlex27 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) As a 50 + wrestling fan going back to the 60's in Winnipeg with the old AWA my perspective is this. I don't care about the next up & comers from NXT. I have no interest to watch developmental wrestlers. That was what the old independent wrestling circuits were for. For inexperienced wrestlers to develop their in ring & mic skills as well as their personalities before going to the WWE. And now AEW. I'll gladly watch AEW before watching NXT. Nice to see some old familiar faces on television again. What I hate about WWE is the way their wrestlers are still cartoon characters. Bray Wyatt is The Fiend & fans go nuts. The Viking Raiders are another. Two wrestlers dress up as Vikings & scream a lot while trying to look angry. I guess as a fan I'm supposed to get all fired up?? Hardly. Just 2 examples of how wrestling fans intelligence is insulted by making these wrestlers out to be fantasy characters. Have Wyatt & the Viking Raiders drop their costumes & just come out & dominate without the props to make it look believable. When I saw Wyatt as The Fiend, I just sighed & went this is still the same old Bray Wyatt with a slightly different shtick. He does great promos but sucks in the ring. His new character does nothing for me. Having Seth Rollins act terrified just made it worse. Why does Riccochet need a nickname? Just use a first & last name & let him go out there & do his thing which is phenomenal. What the **** does a name like Riccochet mean anyway? Shouldn't he be really called "The Man That Gravity Forgot?" now that Neville is no longer in the WWE as Riccochet is as much of a high flyer as Neville was. I hate these nicknames Vince gives to his wrestlers like it's still 1985 in his mind when Typhoon & Earthquake were Tag Team Champions. Times change & Vince needs to move on from Saturday morning cartoons. Aleister Black has joined Raw. His repertoire are kicks. Sorry, wrestlers that use kicks to the head no longer impress me. When Sean Micheals did it in the 90's it was something new & fresh but now it seems that 90% of wrestlers today use kicks in their repertoires so it no longer impresses the way Michaels did 20 years ago. Nothing like seeing a wrestler absorb 10 kicks to the head & continually kick out of the 1... 2... 3... count. He should be dead as his brains would be scrambled but instead remains surprisingly alive & even recovers to win the match. Fans chanting, "This is awesome!!" should really be chanting, "This is fake!!" because it is & it's ridiculous. As far as AEW goes, I just watched the first show. Not because I haven't wanted to but because I still have to get used to the new time & channel changes. I keep forgetting. But from what I saw, I was impressed. It didn't have that formulaic WWE feel to it with Vince's fingerprints all over it. I don't like Smackdown on Fridays as it interferes with CFL football. I refuse to PVR Smackdown. I have a feeling after the Grey Cup is over, I still won't watch it. Oh & speaking of the Smackdown War Room during the draft, seeing actors cheering & fist pumping along with the Fox automaton or whatever it's called was downright stupid to intelligent wrestling fans. It just makes me want to tune out wrestling permanently but I always come back. Mostly out of habit. Maybe I'm the stupid sucker. Edited October 17, 2019 by SpeedFlex27 The Unknown Poster 1
Brandon Posted October 18, 2019 Report Posted October 18, 2019 Great technical wrestling is only a part of what will work. I truly think they need to mimic ECW's TNN run. Need to mix it up with great wrestling, super edgy adult angles, and good comedy. More edgy then Attitude era. They used to score just over a 1.0 rating with zero budget and zero advertising. AEW could also stand to hire a few big guys. For casual fans the freakshows do attract. In the UFC they pay heavyweights a decent salary despite so many of them having a fraction of the talent that the little guys have.
The Unknown Poster Posted October 20, 2019 Report Posted October 20, 2019 On 2019-10-17 at 9:43 PM, Brandon said: Great technical wrestling is only a part of what will work. I truly think they need to mimic ECW's TNN run. Need to mix it up with great wrestling, super edgy adult angles, and good comedy. More edgy then Attitude era. They used to score just over a 1.0 rating with zero budget and zero advertising. AEW could also stand to hire a few big guys. For casual fans the freakshows do attract. In the UFC they pay heavyweights a decent salary despite so many of them having a fraction of the talent that the little guys have. I don’t disagree. They do have that big dude, Warlow I think his name is, coming Hagar is pretty big too. I think they’d be in on a few guys as their contracts expire (Harper wanted out, for example and surely they’d be in on Rusev). To me, the key guy in the next few years is Matt Riddle. He’s absolutely a game changer. If I’m AEW I offer him whatever it takes. I don’t know when his deal is up though. And WWE won’t let him go easily.
SpeedFlex27 Posted October 20, 2019 Report Posted October 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: SD down to 2.4 million. Friday night is not a great night.
The Unknown Poster Posted October 20, 2019 Report Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) Kenny defeated Fenix in Mexico to win the championship. Edited October 20, 2019 by The Unknown Poster
The Unknown Poster Posted October 20, 2019 Report Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Friday night is not a great night. Bigger issue I think is that wwe thought going on fox would create a new boom period when they haven’t done anything to make SD different or special. It’s the same old show. Edited October 20, 2019 by The Unknown Poster
SpeedFlex27 Posted October 20, 2019 Report Posted October 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Bigger issue I think is that wwe thought going on fox would create a new boom period when they haven’t done anything to make SD different or special. It’s the same old show. And except for brief periods here & there it's been inferior. That's why I don't watch it much anymore. The Unknown Poster 1
bigg jay Posted October 20, 2019 Report Posted October 20, 2019 48 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Looked like Fenix got a busted nose from a V Trigger late in the match. He was leaking pretty good but didn't seem to bother him. The Unknown Poster 1
bigg jay Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 10 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Interesting... not sure how well this will work for them with their current roster (2 years ago would have probably been the ideal time). It does sound like they are lowering expectations though by talking about growing their brand before moving into bigger venues. The Unknown Poster 1
ediger Posted October 23, 2019 Report Posted October 23, 2019 Crazy match tomorrow night at a pretty funky venue. Mentallo vs Super Crazy at the first WrestleMax show. The show is at the former Neon Factory space on Main St. As far as I know, there's no full-time business in there right now so it's basically a wrestling show in an empty building. You see a lot of punk shows like this in empty business or warehouses. Seems like they're going for that sort of thing. Should be fun! The Unknown Poster, JCon and bigg jay 3
The Unknown Poster Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 5 hours ago, ediger said: Crazy match tomorrow night at a pretty funky venue. Mentallo vs Super Crazy at the first WrestleMax show. The show is at the former Neon Factory space on Main St. As far as I know, there's no full-time business in there right now so it's basically a wrestling show in an empty building. You see a lot of punk shows like this in empty business or warehouses. Seems like they're going for that sort of thing. Should be fun! I was there tonight. Apparently it’s used for punk concerts and things of that nature. Very unique look. Much more in line with the underground “bar wrestling” idea than that other group. It’s quite small but will create a pretty cool atmosphere. Definitely worth checking out. bigg jay 1
The Unknown Poster Posted October 24, 2019 Report Posted October 24, 2019 Wednesday Night War numbers
The Unknown Poster Posted October 27, 2019 Report Posted October 27, 2019 He has many more tweets about this and the shirt has been pulled. Ballsy of him to do! He worked as ACH in ROH. Terrible design. Who thought of that?
ediger Posted October 27, 2019 Report Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) On 2019-10-24 at 3:40 PM, The Unknown Poster said: Wednesday Night War numbers The Canadian numbers are getting real interesting. Here's this past week: Smackdown: 125,800 viewers Raw: 169,800 AEW: 150,700 Raw was up against a Leafs game while AEW was up against the World Series. Doesn't take much for number in the 100,000s to be drastically affected by an opposing sports event so looking at numbers week to week doesn't give you a great picture, you'll need to look at trends. But the fact that AEW is that close to RAW in Canada and actually beat Smackdown, even once, that's surprising. I'm sure both TSN and AEW would love to use the "most watched wrestling show in Canada" line. Edited October 27, 2019 by ediger The Unknown Poster 1
SpeedFlex27 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Posted October 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, Brandon said: Lol at the shirt issue, really???? He just killed it. Not with his wrestling ability but his career in WWE. Maybe I'm clueless but I really had to look at that & say the shirt promotes blackface. I mean, after I was told why Myles hated the tee, I went... okay.... I think?? Really?? Certainly wasn't obvious to me.
bigg jay Posted October 27, 2019 Report Posted October 27, 2019 Nope, no similarities there at all... Whoever decided that was a good shirt to put out there, needs to give their head a shake. ediger and The Unknown Poster 2
Brandon Posted October 28, 2019 Report Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 🙄 Edited October 28, 2019 by Brandon The Unknown Poster 1
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