Wiecek Article: Pressure Mounts On And Off Field For MOS

[bearpants]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

lol this thread is going to make me drink today

 

1 hour ago, iso_55 said:

Twists & turns. Ups & downs.

The drama is riveting!

[iso_55]

1 hour ago, Atomic said:

Really?  I like it.  

March 29, 2016 - TBURGESS vs Mike Round 253:The Grudge Match with special appearances by Atomic, ISO_55 and a bunch of guys with Blue in their name

Don't drag me into this. I've deliberately kept quiet for months about the Bombers. It's not worth it.

[iso_55]

49 minutes ago, TrueBlue said:

So you want them to just step aside and let the returner score?  Neat.

If he has to tackle then fine. but going around looking to tackle, no. Too valuable.

[Mike]

2 minutes ago, iso_55 said:

Don't drag me into this. I've deliberately kept quiet for months about the Bombers. It's not worth it.

lol it's a joke, simmer down.

[Taynted_Fayth]

10 minutes ago, iso_55 said:

If he has to tackle then fine. but going around looking to tackle, no. Too valuable.

I kind of see it like being a pitcher in baseball,  your main assignment is one thing, but after it's done,  your taught to flip to defense, not just stand around - such as be ready to field a grounder/line drive/pop up and backing up a base for a long throw in (like home plate). I dont expect a kicker to be racking up the stats, cuz usually he's the last line of defense should a returner make it that far, but I'd expect him to be following along the play and contribute as much as he can after the kick.

Same way I'd expect a QB to try and tackle after an INT or fumble coming back his way.  Theres a risk of injury, but when isnt there in football

Edited March 29, 2016 by Taynted_Fayth

[iso_55]

I'd hate to see our clutch kicker go down for 6 weeks with an injury. I'll gladly give up a touchdown to keep Medlock from getting hurt.

 

 

Edited March 29, 2016 by iso_55

[iso_55]

1 hour ago, Mike said:

lol it's a joke, simmer down.

Obviously I'm scarred. Or is that scared? Maybe both.   

[IC Khari]

Edited March 29, 2016 by IC Khari

[iso_55]

Yeah that about covers it.

[Dragon37]

7 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

Mike has an opinion that he refuses to share, yet he calls me out on my opinion.

Like most folks around here, I watched the games and formed my opinions based on what I saw.  I didn't see a (m)any big plays by Waggoner. In fact he was pretty much invisible most of the time. I looked up his stats to see if anything stood out to change my opinion. Nothing did. 18 Games, 7 tackles. Nothing to see there. 

I stated my opinion in my very first post with Waggoner's name in it in this thread... "First Round Misses: Maybe Waggoner, but that's still TBD.". Strong opinion? Nope. 

Solid special teams player? Based on what? Lining up in a position that isn't a gunner? Simply being on the field? Your own observations that don't match mine?  FUUUUUCK is right.

 

Don't you know by now that Mike knows everything and is always right?

For the record, I wouldn't call Waggoner a "solid" ST player either. 

BTW regardless of the role of the player on the team all downfield players SHOULD be ready to tackle. As well, each player is responsible for a lane on the field. If the returner is in your lane he is in your responsibility.

With STs the players that are downfield first and making the bulk of the tackles are usually your most solid players. Heck those guys often make the tackle even when they have been beaten initially. 

I would say Waggoner is maybe average, considering we chose to give up a top pick for him I would lean to he is a bit of a wash. If you are going to give up your first round pick you damn well better do a bit better than a "L5" STer.

[Mike]

10 hours ago, Dragon37 said:

Don't you know by now that Mike knows everything and is always right?

It's ironic that you make that kind of ignorant comment, considering his problem is I didn't share an opinion and the reason I didn't is because I don't know enough to have one. All I was sharing in this thread were the facts. But carry on.

[IC Khari]

Unsubstantiated, unconfirmed, uncorroborated, unverified, unproven, unattested ... here's a good start, some should look these words up

 

[BigBlue]

If the punter/kicker is the last line of defense and does no more than wave his arms at the returner, then it is demoralizing and respect is lost ... going all out to make a saving play is expected of everyone .... anyone who doesn't is finished with the club ... getting injured or not isn't a realistic thought as the returner gets close

[Mike]

29 minutes ago, BigBlue said:

If the punter/kicker is the last line of defense and does no more than wave his arms at the returner, then it is demoralizing and respect is lost ... going all out to make a saving play is expected of everyone .... anyone who doesn't is finished with the club ... getting injured or not isn't a realistic thought as the returner gets close

This is very untrue.

A kicker not selling out to make a tackle might cost you 7 points. Losing your kicker for the rest of the game could cost you far more. Losing your kicker long term? Even worse.

If Medlock didn't sell out to make a tackle, I'm not going to be upset. Kickers wear next to nothing for equipment. They're basically 50/50 to get injured if they have to sell out for a tackle.

[BigBlue]

18 minutes ago, Mike said:

This is very untrue.

A kicker not selling out to make a tackle might cost you 7 points. Losing your kicker for the rest of the game could cost you far more. Losing your kicker long term? Even worse.

If Medlock didn't sell out to make a tackle, I'm not going to be upset. Kickers wear next to nothing for equipment. They're basically 50/50 to get injured if they have to sell out for a tackle.

Can you go into the locker room and smile after making a half hearted attempt to save a TD?

[Mike]

15 minutes ago, BigBlue said:

Can you go into the locker room and smile after making a half hearted attempt to save a TD?

I guess that really depends on what the coach has asked of you. Some coaches will simply demand their kickers don't go all out on those plays. Try and wrap up or knock the returner out of bounds, maybe trip him up if you can but you're not going to ask your kicker to full blown submarine himself at a returner in most cases.

[Jimmy Pop]

1 hour ago, IC Khari said:

Unsubstantiated, unconfirmed, uncorroborated, unverified, unproven, unattested ... here's a good start, some should look these words up

 

 

Edited March 30, 2016 by Jimmy Pop
pic, bad.

[MOBomberFan]

33 minutes ago, BigBlue said:

Can you go into the locker room and smile after making a half hearted attempt to save a TD?

Do you think Renaud was smiling in the locker room after tearing his ACL making a tackle?

[Bigblue204]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Pop said:

 

HA so perfect. Read that in his voice too!

[WBBFanWest]

2 hours ago, BigBlue said:

Can you go into the locker room and smile after making a half hearted attempt to save a TD?

Let's see, if the kicker is being asked to make the tackle, that means 11 professional football players, guys who are actually expected to do things like tackling, failed to do what they are being paid to do.  So I don't think anyone is going to look at the kicker and say anything, being that tackling isn't something that a specialist like him is being paid to do.  Lose 7 points in a game - manageable.  Lose a kicker for the season trying to save 7 points - beyond dumb (Grey Cup game notwithstanding).  Strategic thinking over tactical thinking.

[Atomic]

All I want to know is who let Dragon37 start posting here.  The person or persons responsible should be out of a job!!

[DR. CFL]

Athletes at the pro level are competitors. If they weren't they wouldn't have made to the level they have achieved. The belief that an athlete is going to deliberately whiff in the heat of a game might in itself not be realistic. The tendency is to react to a situation not necessarily go " let me think this through and plan an appropriate strategy based on the possible outcomes of my actions"

[Fatty Liver]

5 hours ago, WBBFanWest said:

Let's see, if the kicker is being asked to make the tackle, that means 11 professional football players, guys who are actually expected to do things like tackling, failed to do what they are being paid to do.  So I don't think anyone is going to look at the kicker and say anything, being that tackling isn't something that a specialist like him is being paid to do.  Lose 7 points in a game - manageable.  Lose a kicker for the season trying to save 7 points - beyond dumb (Grey Cup game notwithstanding).  Strategic thinking over tactical thinking.

Same goes for any QB with a last name that rhymes with silly.  Better to trot to the sideline immediately head hung in shame for throwing an intercept and leave the cleanup duties to the likes of Smith and Dressler. 

[WBBFanWest]

2 hours ago, DR. CFL said:

Athletes at the pro level are competitors. If they weren't they wouldn't have made to the level they have achieved. The belief that an athlete is going to deliberately whiff in the heat of a game might in itself not be realistic. The tendency is to react to a situation not necessarily go " let me think this through and plan an appropriate strategy based on the possible outcomes of my actions"

That's why they have coaches.  Here's a possible instruction that a coach might give to Medlock - "Justin, you aren't paid to tackle people, so unless he runs right into you, get the hell out of the way and stay there.  Got it?  Good. Oh and Drew, did you hear what I just told Justin?  That goes for you too.  Now neither of you will have to think this through and plan an appropriate strategy based on the possible outcomes of your actions."

[iso_55]

12 hours ago, Mike said:

This is very untrue.

A kicker not selling out to make a tackle might cost you 7 points. Losing your kicker for the rest of the game could cost you far more. Losing your kicker long term? Even worse.

If Medlock didn't sell out to make a tackle, I'm not going to be upset. Kickers wear next to nothing for equipment. They're basically 50/50 to get injured if they have to sell out for a tackle.

For once, Mike & I agree. I saw Noel Prefontaine get seriously injured once making a tackle. And Prefontaine was athletic for a kicker. Medlock looks like he's not that strong except for his kicking leg.

Edited March 31, 2016 by iso_55