First Ring of Honour member announced

[Jacquie]

  On 2016-06-08 at 2:05 AM, Noeller said:

Cameron is a CFL HOFer (the  only punter in there?), a Grey Cup MOC, and universally known as the greatest wind punter of all time. 

He's worthy. 

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He's the only player who was inducted strictly as a punter. There are other kickers in the HoF who did both punting and placekicking but it could be argued they were inducted more for their placekicking than punting.

[Fatty Liver]

  On 2016-06-09 at 11:26 PM, Rich said:

http://cfhof.ca/hof-player-details/?id=25

 

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I couldn't find any info. on it but didn't Cameron try out for the Bombers 3 times before making the team?  If so that's a big part of his story and his success.

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[Jacquie]

  On 2016-06-10 at 2:23 AM, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

I couldn't find any info. on it but didn't Cameron try out for the Bombers 3 times before making the team?  If so that's a big part of his story.

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From a Friesen article about Bob and Brett Cameron from back in 2013 although I don't think all of them were with the Bombers:

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It took nine tryouts before Bob Cameron was told he could stay.

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Edited June 10, 2016 by Jacquie

[Fatty Liver]

  On 2016-06-10 at 2:28 AM, Jacquie said:

From a Friesen article about Bob and Brett Cameron from back in 2013 although I don't think all of them were with the Bombers:

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Even better, maybe it was 9 tries in 3 years that I was dis-remembering.  That info. should be included on his Wiki page as it's says so much about his character and perseverance.

[iso_55]

 

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That 122 klm punt was at Mosaic Stadium when the wind caught it. Past the George Reed sign on Hwy #1.

[iso_55]

  On 2016-06-09 at 10:55 AM, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

I did not know this about Hanson.  Not to disparage his contributions but you can imagine the advantage an import RB would have playing in a league full of non-import defenders, now and probably more-so way-back when.  It would have been the equivalent of a Canuck playing hockey in a league full of Americans.

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How unfair is it to ignore that era? The 30's & 40's? These guys deserve their recognition. They didn't chose what era to play in. Their contributions should be recognized. You could say that Dieter Brock's passing numbers were against inferior players in the 70's so why recognize him as such a great player as the players today play in more complex systems, are bigger, stronger & faster as well.

[Fatty Liver]

  On 2016-06-10 at 2:51 AM, iso_55 said:

How unfair is it to ignore that era? The 30's & 40's? These guys deserve their recognition. They didn't chose what era to play in. Their contributions should be recognized. You could say that Dieter Brock's passing numbers were against inferior players in the 70's so why recognize him as such a great player as the players today play in more complex systems, are bigger, stronger & faster as well.

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I ain't arguing with you or disputing his contribution, just trying to imagine the context of the time.

[iso_55]

  On 2016-06-10 at 2:54 AM, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

I ain't arguing with you or disputing his contribution, just trying to imagine the context of the time.

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I understand. I just think if a player dominated in his era & Hanson definitely did he deserves along with Nicklin & others to be honoured as well. Look what the AZ Cardinal have done for Pat Tillman killed in Iraq in 2004.

[Jaxon]

I would argue that the players from older eras were better athletes to some extent than many of the players today.  The difference was that that they were all "athletes" and not so much "specialists".    Yes the top player today will have a faster 40 time, but many of the players from earlier generations played multiple positions.  

Ploen was a QB and a safety.   Gerry James  played CFL football in the Summer/Fall, and then played NHL hockey in the winter.   James played in the Grey Cup 6 times, winning 4 of them.  Football was a priority for him over hockey, because it payed better!  (my how times have changed).  He played in the Grey Cup and the Stanley Cup finals in the same season.  (won the Grey Cup, lost the Stanley Cup with the Leafs)

Roger Savoie played from '51 to '64 and played both ways, o-line and d-line.   He rarely came off the field, and won 4 Grey Cups. 

Both Savoie and James were local guys too (Savoie was born and raised here, James was born in Saskatchewan but moved here, and went to Kelvin High School.   He joined the Bombers right out of high school)

Smaller roster, different game, but players from that era were tough and talented.  I don't buy the argument that today's players are "better" athletes, they are just more specialized.  

[Rich]

This is why it is nearly impossible to compare players from different eras.  

How would players from back then do today if they were given the opportunity to train and coached like players are today.  

Vice versa for today's players playing back then. 

Best comparison IMO is to look at how much better they were than their peers at the time that they played. 

[Fatty Liver]

  On 2016-06-10 at 3:25 AM, Jaxon said:

I would argue that the players from older eras were better athletes to some extent than many of the players today.  The difference was that that they were all "athletes" and not so much "specialists".    Yes the top player today will have a faster 40 time, but many of the players from earlier generations played multiple positions.  

Ploen was a QB and a safety.   Gerry James  played CFL football in the Summer/Fall, and then played NHL hockey in the winter.   James played in the Grey Cup 6 times, winning 4 of them.  Football was a priority for him over hockey, because it payed better!  (my how times have changed).  He played in the Grey Cup and the Stanley Cup finals in the same season.  (won the Grey Cup, lost the Stanley Cup with the Leafs)

Roger Savoie played from '51 to '64 and played both ways, o-line and d-line.   He rarely came off the field, and won 4 Grey Cups. 

Both Savoie and James were local guys too (Savoie was born and raised here, James was born in Saskatchewan but moved here, and went to Kelvin High School.   He joined the Bombers right out of high school)

Smaller roster, different game, but players from that era were tough and talented.  I don't buy the argument that today's players are "better" athletes, they are just more specialized.  

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I can't really agree with this concept.  Today's athletes would be virtual supermen if transported back in time due to the science of physical fitness, nutrition and modern training regimes.  Size, strength, speed have all increased dramatically and I'm pretty sure skill has as well through performance analysis.  The reason a player could play both sides of the ball in the old days was because many of his competitors were doing the same and were equally exhausted.  I'll give them one advantage though, those old buggers were way tougher.

 

[iso_55]

  On 2016-06-10 at 3:30 AM, Rich said:

This is why it is nearly impossible to compare players from different eras.  

How would players from back then do today if they were given the opportunity to train and coached like players are today.  

Vice versa for today's players playing back then. 

Best comparison IMO is to look at how much better they were than their peers at the time that they played. 

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That's why guys like Fritzy Hanson deserve to be honoured.

[17to85]

  On 2016-06-10 at 2:39 AM, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Even better, maybe it was 9 tries in 3 years that I was dis-remembering.  That info. should be included on his Wiki page as it's says so much about his character and perseverance.

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it wasn't 9 tryouts with the Bombers though, just that he went to 9 different places before he found one that stuck. If you watch the CFL traditions thing they put out several years back he lists everywhere he got cut. Start at about 3:40 of this clip

 

[do or die]

It's about performance.....every era had its outstanding performers, who should be recognized as such.......

[iso_55]

Yes, every era... who cares about today... should be honoured.

[Tracker]

  On 2016-06-10 at 5:48 AM, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

I can't really agree with this concept.  Today's athletes would be virtual supermen if transported back in time due to the science of physical fitness, nutrition and modern training regimes.  Size, strength, speed have all increased dramatically and I'm pretty sure skill has as well through performance analysis.  The reason a player could play both sides of the ball in the old days was because many of his competitors were doing the same and were equally exhausted.  I'll give them one advantage though, those old buggers were way tougher.

 

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Plus: better living through chemistry.